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Spitz had assumed that Dr. Jan Garavaglia, the
medical examiner, would follow standard protocol and
open the skull, so he did not bring a saw.
“Do you have a saw?” Spitz asked the funeral
director. “I need a saw. Any saw.”
The director returned with a rusty old saw.
Spitz sawed and sawed, and after about a half an
hour, he gave up.
“This saw doesn’t cut,” he said.
“We’re going to have to buy a saw,” I said. The
only store open at three in the morning was Walmart.
“Come on, Pat,” I said to our investigator, Pat
McKenna.
When we entered the Walmart, the place was
virtually empty. There were only a handful of
employees. This was perfect. I figured we’d be able to
get in and out quickly without anyone noticing us.
(Media interest in the case grew exponentially after
Caylee’s body was found.)
McKenna and I split up in our search for a saw,
and just as I began my search, a bus from a home for
the mentally challenged dropped off its passengers so
they could shop with the least amount of hassle. I’m
looking for the saw, and one of the ladies from the bus
(she had Down’s syndrome) saw me and began
shouting, “Baez, Baez, Baez.” She followed me
throughout the store, pointing at me and yelling, “Baez,
Baez, Baez.”
McKenna found a saw, and I yelled to him, “Let’s
get out of here.” We trotted to the checkout counter
and noticed the tabloid magazines, each featuring a
horrible story about Casey. One story trumpeted,
“Casey Anthony’s Drunken Party.”
Another
proclaimed, “Secrets and Lies,” and yet a third featured
a story headlined, “Caylee’s Mom Did It: She Fed
Tragic Tot to Alligators.” I was looking at all these
headlines, while waiting to pay $4.99 for a saw to cut
open Caylee’s skull, when the woman with Down’s
syndrome found me and again began yelling, “Baez,
Baez, Baez.”
It was surreal. I couldn’t believe why I was there
and what was happening. We paid and hurried out the
door.

And the above underlined article ran June 8 2011, during trial....once again in GLOBE Magazine...

So tell me again Baez.....Walmart was displaying a GLOBE magazine from August of 2008 at the checkout stand next to an issue of GLOBE magazine from June 2011.....

So tell me again why a saw was needed in June 2011 again???:banghead

I am starting to think you ain't be JoseBeGood anymore....:floorlaugh:
 
It is Florida, after all.


I still think its BS that a bus full of mentally handicaped people were dropped off at walmart at 3 am.. to shop..
I mean COME ON.. that just dont make any sense
 
It is Florida, after all.

What Walmart do you know of that would be empty at 3am on the last shopping day of the Christmas season? That right there blows Jose's story out of the water. Walmart would be packed!
 
I want to know what home in their right mind would take them to Walmart on the last shopping day of Christmas season? Why didn't they let them do their shopping earlier? Why wait until one of the busiest nights of the year?
 
I was over at Amazon earlier, admiring the good work of the WS warriors and reading reviews and comments and taking note of how many found what reviews useful, how many reviews were not thought by customers to be useful to this discussion etc., and I was suddenly struck down with the most terrible giggles, I laughed and laughed and had tears running down my cheeks.

It was the review by Ron Manta "sparker" and the subsequent scornful, efficient comments that did me in. I'd read them all before but the sheer ludicrousness of his claims and the unflinching refusal of people to go along with his nonsense were suddenly too much for me. It was cathartic. I'm lolling again as I write this. No one who isn't a fake reviewer's mind has been changed by this incoherent, inconsistent, incongruent trash.

JB has done his former client a great disservice by reminding the public of her lies and her heartlessness just before her probation finishes. There Will Be *Fisties*.
 
His logic gets better...towards the end of the book. He actually says that had the prosecution not focused on the 31 days, the defense would have had no defense. But because they focused on the 31 days, the defense had to explain the 31 days...and voila, what they came up with to explain her bizarre behavior was ...you got it...molestation by her father. They they went backwards and fit the "evidence" presented by the prosecution, witness statements, jailhouse tapes, etc. and formed their defense. In essence, he is saying "thank yuo State of Florida for bringing up her crazy behavior...you won our case for us"

:banghead:

NO DEFENSE?!?! So in essence, he is saying she was guilty.
 
I want to know what home in their right mind would take them to Walmart on the last shopping day of Christmas season? Why didn't they let them do their shopping earlier? Why wait until one of the busiest nights of the year?

It's a book of fiction, right? Who in their right mind would ever believe KC????? jmo
 
so in florida its normal to drop of a bus load of mentally handicapped people off to shop at walmart at 3 am?

Is it possible he was mistaken and it was actually a group of prospective jurors catching up on some last-minute shopping before court started for the day?
 
FYI - Just checking out Jose's book on Amazon.ca. It is ranked #544 on Amazon's best seller list and there are two five star reviews - both who have wandered over from the review list at amazon.com:maddening: :maddening:

Although I am able on .com to grade comments, I have never bought a book from Amazon, so it won't let me comment - even though they have my credit card information. :banghead:

So....if anyone feels like doing a review on amazon.ca - well then, wander on over and let's do something about those two five stars...which I believe are identical to the ones posted on amazon.com
:banghead: :banghead:

I have never bought from Amazon.ca and don't have an account, but if we have a Canadian member who wants to copy and paste my review there - feel free to do it!

By
A_News_Junkie
Judge Stan Strickland said, "The truth and Ms. Anthony are strangers." Truer words were indeed never spoken! After reading this book, I believe the truth and Mr. Baez are strangers too. (copied it for you below)

Baez's own opening statement was filled with lies that this book does not address. So, if you think this book will back up statements that he failed to prove at trial - I am sorry to tell you, you will be sorely disappointed. His words at trial were: "You'll see evidence, conclusive evidence, that he[George Anthony] took steps to throw his own daughter under the bus just to protect himself"

Oh, and lest we forget - His opening statement he accused Mr. Kronk of finding Caylee's body and moving it.
"Mr. Kronk is a morally bankrupt individual who actually took Caylee's body and hid her." Again, not proven in court or the book.

I could go on, but will instead spare you and focus on a few abominations and atrocities from the book.

Baez regurgitates a tale allegedly told by KC, about the 'abuse' she allegedly endured from her father. The disgusting details include KC's nickname for her father's anatomy as 'baldy' and a vile analogy of petting a mouse till the mouse sneezed milk. Baez surely realizes that this lurid tale and storyline were lifted from the TV comedy South Park. If not, he is at least guilty of not doing his research.

With childish glee, Baez recounts how the 'team' came up with the nickname "rat hands" for Mr. Ashton. Given the above "sneezing mouse" analogy, how could this be funny to any professional attorney who in fact believed his client's far-fetched story of the childhood abuse? DISGUSTING at best.

Another example that Baez's credibility is nonexistent: He claims he had a good flow of income prior to this case. And yet his house was in foreclosure. So is that a lie by omission or just spin for his own ego and to try to charm the readers? The truth and Baez are strangers, indeed!

He spins the reader with an abundance of useless information in order to avoid the real questions at hand and to divert the thoughts of the reader from the truth. Baez in court and in this book, tries to discredit Gerus and Bones, the cadaver dogs who alerted in the Anthony family back yard. Why, if Caylee drowned in the pool would logic not tell you that 'whomever' found her, would have pulled her out and laid her on the ground at least briefly to see if she could be revived, etc?

Other Questions not answered in this book:

[1] Why did he (and his client and her family) beg the media, the public and TES (Texas EquuSearch) to search for a MISSING child, who was never missing?
[2] If as he claims, he learned of "the drowning" in early 2009, why doesn't he convey to the reader any remorse for holding this tidbit of truth till trial?
[3] Why did he allow his client to sit in isolation in jail for 3 years, facing the death penalty if Caylee's death was an 'accidental drowning' or 'murder done by another'?
[4] Why does he not disclose how Caylee ended up in the woods?

Baez said over and over, and over again in his opening statement, that "Something's not right here." That might have been the ONLY true statement he made that day. Now, having read this drivel filled book, I say to Jose Baez, "Yes, something is NOT RIGHT HERE." You are attempting to use your involvement in this debacle of justice to line your own wallet, and to hell with ethics since they don't pay. You labeled Mr. Kronk "morally bankrupt" in the eyes of the whole world. You claim in your book that prosecutor Jeff Ashton is "mentally disturbed." I think you would be well served to turn the mirror around toward yourself and take a close hard look. And calling a fellow officer of the court, "Tourette's Boy" and thinking it is funny ----> Yeppers, something is definitely NOT right here, Mr. Baez.

Baez includes meaningless and downright perplexing information in his book, such as he took 'refuge in his walk-in closet' when he was depressed. (Well something tells me, Mr. Baez is in his closet today.) In his own ego driven, nefarious way, Baez insults the informed reader with this 'I am the victim' stuff. He claims in his book that it is because his ex-wife "lied" about him not paying child support that it took the bar 8 years to admit him. Yet, as he always seemed to do, he forgot how he said in another part of the book that the FL bar didn't admit him for "no good reason." But, who cares-- what does that have to do with the case? Or is this again, garbage to divert attention from the subject at hand? It sounded a lot like his opening statement, describing KC as a 'victim of abuse' and 'a victim of her dysfunctional family', and the excuses he used to explain KC's horribly bizarre behavior and lies to law enforcement etc. Kinda frightening, how everyone is a victim in Jose's world, except the real victim, CAYLEE MARIE ANTHONY.

Baez spends energy in the book to slam the media for the circus surrounding the case, but he fails to mention HE invited them into it and USED them for his agenda, just as he is doing now to promote this book of his. Not to mention he helped his client sell photos of her beautiful daughter to the very media he claims to despise (yet still uses)....the same media he used to fund her defense and line his own greedy pockets with blood money. This book is a disgrace and should have never been published. Save your money and donate to a deserving organization please.

Baez admitted in open court that KC was a liar and even said, 'she is not right in the head.' In the book he says she is "unstable" and has "serious mental health issues."............. now comes a book where the main backbone of the book is from the mouth of a liar according to Mr. Baez himself. Yet, ready for this? He writes in the book that detectives "should have stopped and realized, "Wait a minute, we're not dealing with someone who is playing with a full deck." BOMBSHELL TONIGHT -- Mr. Baez, shame on you for profiting off Caylee's death and KC's lies.

In closing, I am reminded of some notable quotes from the case:

"The irony is rich, indeed." The Honorable Judge Stan Strickland, quoted by esteemed Prosecutor Linda Drane-Burdick

"The most well-documented liar ever seen in a courtroom." [Speaking of KC] Prosecutor Linda Drane-Burdick
 
That story is just another example of his warped sense of humor. He wants his (small handful of) readers to laugh at the image of a woman with Down's Syndrome pursuing him, the suave, brilliant, mighty attorney all over the store. I don't believe a word of it. He is very unpleasant and thinks he and his vile client are a cut above everyone else.
 
Not only does chloroform come up, but it also says in order to use it you need to put it on a rag and then "tape" it across your nose and mouth.

Yeah i saw that.. I couldnt bring myself to type it tho.

Well. May I remind everyone that the three pieces of tape from Caylee's skull had black wool fibers on them. No similar fibers found on anything else except Mama Doll. FYI something wool taped to Caylee's face would have disintegrated long before the body was found (natural fiber). And a wool cloth being taped on her face would explain the need for multiple long pieces of tape in slightly different directions to hold the cloth on.
 
I was over at Amazon earlier, admiring the good work of the WS warriors and reading reviews and comments and taking note of how many found what reviews useful, how many reviews were not thought by customers to be useful to this discussion etc., and I was suddenly struck down with the most terrible giggles, I laughed and laughed and had tears running down my cheeks.

It was the review by Ron Manta "sparker" and the subsequent scornful, efficient comments that did me in. I'd read them all before but the sheer ludicrousness of his claims and the unflinching refusal of people to go along with his nonsense were suddenly too much for me. It was cathartic. I'm lolling again as I write this. No one who isn't a fake reviewer's mind has been changed by this incoherent, inconsistent, incongruent trash.

JB has done his former client a great disservice by reminding the public of her lies and her heartlessness just before her probation finishes. There Will Be *Fisties*.

It seems Ron Manta is another name for .................. wait for it ........
BAEZ! He was tracked via his Amazon account.
Richard Hornsby was right, Baez is a moron.
 
Jose spent a grand total of 4.99 on the saw they used.

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I can only say Dr. Spitz has seen his day. Surgical tools are precision made and very costly. I find it hard to believe the story of the saw. A physican with mental faculties in place would NEVER try it. :what:
 
It seems Ron Manta is another name for .................. wait for it ........
BAEZ! He was tracked via his Amazon account.
Richard Hornsby was right, Baez is a moron.

That's why I laughed so hard; there is Ron Manta lauding JB for his great intelligence and immediately below he is outed by someone who has easily worked out that Ron Manta links to JB's wish list. It is so funny and absurd! And gets funnier with each reading!
 
Once again I call BULL***** on his "story".....but this time with PROOF!!

Baez is claiming that while on a search for a saw in Walmart, AFTER CAYLEE REMAINS FOUND, that he saw the above underlined tabloid...

Problem is....the article with THAT particular title ran in the Globe WEEKLY tabloid shortly after Caylee's disappearance (an Aug issue)

Actual article is no longer available, but look at the posting under the linked article below...and notice the DATE the poster made post referring to tabloid article...SEPTEMBER 2008!

They hadn't even found Caylee yet....

http://www.globemagazine.com/story/226

on Sep 12, 2008

The headlines read Caylee's Mom did it!'she fed tragic tot to ALLIGATORS'I would have to disagree on the tragic tot...Caylee wasn't tragic,her life was. Caylee was beautifl and her 'mom' could not stand the competition, IMO.


I hope you dont mind.. but im using the info you sleuthed here to have a little chat with a Beaz lover over on amazon lol
 
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