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Cindy messed up herself and confessed to who sent out D. Casey. She told folks that SHE had her people go out and check those woods. D. Casey lied when he said that a phone call tip from a psychic told him to go there, unless of course Cindy claims to be a psychic now as well.

If Cindy truly loved Caylee would she have waited as long as she did before she finally tracked Casey down to find out what was going on? Cindy knew darn well that Casey had no job, NONE of Caylee's clothes were missing from the house, there was NO nanny, Casey NEVER bought things for Caylee herself......so just how in the world did Cindy think that Casey was taking care of Caylee? The only thing that made Cindy stand up and take notice was when the car was recovered (in Cindy and George's name) that had the smell of decomposition in it. Cindy was not only covering Casey's arse but her own.

MOO


That's not what the emails between Dom and the psychic said. But I don't want to make a big deal about the fact we don't agree.
PS: how can you even believe what CA says - she was such a belligerent windbag!!!
 
:what: What is a "short sale" in the States?

..)

With the economy today, many home owners are having trouble making their mortgage. Unfortunately, many of those same people owe more than the house is worth. They can't sell it to get out from under the mortgage. The bank doesn't really want to foreclose, they already have too many homes from that and they
Can't sell them. Many times, the bank will agree to accept a lower amount than what is owed, knowing that less is better than none. This is a short sale.
 
A little bit of background here and why I am so hard on Cindy Anthony. I know that there are some websleuthers that know some of my story from during the trial in the chat room.

My mother is alot like Cindy and Casey Anthony. My mother (who's name also happens to be Cindy) uses everyone, including me-her own daughter. She is never wrong, even when the evidence is in front of her to prove that she is wrong. Nothing is ever her fault. She cheated numerous times on not only my father but her two husbands after him. Instead of admitting that she cheated, when caught, she said she was raped. She is/was in constant competition with me and every other woman that she knows. I had my first daughter when I was 25. As I sat in the hospital room the day after I delivered my daughter, she told me she was trying to get pregnant and wouldn't that be so cool. Instead she and husband number 3 adopted a little baby girl that was exactly 3 months older than my older daughter. When I became pregnant again at 30, she tried to adopt again but was turned down because of health issues. She has gone to therapy for many, many years. During one session she apparently told her therapist that I hated her because I didn't have a mother growing up. She said that I was in a bad relationship and that she felt it was her fault. The therapist called me and asked me to come in for a joint session with my mother, then I was told what all she had been claiming about me. The kicker of it all? I DID have a mom growing up, my wonderful step-mom who had been in my life since I was 6 years old. I DID have a wonderful relationship with my husband (still do) and we are very happy. I DO hate my mother but not because of her not being there, that was MY choice to break away from her. I hate my mother because I know what she is, the type of person that she is, the type of mother that she is. I know that she was NOT raised that way but something happened. She even had the nerve to accuse my grandfather (my dad's dad) of sexual abuse. This was after she found out from my grandmother that my aunt's husband tried things with me. She never said anything to me before that time, or my grandmother, or her therapist, or my father, or anyone else. She made it up so that she had a "similar" story that we could "bond" over.

So yes, I see Cindy Anthony much different than some people do. I can see the manipulation, the lies, the wheels turning in her head. I can see her thinking "What will make me look better?" I see all of that, but I do NOT see a victim.

Sorry for the rant, just trying to explain why I see Cindy the way I do.
 
With the economy today, many home owners are having trouble making their mortgage. Unfortunately, many of those same people owe more than the house is worth. They can't sell it to get out from under the mortgage. The bank doesn't really want to foreclose, they already have too many homes from that and they
Can't sell them. Many times, the bank will agree to accept a lower amount than what is owed, knowing that less is better than none. This is a short sale.

Yes, I know many many homeowners in the States are having a very hard time hanging on to their homes due to the economy. It is so sad.
But I couldn't "get" how this was happening to Baez, what with his success - self publishing, new pocket squares and all...
 
A little bit of background here and why I am so hard on Cindy Anthony. I know that there are some websleuthers that know some of my story from during the trial in the chat room.

My mother is alot like Cindy and Casey Anthony. My mother (who's name also happens to be Cindy) uses everyone, including me-her own daughter. She is never wrong, even when the evidence is in front of her to prove that she is wrong. Nothing is ever her fault. She cheated numerous times on not only my father but her two husbands after him. Instead of admitting that she cheated, when caught, she said she was raped. She is/was in constant competition with me and every other woman that she knows. I had my first daughter when I was 25. As I sat in the hospital room the day after I delivered my daughter, she told me she was trying to get pregnant and wouldn't that be so cool. Instead she and husband number 3 adopted a little baby girl that was exactly 3 months older than my older daughter. When I became pregnant again at 30, she tried to adopt again but was turned down because of health issues. She has gone to therapy for many, many years. During one session she apparently told her therapist that I hated her because I didn't have a mother growing up. She said that I was in a bad relationship and that she felt it was her fault. The therapist called me and asked me to come in for a joint session with my mother, then I was told what all she had been claiming about me. The kicker of it all? I DID have a mom growing up, my wonderful step-mom who had been in my life since I was 6 years old. I DID have a wonderful relationship with my husband (still do) and we are very happy. I DO hate my mother but not because of her not being there, that was MY choice to break away from her. I hate my mother because I know what she is, the type of person that she is, the type of mother that she is. I know that she was NOT raised that way but something happened. She even had the nerve to accuse my grandfather (my dad's dad) of sexual abuse. This was after she found out from my grandmother that my aunt's husband tried things with me. She never said anything to me before that time, or my grandmother, or her therapist, or my father, or anyone else. She made it up so that she had a "similar" story that we could "bond" over.

So yes, I see Cindy Anthony much different than some people do. I can see the manipulation, the lies, the wheels turning in her head. I can see her thinking "What will make me look better?" I see all of that, but I do NOT see a victim.

Sorry for the rant, just trying to explain why I see Cindy the way I do.

Got it - Thank You.
Almost makes me glad mine abandoned me when I was six if that's what they are like.
 
A little bit of background here and why I am so hard on Cindy Anthony. I know that there are some websleuthers that know some of my story from during the trial in the chat room.

My mother is alot like Cindy and Casey Anthony. My mother (who's name also happens to be Cindy) uses everyone, including me-her own daughter. She is never wrong, even when the evidence is in front of her to prove that she is wrong. Nothing is ever her fault. She cheated numerous times on not only my father but her two husbands after him. Instead of admitting that she cheated, when caught, she said she was raped. She is/was in constant competition with me and every other woman that she knows. I had my first daughter when I was 25. As I sat in the hospital room the day after I delivered my daughter, she told me she was trying to get pregnant and wouldn't that be so cool. Instead she and husband number 3 adopted a little baby girl that was exactly 3 months older than my older daughter. When I became pregnant again at 30, she tried to adopt again but was turned down because of health issues. She has gone to therapy for many, many years. During one session she apparently told her therapist that I hated her because I didn't have a mother growing up. She said that I was in a bad relationship and that she felt it was her fault. The therapist called me and asked me to come in for a joint session with my mother, then I was told what all she had been claiming about me. The kicker of it all? I DID have a mom growing up, my wonderful step-mom who had been in my life since I was 6 years old. I DID have a wonderful relationship with my husband (still do) and we are very happy. I DO hate my mother but not because of her not being there, that was MY choice to break away from her. I hate my mother because I know what she is, the type of person that she is, the type of mother that she is. I know that she was NOT raised that way but something happened. She even had the nerve to accuse my grandfather (my dad's dad) of sexual abuse. This was after she found out from my grandmother that my aunt's husband tried things with me. She never said anything to me before that time, or my grandmother, or her therapist, or my father, or anyone else. She made it up so that she had a "similar" story that we could "bond" over.

So yes, I see Cindy Anthony much different than some people do. I can see the manipulation, the lies, the wheels turning in her head. I can see her thinking "What will make me look better?" I see all of that, but I do NOT see a victim.

Sorry for the rant, just trying to explain why I see Cindy the way I do.

Thanks for that. I know it is hard to go into detail about such personal things. You are right that it does say a lot about why you see Cindy the way you do.

I have a really ugly specimen for a mother, too. Maybe I even hate her sometimes. And I guess that could be why it was so easy for me to spot what could have been Casey's motive to murder her baby. Not everyone will be driven to such drastic methods of revenge, thank God, but some are.

All I have to do is think back to how many times I wanted revenge and it's just a no-brainer for me to see the rage in Casey's heart, rage that fermented over a dozen or so years, until finally she lashed out in a most malicious manner. IMO, Casey was lashing at Cindy; Caylee was a victim of a feud that started before she was ever born.
 
It is very interesting and touching for me to read these from the heart stories of mothers.
I, who grew up as a motherless child look at the situation in a whole different way. In many ways I have "set the burden down" with my mother who was a very self centered woman who had children to please her husband only. When he died, we were no longer of value to her.
So I look at the situation of Cindy and FCA in a far different way. I did a post a couple of pages back of what I think was going on. I see it much differently and just as catastrophic as others do, but just different. Not to say I am right - it is only IMO.
 
Yes, I know many many homeowners in the States are having a very hard time hanging on to their homes due to the economy. It is so sad.
But I couldn't "get" how this was happening to Baez, what with his success - self publishing, new pocket squares and all...

Same here, because I thought it had been stated in an article somewhere that the house was threatened with foreclosure but then it was somehow paid up.

I won't go any further with what I am thinking is going on. Not until I see evidence that this short sale to avoid foreclosure is true.
 
Thanks for that. I know it is hard to go into detail about such personal things. You are right that it does say a lot about why you see Cindy the way you do.

I have a really ugly specimen for a mother, too. Maybe I even hate her sometimes. And I guess that could be why it was so easy for me to spot what could have been Casey's motive to murder her baby. Not everyone will be driven to such drastic methods of revenge, thank God, but some are.

All I have to do is think back to how many times I wanted revenge and it's just a no-brainer for me to see the rage in Casey's heart, rage that fermented over a dozen or so years, until finally she lashed out in a most malicious manner. IMO, Casey was lashing at Cindy; Caylee was a victim of a feud that started before she was ever born.

I guess I was lucky in that I did have a wonderful mom in my life. I learned at a young age that I did NOT want to be anything like my mother. I have worked hard to be as opposite of her as I possibly can be. The worst thing someone can say to me, that knows my situation, is that I am just like my mother.

Because of me having my mom and her showing me what a mom is really like, I could never understand using my children against my mother. My daughters mean the world to me. I would do anything (within reason) for them. I can't understand how Casey could carry Caylee for nine months, go through labor and then hate her as much as she did. The only explaination I can come up with is that she is just like Cindy. I'm not even sure that Casey killed Caylee to spite Cindy. I really don't think that is it. I think that Caylee stood in the way of what Casey wanted, so she had to go. I do believe that Cindy and George are both lucky that they have managed to stay alive all of those years while living with Casey. I do believe that Casey fully intended to kill all three of them and not just Caylee.

MOO
 
My 5pm Pacific Coast time report on Baez's sales ranking - no wonder he can't afford to pay his mortgage. He's been frantically buying again trying to drag this numbers back over the 400 mark. Now at #405....

Hi Jose and minions ....:seeya: bad day, eh? Sorry I can't buy your book, just isn't available in my part of the country....:floorlaugh:
 
I have two daughters and I adored them as soon as they were born and still do. I tried to be a "good mom" but without a roadmap besides Dr. Spock and my heart, it wasn't easy sometimes.

I am sorry I won't be having any grandchildren at the same time as I understand the reasons for it. But every now and then when one of my young friends has a baby - I feel a bit sad. But I guess not as sad as my daughter who can't have any. Life is just so strange - who'd have guessed it. Neither of us could have predicted this. We both thought she'd have a houseful and she thought I'd be living in her basement. LOL - she doesn't and she doesn't have a basement. And I never did meet Don Carlos so I wear leathers and ride on the back of his motorcycle to live happily after in Spain..
 
I guess I was lucky in that I did have a wonderful mom in my life. I learned at a young age that I did NOT want to be anything like my mother. I have worked hard to be as opposite of her as I possibly can be. The worst thing someone can say to me, that knows my situation, is that I am just like my mother.

Because of me having my mom and her showing me what a mom is really like, I could never understand using my children against my mother. My daughters mean the world to me. I would do anything (within reason) for them. I can't understand how Casey could carry Caylee for nine months, go through labor and then hate her as much as she did. The only explaination I can come up with is that she is just like Cindy. I'm not even sure that Casey killed Caylee to spite Cindy. I really don't think that is it. I think that Caylee stood in the way of what Casey wanted, so she had to go. I do believe that Cindy and George are both lucky that they have managed to stay alive all of those years while living with Casey. I do believe that Casey fully intended to kill all three of them and not just Caylee.

MOO

See...I don't think Casey hated Caylee any more than I think she loved Caylee. I think she was more indifferent than anything. I think she resented her child from the day she was born, maybe because she was so immature emotionally that she was jealous of the new baby...almost a sibling rivalry type thing even though this was not a new sibling coming along to take all the oohs and aahs that people give so freely to the youngest in the family. If a normal mind can play tricks sometimes, a seriously messed up mind can really do a number on you.

The thing is...I am not sure Casey ever felt like a mom, not emotionally and not physically. And as time went on, every time Caylee did something cute, or posed for a photo, or was oohed and aahed over...Casey felt a stab of jealousy. Casey wanted those oohs and aahs, either because they had been hers alone until Caylee came along or because she never got them at all.

I might be way off the mark with this. But I really don't think so.
 
See...I don't think Casey hated Caylee any more than I think she loved Caylee. I think she was more indifferent than anything. I think she resented her child from the day she was born, maybe because she was so immature emotionally that she was jealous of the new baby...almost a sibling rivalry type thing even though this was not a new sibling coming along to take all the oohs and aahs that people give so freely to the youngest in the family. If a normal mind can play tricks sometimes, a seriously messed up mind can really do a number on you.

The thing is...I am not sure Casey ever felt like a mom, not emotionally and not physically. And as time went on, every time Caylee did something cute, or posed for a photo, or was oohed and aahed over...Casey felt a stab of jealousy. Casey wanted those oohs and aahs, either because they had been hers alone until Caylee came along or because she never got them at all.

I might be way off the mark with this. But I really don't think so.

Nice summary - I'm with you on your points...
 
His book ranked 480 a couple of hours ago. Now it ranks 405. Maybe those of us who bought copies could return them as not as described, and push him up again! We need to get to 500. At that point I would feel like we had made a big dent in his quest to defraud the American people. And Canadians. After he hits 500, I think we can let our guard down a little and just observe.
 
I'm trying to picture it in my mind but I just can't see Casey killing Caylee because she resented her or because she wanted to get back at Cindy. I think about how Caylee died and I just see hatred. To place not one, not two, but three pieces of duct tape across Caylee's mouth and nose so tightly that it was still in place after all of those months out in the elements........how can someone do that unless there is hate there? How can someone look into that beautiful angels eyes while taping her mouth and nose shut?

I wish that I could see it some other way, I really do. I wish that the kind of evil that I am seeing did not exist. I wish that Caylee did not see that pure hatred in her own mother's eyes, but I think that she did.

I'm sorry that we disagree on this because I respect everyone here but I just can't help the way that I see it.
 
Nice summary - I'm with you on your points...

Well, my theory on this was cemented when I heard Jesse Grund speak out. I believe Jesse really loved Casey. He also loved little Caylee, and I think he showed those feelings openly. He stated that Casey broke off their engagement because she believed he loved Caylee more than he loved her.

I totally believe Casey was jealous of the love and attention others showed Caylee. And Cindy, with her many faults, did give a lot of attention to her granddaughter.
 
I'm trying to picture it in my mind but I just can't see Casey killing Caylee because she resented her or because she wanted to get back at Cindy. I think about how Caylee died and I just see hatred. To place not one, not two, but three pieces of duct tape across Caylee's mouth and nose so tightly that it was still in place after all of those months out in the elements........how can someone do that unless there is hate there? How can someone look into that beautiful angels eyes while taping her mouth and nose shut?

I wish that I could see it some other way, I really do. I wish that the kind of evil that I am seeing did not exist. I wish that Caylee did not see that pure hatred in her own mother's eyes, but I think that she did.

I'm sorry that we disagree on this because I respect everyone here but I just can't help the way that I see it.

Don't be sorry that we disagree. Your opinion is just as valid as anyone's. And it is a good thing when we can disagree without getting huffy or ugly about it. You have nothing to apologize for.
 
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