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[logicalgirl]

I was looking at a picture of Amanda Knox this morning as she spoke to people at Sea-Tac airport, and then flashed on the last court picture of OCA in court, with her makeup on and her hair down - when Cindy said "isn't she beautiful".

The difference in the two women is startling. I hope it is obvious to OCA and Baez why Amanda will rake in millions and she will not.

I would love to see the two pics side by side if anyone knows how to accomplish that.

 

[thedeviledadvocate]

Bolded by me and my responses in green. Thank you for your post. Very thought-provoking and caused me to look at alot of testimony over again.
Regards, BellaVita
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One other question in regards to the duct tape/madible/hair.

Assuming the duct tape was placed tightly over the mouth and nose, and was long enough to also be attached to the hair. Once the skin had decomposed, it is a given that the tape would not be as tight as it was when adhered to the skin which is no longer there. In addition to the facial skin, the scalp (skin) is also no longer there as it has decomposed as well. The hair itself is not solid like a bone, and without the scalp holding the hair in place, if there was pressure from the tape pulling the hair tight, with the scalp gone, what was holding the hair in place? With nothing holding the hair in place, how can the duct tape attached to the hair hold the mandible in place?

It seems more plausible, that whatever event that caused the skull to be found in an upright position, would have caused the mandible and skull to become embedded in the muck, and this muck and the weight of the skull would have been the reason the mandible was still near its anatomically correct position.

As always, my entire post is my opinion only.

 

[LambChop]

I think the fact that KC has remained silent since her release to allow people to speculate as to whether or not Caylee drowned tells us Caylee did not drown. If this were true.....KC would have made a statement, apologized to everyone she hurt with her lies, including her parents, thus winning some public appreciation and tell us she just wants to go on with her life. I think ZG lawsuit would fall apart if this were to happen. I mean she said she was sorry, as she did with Amy, ZG you need to move on with your life, etc. (Of course we know she was not sorry with her apology to Amy because her body language said the exact opposite according to Dr. L. G). The fact that she will not come forward has more to do with those who would know for sure KC was still lying and that would FOREVER remove all doubt that she did, indeed, kill her daughter. There are those that can read her like a book and it would be posted within 10 minutes of any statement KC gave to the public.

She is not talking because she not only can't but because she is "spiteful". jmo

 

[strawberry]

We've had a teat and a toot now. Let's hope the next thing doesn't rhyme with tot.

Get her a tissue, quick!:floorlaugh:

 

[Just K]

Get her a tissue, quick!:floorlaugh:

I hadn't thought of that one...:waitasec:
a few more come to mind yet I was thinking of one that actually rhymes with squat.:floorlaugh:

 

[logicalgirl]

We've had a teat and a toot now. Let's hope the next thing doesn't rhyme with tot.

Poor Nancy - she must be so embarrassed - however I think this will humanize and endear her even more to her HLN fans...

 

[krkrjx]

KC is mentioned in article about possible Amanda Knox book. It seems most if not all major publishers would love to get a contract with Knox while they do not even want to be mentioned in any article about KC.

Posting link to the article. MODERATOR, please remove if this is not one of WS acceptable sources.

(I like the term "ick factor" they have applied to KC.)

http://shelf-life.ew.com/2011/10/05/amanda-knox-book-what-publishing-insiders-have-to-say/

 

[wonders]

More thoughts rumbling around in my small brain.

Here's something that gets me every time I think of it.
The day that OCA thought she was going to be released from jail. The appearence of her clothing and hair and most of all was her attitude. She was as happy as a clam, chatting so freely with ear to ear smiles, just so animated. She was acting in the same fashion as she did in the 31 days that no one knew Caylee was gone. Does that not speak volumes? OMGosh it's screaming in my ears so loud. Yet JB wanted everyone to believe that she could go in peace and mourn her daughter and have intenvise theapry and still to this very day she has done none of it. I believe that this zebra will never change it's stripes. I have to ask myself all the time, who sits and listens to whatever she has to say and does it drive them crazy? I just can't imagine being around her, listening and watching how she acts. KWIM?

Another thing that bugs me is JB's "when I go home tonight and my daughter asks what I did today I can tell her I saved a life today". I just cannot seem to put my finger on exactly why I feel so weird about that statement. Is it because I don't know how old his daughter is and if she is about Caylee's age when Caylee was murdered dosen't that creep JB out. Did he sit around watching his own daughter and thinking how easy it could be to snuff her life out and get away with it. I still have trouble looking at little children of that age group and thinking how horrible I think OCA is for not only murdering Caylee but acting as if Caylee never exsisted.

 

[logicalgirl]

Some quite interesting thoughts presented by CBC today on why juries voted the way they did in the Amanda Knox trial and the Anthony trial and how they view female defendants... I actually had to do some belief searching...:waitasec: and would be interested in hearing your coments about this article.

..http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2011/10/04/amanda-knox-qa-trial.html?cmp=rss

 

[logicalgirl]

More thoughts rumbling around in my small brain.

Here's something that gets me every time I think of it.
The day that OCA thought she was going to be released from jail. The appearence of her clothing and hair and most of all was her attitude. She was as happy as a clam, chatting so freely with ear to ear smiles, just so animated. She was acting in the same fashion as she did in the 31 days that no one knew Caylee was gone. Does that not speak volumes? OMGosh it's screaming in my ears so loud. Yet JB wanted everyone to believe that she could go in peace and mourn her daughter and have intenvise theapry and still to this very day she has done none of it. I believe that this zebra will never change it's stripes. I have to ask myself all the time, who sits and listens to whatever she has to say and does it drive them crazy? I just can't imagine being around her, listening and watching how she acts. KWIM?

Another thing that bugs me is JB's "when I go home tonight and my daughter asks what I did today I can tell her I saved a life today". I just cannot seem to put my finger on exactly why I feel so weird about that statement. Is it because I don't know how old his daughter is and if she is about Caylee's age when Caylee was murdered dosen't that creep JB out. Did he sit around watching his own daughter and thinking how easy it could be to snuff her life out and get away with it. I still have trouble looking at little children of that age group and thinking how horrible I think OCA is for not only murdering Caylee but acting as if Caylee never exsisted.

That statement creeped me out because I'm sure it's one of the things that had the superficial thinkers on the jury believe they were deciding on life or death.
At the time Baez made that statement, no life was at "risk".

 

[BigFatMommyDog]

Some quite interesting thoughts presented by CBC today on why juries voted the way they did in the Amanda Knox trial and the Anthony trial and how they view female defendants... I actually had to do some belief searching...:waitasec: and would be interested in hearing your coments about this article.

..http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2011/10/04/amanda-knox-qa-trial.html?cmp=rss

I wish that article had been longer, or that there was a link to documentation/research that explored the questions and hypotheses more in depth. It seemed a bit superficial and redundant in many spots - not that the premise was inaccurate, but I don't feel it was particularly posited or well explored in the space of that short article.

 

[logicalgirl]

Agree, but have we not heard this over and over again in the arguments here -

Through time … if the accused defendant on trial, especially if its a woman, is seen as a classic, typical feminine figure, she's almost seen by the public as incapable of such a crime.

And she is so pretty she couldn't possibly have done such a terrible thing.

It seems that a prosecutor needs to take a defendant outside the boundaries of femininity for people to consider that she is capable of murder.

Are we all so shallow that we believe looks determine what our actions are? I seems bizarre but could be true...

That was my point here because I still search for why? To some of us - all so obvious - to others it just is not possible that such a pretty face could have committed this atrocious crime....:waitasec:

 

[logicalgirl]

I wish that article had been longer, or that there was a link to documentation/research that explored the questions and hypotheses more in depth. It seemed a bit superficial and redundant in many spots - not that the premise was inaccurate, but I don't feel it was particularly posited or well explored in the space of that short article.

I was thinking that was our job....:innocent:

 

[cityslick]

Some quite interesting thoughts presented by CBC today on why juries voted the way they did in the Amanda Knox trial and the Anthony trial and how they view female defendants... I actually had to do some belief searching...:waitasec: and would be interested in hearing your coments about this article.

..http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2011/10/04/amanda-knox-qa-trial.html?cmp=rss

I've seen a few commentaries about AK, one saying 'oh, how can this waif of a girl be a murderer', which must be one of the most idiotic things I've heard in awhile. But it's mindsets like that some people base their views on, which is wrong IMO.

 

[BigFatMommyDog]

I was thinking that was our job....:innocent:

I'm sorry - perhaps I'm being vague. The premise for the article is the research she has done - I wish there had been a link to that or "further reading." As it stands the degree of adherence to a "feminine norm" vis a vis one's impression of guilt or innocence in a capital case is, in my opinion, sadly, well established and evidenced in smaller circumstances like the "Barbie defense."*

I must say that the characterization of Yates was a bit odd, imho

*ETA - not that I am happy about it

 

[stilettos]

I've seen a few commentaries about AK, one saying 'oh, how can this waif of a girl be a murderer', which must be one of the most idiotic things I've heard in awhile. But it's mindsets like that some people base their views on, which is wrong IMO.

I do believe that people tend to box a woman on trial in as: Either bad or good girls. I think that there is evidence that women who appear "feminine" in their aspect...can still be evil and kill. I also think that it is important for a juror to throw those preconceived notions out the window when sitting for a trial.

 

[rossva]

You seem to contradict yourself with those two statements.

It was not the State that failed, it was the system itself that failed.


My opinion is the State could have presented more to the jury so they could "get it".

 

[logicalgirl]

I'm sorry - perhaps I'm being vague. The premise for the article is the research she has done - I wish there had been a link to that or "further reading." As it stands the degree of adherence to a "feminine norm" vis a vis one's impression of guilt or innocence in a capital case is, in my opinion, sadly, well established and evidenced in smaller circumstances like the "Barbie defense."*

I must say that the characterization of Yates was a bit odd, imho

*ETA - not that I am happy about it

Oh that clarifies.....because for the me - my reaction was - you've got to be kidding - in this day and age? I'd expect this to be so in the "50's from what I've read about the prevailing culture towards women in that era - but now?

Apparently I am wrong.......:banghead:

It's like the "mother's killing children" thing. How many times have we heard on this site, "I just can't believe a mother could be so cruel and kill her own child" and "I just can't accept a mother could kill her own child."

Hello people - in the real world in the States - 200 children are killed each year by their mothers....It IS our reality - and our opinions do nothing to make it not true....

And I feel the same about how someone looks....we judge what a person "could" do by how they look? How is that possible? Sorry - I am still "out there" with this stuff this morning as I try to grasp "my realities"....or rather "these realities".

 

[logicalgirl]

More thoughts rumbling around in my small brain.

Here's something that gets me every time I think of it.
The day that OCA thought she was going to be released from jail. The appearence of her clothing and hair and most of all was her attitude. She was as happy as a clam, chatting so freely with ear to ear smiles, just so animated. She was acting in the same fashion as she did in the 31 days that no one knew Caylee was gone. Does that not speak volumes? OMGosh it's screaming in my ears so loud. Yet JB wanted everyone to believe that she could go in peace and mourn her daughter and have intenvise theapry and still to this very day she has done none of it. I believe that this zebra will never change it's stripes. I have to ask myself all the time, who sits and listens to whatever she has to say and does it drive them crazy? I just can't imagine being around her, listening and watching how she acts. KWIM?

Another thing that bugs me is JB's "when I go home tonight and my daughter asks what I did today I can tell her I saved a life today". I just cannot seem to put my finger on exactly why I feel so weird about that statement. Is it because I don't know how old his daughter is and if she is about Caylee's age when Caylee was murdered dosen't that creep JB out. Did he sit around watching his own daughter and thinking how easy it could be to snuff her life out and get away with it. I still have trouble looking at little children of that age group and thinking how horrible I think OCA is for not only murdering Caylee but acting as if Caylee never exsisted.

Yes, I was thinking of that very thing when I was watching Amanda Knox stumbling through her little speech this morning at the airport. Different responses from each woman from each side of the spectrum....

 

[LambChop]

You seem to contradict yourself [/B]190368]with those two statements.

Only if you choose to look at it from a negative perspective. I believe the State had had enough proof Caylee did not die accidentally. The jury seemed to want more, almost "without a doubt" information, and I feel the State could have drug the trial out longer with all they had. The judge seemed to indicate to the courtroom let's get these people through this and get them home.

Still the majority of people you ask today think KC got away with murder. I happen to be one of them based on the evidence presented in court and what I have read from discovery documents. It is just my opinion but obviously it's not an unpopular one.