Sidebar for Caylee Anthony's forum #14

[Bravo]

I agree. She is a narcissist with a capital N. Narcissists, when backed into a corner like Casey was, only hurt other people, never themselves.

Brings back many memories for me of all her primping. Remember in the LE Video Interviews and with the hair in Court :floorlaugh: She likes herself. She really really likes herself :waitasec:

 

[AZlawyer]

The main charge was first degree murder, correct? I forget. Is there ANY way this can go to Federal Court under a different charge, like 2nd degree, or voluntery manslaughter???

I am STILL shocked that she got away with everything she did to sweet Caylee!!!!! :furious:

Nope.

There would need to be a civil suit filed and IIRC, there's a limit of time for which that can be done.

AZLawyer, only Caylee's family can file it, I assume? And in that case, it's not going to happen. :tears:

I looked up the Florida wrongful death law at some point and decided that no one was available to be the plaintiff in a civil suit. My recollection is that the grandparents couldn't sue while the parents were alive, but that's a vague recollection. In any event, I'm not a Florida lawyer, so if Cindy and George want to give it a shot, they should ask Mr. Lippman, not me.

Baez knew about the searches, so I'm assuming his experts are the ones who found it.

Yes, although they forgot to update their software first IMO and got the times wrong.

What gets me is if someone is wrongly convicted, then new evidence comes to light, they get out of jail free. When new evidence comes to light that would convict someone who walked, what happens? :furious:

Nothing. Double jeopardy and all that good constitutional stuff.

Want to include these <snips> from the above WESH link -

WESH 2 News legal analyst Richard Hornsby said the state would have had a better chance to convict Anthony had the evidence been discovered sooner. "The words to describe there was a search that implicates Casey Anthony but no one found it stuns me -- best way to describe it," Hornsby said.

umm...maybe they should be forthcoming and also describe their legal analyst as a "blogger" since he has posted here himself on many, many occasions.

I mean I am getting really, really tired of the "blogger" description as if it is something less than admirable and cast some sort of doubt on the quality of the info uncovered.

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Burdick said she never asked investigators to search for the term "suffocation" specifically before or during the trial but that, "I asked for a full history of June 16, 2008, before trial. I have those emails."

uh..yeah, she sounds pretty clear here that she thought it had been done thoroughly. I imagine she is not too happy to discover this.

Plus R Hornsby has an actual blog, making it a bit more accurate to call him a blogger lol. And what's the name of his blog? Isn't it something like Blahg Blawg Blog?? So I'm pretty sure he wouldn't have a problem being called a blogger.

I feel terribly about Linda--it sounds like she thought she had this base covered.

 

[TotallyObsessed]

They say "blogger" as if it is a certain type of person...but in reality it is just something that most people do in their daily lives. Isnt facebook tecnically considered a blog? It isnt some small subculture..if that makes sense..:waitasec:

Some people seem to equate bloggers with boogers. :floorlaugh:

ETA: And some Bloggers equate Casey Anthony with Murderer. So I guess we are even.

Sorry - I am in a great mood today. Off for 5 days and loving my weather here in the south. I have on my team t-shirt and shorts. Ahhhhh gotta love 70+ degree weather at Thanksgiving!

 

[deedee21]

I was disguisted also. I hope this is on the news thru out the country. Did not see this on tv in NY at all.

 

[zoey]

Got my answer! :kimsterwink:

Richard Hornsby said the state would have had a better chance to convict Anthony had the evidence been discovered sooner.

"The words to describe there was a search that implicates Casey Anthony but no one found it stuns me -- best way to describe it," Hornsby said.


Read more: http://www.wesh.com/news/casey-anth.../17496066/-/1imgkv/-/index.html#ixzz2CsXfIwus

Here is where I differ...they didn't even convict her on neglect of her child....and she was protrayed as mom of the year :banghead: Dont think anything could have changed their minds.....sickening:what:

 

[Bravo]

Here is where I differ...they didn't even convict her on neglect of her child....and she was protrayed as mom of the year :banghead: Dont think anything could have changed their minds.....sickening:what:

Yes the fact they didn't convict on lesser charges is very telling.

 

[Frigga]

Question to AZ- last night one of the final posts on the thread I read was where one of our wonderful posters (I feel so bad I can't remember who- I was tired) located an email or IM of FKC's where she used the term fool-proof plan in the weeks leading up to the murder. Has the information been passed along to TP for inclusion in this evenings broadcast? I think that was pretty bombshell worthy!TIA

 

[AZlawyer]

Just watched the DVR recording of the news.

I'm now extra bummed I wasn't a WS'er during this case! What an amazing group of people here! Question: did the WS'ers who found this info have it before, during, or after trial?

I wanted to make sure to drop a HUGE thank you to the WS'ers who cared so much to find and have this info revealed! When the truth is the highest priority in any case, it makes my heart smile! :great:

This gives me inspiration and determination that I *can* help... even if only from my desk.

We didn't have the information until August, after we heard what Jose was saying in his book and made a public records request for the full internet history.

I agree. If someone on the board is familar with law the question i have is can she go to jail if she is found guilty of wrongful death? She belongs in a cell with Dianne Downs.

No. As I mentioned above, I don't think there is anyone who can sue her for wrongful death, but even if there were, she couldn't go to jail as a result of a civil suit.

 

[katydid23]

(snipped for space)

I totally agree. The prosecution had such strong evidence in the smell of death in the car, a hair with a death band, a duct-taped body in garbage bags dumped in a place well-known to Casey and so on. And when combined with the actions of the defendant at the time, plus the 31 days, and then all the lies, well I think the prosecution believed that was all sufficient for conviction. And their reason for believing that was: It was all sufficient for conviction!

I still believe that their biggest mistake was not missing this computer evidence as much as giving the jury too much credit for being able to analyze and see the situation for what it truly was--a murder and subsequent cover up.

That jury was lost on all the scientific testimony, much of which was not easily decipherable to the average citizen. And such testimony went on for full days at a time. The prosecution basically lost the jury's attention, I believe, and then did not do what was necessary to regain it--basically speak at their level of understanding. Consider the days upon days of testimony that went right over most people's heads, and how a group of 12 who didn't really want to be there one minute longer than necessary were expected to listen to and then analyze it all--it was a recipe for disaster, IMO.

The prosecution could have brought this computer search evidence in and still not have had any effect on the jury. Because after a while, I think the jurors had simply quit listening.

All JMO.

BBM

This jury had the concentration span of a gnat. They admitted that they tuned out after the Opening Statements.

We need to STOP choosing jurors from a pool of people who do not read papers, listen to talk radio or watch the news. By choosing from that pool, we are limiting ourselves to people who do not give a chit about their world at large or their community. We are limiting ourselves to narrow minded, selfish, non-enquiring minds. That is the OPPOSITE type of person who should be on a jury, imo. And it showed in the Pinellas 12. They couldn't be bother3ed to listen to the evidence and piece it together, or follow it through. They had already admitted that in their daily lives they had no interest in reading or exploring or investigating what was going on around them. They avoided doing so. So why expect them to do so as jurors?

 

[AZlawyer]

Question to AZ- last night one of the final posts on the thread I read was where one of our wonderful posters (I feel so bad I can't remember who- I was tired) located an email or IM of FKC's where she used the term fool-proof plan in the weeks leading up to the murder. Has the information been passed along to TP for inclusion in this evenings broadcast? I think that was pretty bombshell worthy!TIA

I'll pass that on to him.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

I was disguisted also. I hope this is on the news thru out the country. Did not see this on tv in NY at all.

It looks like only Hollywood gossip sites and local Florida media have picked it up. I searched Google News and I see nothing from the major networks...

 

[zippitydoda]

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/en...y-pipitone-salutes-citizen-investigators.html

You can see Pipitone&#8217;s detailed work at the station&#8217;s website. He acknowledges his debt to two &#8220;citizen-investigators,&#8221; XXXX attorney AZXXXX and computer expert XXXXX. They had become acquainted through Websleuths, an amateur sleuthing web community, Pipitone said.

There is another WS referrence, but I won't give someone the satification...

 

[Bravo]

I agree Katydid. Seems these folks were under the CSI effect. Didn't understand most cases are circumstantial etc. etc. We dont always know the exact sequence of the Murder. We can determine by evidence presented that a Murder did occur and base conclusions on reasonable judgement and evidence. I could have sat on the Jury. Put aside everything i knew and just based a verdict on what i heard in Court. Of course it would have been Guilty. This case was a no brainer :banghead:

 

[Frigga]

BBM: Here you go, about a month before the "foolproof suffication" search:

2008-05-12
MON 01:56pm.
Facebook

Casey to Amy (FB)
(From Facebook - Posted To Amy Huizenga):

Casey Anthony (Orlando, FL) wrote To Amy Huizenga at 1:56pm on May 12th, 2008

"let's find new distractions...then distractions for our distractions. it's a fool-proof plan!"

http://www.acandyrose.com/caylee_anthony_timeline2008May.htm​

Here it is folks! Do we have any question that it was KC who searched for fool-proof suffocation? Thank you Desdemona!

 

[deedee21]

Defense attorneys play a role injury selection. They zoom in on who they believe are morons wrapped in idiot. This was the only way this baby killer was going to get off. This may be a grasping at straws. Can someone go after her for human rights violation? I think theres a 7 year time limit.

 

[beach]

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/en...y-pipitone-salutes-citizen-investigators.html

You can see Pipitone’s detailed work at the station’s website. He acknowledges his debt to two “citizen-investigators,” XXXX attorney AZXXXX and computer expert XXXXX. They had become acquainted through Websleuths, an amateur sleuthing web community, Pipitone said.

There is another WS referrence, but I won't give someone the satification...

Great read!

I love the term "citizen investigators". I can live with that just fine.


p.s. Thanks so much zippity for remembering to <snip> their real names here. :blowkiss:

 

[AZlawyer]

Defense attorneys play a role injury selection. They zoom in on who they believe are morons wrapped in idiot. This was the only way this baby killer was going to get off. This may be a grasping at straws. Can someone go after her for human rights violation? I think theres a 7 year time limit.

Nope, sorry.

ETA: Considering this is an "anti-Casey website" (as I have just learned today), I sure am spending a lot of time saying that Casey can't be sued or tried for anything.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

Just because you don't know much about this case doesn't mean you are ignorant. What if someone gets their news from CBS Evening News, Meet the Press, Rachel Maddow, and the NY Times? How often would they hear about the case? How much would they know? Obviously, that person is not ignorant of news in the world. If you aren't interested in these cases, it's not hard to avoid them. Yeah, I think it's weird to have never heard of it, but there's nothing wrong with not knowing much else.

 

[LolaMoon08]

I think something needs to be done about the jury selection process, IMO. I understand it is a civic duty, but when you have so many people who really have no desire to sit on a jury and force them to do so... we end up with lazy, ungrateful brats whose only real concern is what movies they can watch and what is for dessert. One juror seemed to find it in himself to tell us another juror washed his underpants. I mean really??? You just sat on the jury of a murdered two-year-old baby and set the murderer free and you think we give two <modslips) about your clean underpants?? Really? That is what you took away from your experience??

Jury duty is a job. A very important job and we need people who take that job very seriously. This group obviously went into this with no sense and came out of this without any sense. :banghead:

 

[Kimster]

Nope, sorry.

ETA: Considering this is an "anti-Casey website" (as I have just learned today), I sure am spending a lot of time saying that Casey can't be sued or tried for anything.

I've spent hours mulling through the Mod Manual and haven't found reference to assuring that we are an anti-Casey website. Perhaps Beach can find the time to look through it too.







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