Sidebar for Caylee Anthony's forum #14

[watcher9]

Does anyone know where Baez's book review thread is???
I need to check something and can't find it.....:waitasec:

Here you go!

[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=179945"]Fact-Checking "Presumed Guilty" by Jose Baez ***LIST ONLY, NO DISCUSSION*** - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]

 

[katydid23]

Just because you don't know much about this case doesn't mean you are ignorant. What if someone gets their news from CBS Evening News, Meet the Press, Rachel Maddow, and the NY Times? How often would they hear about the case? How much would they know? Obviously, that person is not ignorant of news in the world. If you aren't interested in these cases, it's not hard to avoid them.

I agree that one could do so.

But If you go back to the interviews with these jurors, you will hear almost all of them say that they do NOT listen to the evening news nor do they read newspapers. None of them watched Meet the Press or Rachel Maddow either.

They were proud to say they did not watch the news or read the papers.

 

[deedee21]

What a shame. I hope she lives an isolated life .

 

[CarolinaMoon]

I honestly believe these guys believed they were doing their best work by sticking to old school tried and true methods. Education is needed and an up to date computer arm needs to be added to all major crime labs and policing divisions.

The world has become very sophisticated in a very short time - and I'm betting if we did a survey of the OCSD we would find individuals who are not computer literate at all.

logicalgirl, I'm not picking on you at all. It's just that I've been reading most of the day and there are a bunch of peeps saying they tried the case as I bolded in your reply.

I think that it is true that "old school" may certainly apply to the lack of forensics done on the computer. LDB and JA depended on their local people to do all the computer searches. There was testimony by them that there were difficulties with getting the information from Firefox. Why they didn't pass the problems on to the FBI or FDLA to iron them out.

We knew well before the trial (thanks to all those computer experts here) that Casey used Firefox while her parents used MIE. Grrr...

However, let's remember that this trial was a groundbreaker in accepting new science. Ashton got Arpad Vass on the stand for the first-ever testimony about the components of decompositional gasses. The same goes for the chloroform testimony. He got the testimony about the death band in. There was more new science, but memory fails and there's no need to go into it all.

Someday, in a future case, what was first introduced here will be successfully used in cases and we will have convictions based on the new territory opened by the prosecution.

All that being said, I am a zero when it comes to science, but by the time it was explained at trial, even I was able to grasp it. It will be much the same as it was with DNA. At first, it was so difficult to grasp. I remember the OJ trial on that one! The amount of detail and the length of the testimony pretty much negated that all, along with a strong defense team. Now, DNA testimony has become so familiar to the public that the explanation of how this science works has become much simpler and is the kiss of death in many trials.

If there is any justice for Caylee, part of it comes from the fact that down the line, the science the jury didn't get will convict others.

 

[cluciano63]

The trial was in 2011; not 1999 or a time when the internet was new. No excuse for not finding this info and making use of it, IMO. Who knows if anything would be different today? But as it is, it makes the "star" prosecution team look incompetent, at least to me.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

I agree that one could do so.

But If you go back to the interviews with these jurors, you will hear almost all of them say that they do NOT listen to the evening news nor do they read newspapers. None of them watched Meet the Press or Rachel Maddow either.

They were proud to say they did not watch the news or read the papers.

Yeah, that's a problem. They should get jurors who get their news from sources who did not cover this case, at least not a regular basis.

 

[TotallyObsessed]

What a shame. I hope she lives an isolated SHORT life .

THERE. I fixed it for you.

 

[jane the dood]

Here is where I differ...they didn't even convict her on neglect of her child....and she was protrayed as mom of the year :banghead: Dont think anything could have changed their minds.....sickening:what:

Yes the fact they didn't convict on lesser charges is very telling.

And that's the bottom line: The jury didn't have to convict FCA of first degree murder; there were lesser charges. So for the jurors to say, well, we thought she was guilty of something but not enough to convict...to that I say: BS! Just thinking of those clowns makes my BP go sky high; if I think about it too much longer I might burst a blood vessel or something!

Don't even get me started on Baez and his smirking face! Aaargh!!
:furious::furious::furious:

 

[LolaMoon08]

I've spent hours mulling through the Mod Manual and haven't found reference to assuring that we are an anti-Casey website. Perhaps Beach can find the time to look through it too.







:floorlaugh:

This member, LolaMoon08 is 100% Anti-Casey Anthony. One member doesn't make an entire forum though, so I do not think it can be declared an Anti-Casey forum until a few of our opponents convert to the good side. :fence:

 

[kaki]

FCA sure is one lucky felon! Lucked out with the p12 ....and now this. She is like an evil version of that cartoon character Mr Mcgoo...just getting in all sorts of messes but walks out unscathed. Her luck is almost unbelievable.

 

[Bravo]

I had stepped away from this Case some time ago. Some minor lurking. Do we know know where FCA is as far as who is housing and footing the bill? Thanks in advance. Is it true she and Cindy have had contact?

 

[Bravo]

FCA sure is one lucky felon! Lucked out with the p12 ....and now this. She is like an evil version of that cartoon character Mr Mcgoo...just getting in all sorts of messes but walks out unscathed. Her luck is almost unbelievable.

Lets hope these Civil Cases change that luck lease:

 

[momtective]

Nope, sorry.

ETA: Considering this is an "anti-Casey website" (as I have just learned today), I sure am spending a lot of time saying that Casey can't be sued or tried for anything.

But can Jose? Is there anything that can be done to him for failing to produce that evidence? Did he have a responsibility to the court to produce the evidence?

 

[ZsaZsa]

I had stepped away from this Case some time ago. Some minor lurking. Do we know know where FCA is as far as who is housing and footing the bill? Thanks in advance. Is it true she and Cindy have had contact?

Yes, she and Cindy have 'reconciled'. Excuse me a second while I do an eye roll.
I don't know where she's living but I think it's reasonable to assume she is not working hard for her living, but sponging off someone else. IMO she has part of the Dr Phil donation so I don't think she is going hungry.
I don't know anyone who can be "indigent" yet pay off $19K of her court costs without some hidden income.. Maybe Zenaida's lawyers can sleuth it out.

 

[ZsaZsa]

Nope.



I looked up the Florida wrongful death law at some point and decided that no one was available to be the plaintiff in a civil suit. My recollection is that the grandparents couldn't sue while the parents were alive, but that's a vague recollection. In any event, I'm not a Florida lawyer, so if Cindy and George want to give it a shot, they should ask Mr. Lippman, not me.



Yes, although they forgot to update their software first IMO and got the times wrong.



Nothing. Double jeopardy and all that good constitutional stuff.



Plus R Hornsby has an actual blog, making it a bit more accurate to call him a blogger lol. And what's the name of his blog? Isn't it something like Blahg Blawg Blog?? So I'm pretty sure he wouldn't have a problem being called a blogger.

I feel terribly about Linda--it sounds like she thought she had this base covered.

No offence intended, but I find it so sad that all "that good constitutional stuff" only seems to work one way, to protect the guilty, and that is accepted as being the right way.
No mention of Caylee's rights. Oh yeah, I remember now, she doesn't have any. Once she died she became a non-entity.

 

[zoey]

And that's the bottom line: The jury didn't have to convict FCA of first degree murder; there were lesser charges. So for the jurors to say, well, we thought she was guilty of something but not enough to convict...to that I say: BS! Just thinking of those clowns makes my BP go sky high; if I think about it too much longer I might burst a blood vessel or something!

Don't even get me started on Baez and his smirking face! Aaargh!!
:furious::furious::furious:

exactly :furious:

 

[Bravo]

Yes, she and Cindy have 'reconciled'. Excuse me a second while I do an eye roll.
I don't know where she's living but I think it's reasonable to assume she is not working hard for her living, but sponging off someone else. IMO she has part of the Dr Phil donation so I don't think she is going hungry.
I don't know anyone who can be "indigent" yet pay off $19K of her court costs without some hidden income.. Maybe Zenaida's lawyers can sleuth it out.

I wonder if some of the Church Folk are still providing a roof. Cant even wrap my head around her and Cindy having sharing caring time. Then again their whole dynamic always did defy logic and any norm :banghead: Thanks again:seeya:

 

[zoey]

But can Jose? Is there anything that can be done to him for failing to produce that evidence? Did he have a responsibility to the court to produce the evidence?

IIRC during the trial and such when that PI was out searching the woods he was instructed to contact JB and wasn't it stated JB had no obligation to report findings if any?:furious:

 

[ZsaZsa]

I would vote for this law-

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-15905139

 

[zoey]

I wonder if some of the Church Folk are still providing a roof. Cant even wrap my head around her and Cindy having sharing caring time. Then again their whole dynamic always did defy logic and any norm :banghead: Thanks again:seeya:

think she burned some of those bridges