SIDEBAR to the Drew Peterson trial

[panthera]

Why on earth would a cop who has been trained as an investigator and knows how to stage a murder to look like an accident, want to hire a hitman to kill his ex wife? Any cop with one eye and half sense would know that he couldn't trust a criminal and that it would come back to bite him in the butt. Drew is too smart for that, he'd been in LE a long time.
I seriously doubt this alleged hitman's story. It doesn't change my mind about his guilt, I just don't think it ever happened. He's shrewd and cunning, he is not stupid. This guy was either wanting his 15 minutes, or he was paid by the prosecution to make up this story, because they thought their case was weak.

Good point! The only scenario that comes to my mind for someone in LE to do this is if they are a dirty cop who is willing to overlook a criminal's latest offense in order to have him do something they want. Yes, the criminal is a potential snitch, but in the end would a repeat offender be believed over a cop? However, if I am understanding correctly, this 'hit man' is not in that category at all?

:waitasec:

MOO

 

[AbbieNormal]

Good point! The only scenario that comes to my mind for someone in LE to do this is if they are a dirty cop who is willing to overlook a criminal's latest offense in order to have him do something they want. Yes, the criminal is a potential snitch, but in the end would a repeat offender be believed over a cop? However, if I am understanding correctly, this 'hit man' is not in that category at all?

:waitasec:

MOO

BBM

Maybe Drew said that knowing if the guy snitched on HIM, he would just say "do you believe ME or this LOSER CRIMINAL????"

And since Drew thinks he is so clever, he probably figured everyone would believe the word of a COP.

JMO

abbie:moo:

 

[Cappuccino]

BBM

Maybe Drew said that knowing if the guy snitched on HIM, he would just say "do you believe ME or this LOSER CRIMINAL????"

And since Drew thinks he is so clever, he probably figured everyone would believe the word of a COP.

JMO

abbie:moo:

This is what I think DP thought too.

It fits in with him being a domestic abuser, and having his wife arrested twice on trumped up charges. This is an arrogant piece of work who thinks his badge and his gun and the thin blue line will protect him, and his word will always be taken over that of a civilian. I can well believe that he tried to hire a hitman, because he would think that nobody would believe this man if he told.

 

[Mama-cita]

Why on earth would a cop who has been trained as an investigator and knows how to stage a murder to look like an accident, want to hire a hitman to kill his ex wife? Any cop with one eye and half sense would know that he couldn't trust a criminal and that it would come back to bite him in the butt. Drew is too smart for that, he'd been in LE a long time.
I seriously doubt this alleged hitman's story. It doesn't change my mind about his guilt, I just don't think it ever happened. He's shrewd and cunning, he is not stupid. This guy was either wanting his 15 minutes, or he was paid by the prosecution to make up this story, because they thought their case was weak.

Why would the state risk all credibility and attorneys risk being DISBARRED by paying someone to lie in a trial with pretty strong circumstantial evidence (most of which the judge is not allowing unfortunately). A lowlife criminal is the perfect person for drew to seek out. As a "decorated" police officer (pffft!) he would just discredit anyone who made allegations against him. Look what he did to Kathleen

 

[panthera]

BBM

Maybe Drew said that knowing if the guy snitched on HIM, he would just say "do you believe ME or this LOSER CRIMINAL????"

And since Drew thinks he is so clever, he probably figured everyone would believe the word of a COP.

JMO

abbie:moo:

Exactly, however, what is this guy's "record"? Anything serious enough that DP would have approached him with this bribe? My apologies, however I did not read through all the posts of his testimony or background.

:waitasec:

MOO

 

[AbbieNormal]

Exactly, however, what is this guy's "record"? Anything serious enough that DP would have approached him with this bribe? My apologies, however I did not read through all the posts of his testimony or background.

:waitasec:

MOO

I don't know this guys criminal record but it *seems* like I read here somewhere awhile back that the guys 'crimes' were when he was a juvenile. Or much younger than he was at the time DP approached him. I dunno. JMO.

abbie:moo:

 

[LambChop]

This is what I think DP thought too.

It fits in with him being a domestic abuser, and having his wife arrested twice on trumped up charges. This is an arrogant piece of work who thinks his badge and his gun and the thin blue line will protect him, and his word will always be taken over that of a civilian. I can well believe that he tried to hire a hitman, because he would think that nobody would believe this man if he told.

It's a lot easier to get rid of a criminal than an ex-wife. Once the job was done he'd just set up the hitman and he'd be gone. Drug deal gone wrong. DP was in narcotics he would know. No one would be the wiser. Obviously if he could follow his ex's around he could follow the guy he'd paid off after Kathy was killed to the payoff point and get them both.....drug deal gone wrong. I believe he had bases covered either way. jmo

 

[LambChop]

I don't know this guys criminal record but it *seems* like I read here somewhere awhile back that the guys 'crimes' were when he was a juvenile. Or much younger than he was at the time DP approached him. I dunno. JMO.

abbie:moo:

His crime was being 18 years old and in love with a 15 year old. He was warned to not have contact with her and they kept meeting and the charges were filed. I believe that was his only crime. jmo

 

[panthera]

I don't know this guys criminal record but it *seems* like I read here somewhere awhile back that the guys 'crimes' were when he was a juvenile. Or much younger than he was at the time DP approached him. I dunno. JMO.

abbie:moo:

If that is the case, he would seem an unlikely person for DP to approach with such a request. Thank you for the reply, I thought perhaps I had missed something with his testimony this week which revealed him as a potential 'third strike' criminal. However, I do still believe the man's testimony.

MOO

 

[AbbieNormal]

If that is the case, he would seem an unlikely person for DP to approach with such a request. Thank you for the reply, I thought perhaps I had missed something with his testimony this week which revealed him as a potential 'third strike' criminal. However, I do still believe the man's testimony.

MOO

I believe him, too.

abbie :moo:

 

[katydid23]

Why on earth would a cop who has been trained as an investigator and knows how to stage a murder to look like an accident, want to hire a hitman to kill his ex wife? Any cop with one eye and half sense would know that he couldn't trust a criminal and that it would come back to bite him in the butt. Drew is too smart for that, he'd been in LE a long time.
I seriously doubt this alleged hitman's story. It doesn't change my mind about his guilt, I just don't think it ever happened. He's shrewd and cunning, he is not stupid. This guy was either wanting his 15 minutes, or he was paid by the prosecution to make up this story, because they thought their case was weak.

But back when it happened, he told his wife about what Drew offered him. And then later after Stacy went missing, the woman, now Pachters ex wife, called in to the tip line and told LE the story.

And the cops came to Pachter and asked if it was true. So he wasnt looking for his 15 minutes apparently, nor did the state make it up.

Also, I agree that it is a really stupid move for a cop to hire a hitman. But look at all of the stupid things Drew did. Had an underaged girlfriend who he had sex with in the basement and got her pregnant while he was still married. He dressed up in his SWAT gear and broke into his ex's home and threatened her with a knife. He killed his new wife after he was already under suspicion of his last wife's disappearance. So hiring a hitman does not seem any more stupid than the rest of it. jmo

I think he had a bigger plan. He planned to hire a hitman, so he could be at an amusement park with the kids. And then he himself would kill the hitman, [and Pachter too I suppose] to keep them from talking.

 

[katydid23]

I don't know this guys criminal record but it *seems* like I read here somewhere awhile back that the guys 'crimes' were when he was a juvenile. Or much younger than he was at the time DP approached him. I dunno. JMO.

abbie:moo:

True.

But the guy said that the reason asked him to FIND a hitman was because he lived and worked in a really seedy neighborhood and Drew thought he would know someone who might do it/

Also, didnt the guy have a big gambling debt that he asked Drew to help him with? Maybe Drew thought he was desperate for $.

 

[Livingthedream]

I respectfully disagree. He was a single pastor counseling a married woman. He did not want any appearance of impropriety. He was covering his a$$, which is a smart thing to do in his particular position. I wish they had asked him if he followed this practice with all married women- public place. Maybe the other man he brought along was in case DP showed up and caused a scene. He knew Drew was a bad apple. I would have brought along back-up, too, in his situation.

Imagine if he had met with Stacy alone, in the church office, with nobody else around. To me, that would be reckless, foolhardy, ridiculous, dangerous, open for any interpretation, and just plain stupid. This assinine defense team would have tore that up, said they were having trists at the church, etc.

JMO


abbie

I'm sure they'd say it took place In the pew, no less. The pastor did the right thing.

 

[SoBeCzar]

I'm playing devil's advocate with myself. I followed this case for a short time in the beginning and decided immediately he was guilty. Left it alone for years and now that the trial is finally taking place I want to see if the evidence will convince me of his guilt. Not sure I can put aside my prejudice but I'm trying.......

I stayed away from info about this case for the past yr or so. I was doing basically what you are. But the more I hear the more I hate him. I do not know if they are going to be able to prove it. I did think the pastors testimony was very strong. I have realized I cannot put my prejudice aside. So I am now just routing for the PT.

 

[WindyCityGirl]

I am having a delayed reaction over here, WS crew.....the whole DT assertion that it was "rough sex" that caused those injuries to Kathleen that resulted in internal bleeding is so enraging !!!!! What did that monster put that poor woman through?
They didn't ask Steve if they engaged in really rough sex, but they could have but they didn't because they knew that the answer would be NO. They had normal sexual activity that I can't even believe they had her boyfriend discuss.
They did ask Dr. Blum if Kathleen could have had rough sex and he did say it was a possibility, but he didn't say that it would have resulted in those injuries!!!!!!!!!

I have read that the defense team is going to have 3 doctors testify....I am speculating that we are going to hear about her multiple physical ailments, her mental health issues, and her "fat blaster" pills. I don't think that I can take it....I wonder who these doctors are and if they are well regarded. I am sickened by all of this.
Two women are dead and gone.....children are without their mother.....and we have a team of sleazy attorneys fighting for the freedom of a killer.
\\bbm

 

[LaLaw2000]

FWIW Kathleen's family said she kept her nails long.

http://petersonstory.wordpress.com/2012/08/16/drew-peterson-trial-day-eleven/

.... Mitchell examined both Savio's fingers and toe nails as being “short and clean.” ...

http://petersonstory.wordpress.com/2012/08/15/drew-peterson-trial-day-ten/


Sounds like the killer clipped her nails. imo

Just catching up here...........

Kathleen's boyfriend would know if her nails were short or long, IMO. Why was this information suppressed? Her family would know how she kept her nails. Did any of those geniuses even test for any DNA underneath her nails? Why couldn't that have been talked about at trial?

This trial has been the biggest travesty of justice I have ever seen. It started with the judge letting the defense call all the shots and went even further south from there, IMO.

I had high hopes the day pastor testified and was still stoked yesterday morning. Then it all started going bad again, as usual.

I dread Monday and what the defense may come up with. I'm sorry, but I hope they screw up royally!

I do not even drink, but I swear I am going to put a seatbelt on this chair and have very liberal Irish Coffee's during verdict watch!

*End of rant!

Thanks for the link, Noway!!!

 

[SoBeCzar]

The hit man testified that he had some problems getting a job and Drew found that he was getting a FBI hit coming back on his record. Drew was supposed to fix that for the "hitman". So I think Drew thought it was a little tit for tat situation with money to sweeten the deal.

 

[sirensong]

I didn't realize that judge E. Burmila lost to Glasgow serving as district attorney for 10 years.

http://joliet.patch.com/local_facts/edward-burmila

Been reading back about all that has happened since this SP's disappearance, and it is so sad that this jury is hearing next to nothing considering all the info.

 

[WindyCityGirl]

people and manipulate situations. The defense team can try to laugh off the hitman as being opportunistic all they want, but c'mon, really? Did he really seek out the public spot light about this case? He really wanted to have his past history of gambling and a sex offender status made more public?
I hope that the PT drives home EVERY point in their closing arguments.
If you want to accept the happy go lucky gangstas or you want to accept the sad reality of the factual testimony....

Even the pastor......he may indeed feel some measure of guilt that he let Stacy go home to a murderer. He may very well feel that he didn't stand up enough......but really, he was taking Stacy's safety into consideration. She didn't want to tip off Drew that she was talking about him and was spilling the beans. It was a very bizarre crazy situation that I am sure that he has replayed in his mind over and over again. Did this case give him anything in return? NO. I imagine that it has been a source of mental anguish and deep regret for him.......it must have been terrifying to hear her tell him about her husband and then for her to go missing. He actually has a soul and a moral conscience.....
If they muddy him up it is only going to serve to make them look worse.
Even if Stacy was looking to seduce the Pastor (which I don't think was the case I am only stating this for the purpose of making my point), it doesn't take away the veracity of her statements. IT just would further show her to be a desparate young woman looking for answers and comfort.

We are lucky that the judge allowed them both to say as much as they did, but some things were still struck that could have packed even more of a punch. I hope that the jury knows that they are receiving watered down testimony, but who knows what they are thinking.....
So many smoke screens in that room and loud, loud disruptive OBJECTIONS, sidebars, and poptarts that I wonder if they have been able to really, really process all of this information effectively. :maddening:


Drew is a major :butthead: and deserves to be in :jail: for the rest of his days here on earth.

The defense team are nothing but a bunch of cocky blowhards:cool2: who are
aggressive, flashy and trashy.
How do those people sleep at night?
Stacy who? in unison..........OHhhhhh that Stacy. .:curses:

:moo: toujours simply my opinion

QUOTE=SoBeCzar;8300816]The hit man testified that he had some problems getting a job and Drew found that he was getting a FBI hit coming back on his record. Drew was supposed to fix that for the "hitman". So I think Drew thought it was a little tit for tat situation with money to sweeten the deal.[/QUOTE]

 

[LambChop]

I think at the point that Stacy went to the pastor she was desperate and the last thing on her mind at that point was an affair with this man. She had to have been terrified out of her mind that she would end up like Kathy. jmo