Sievers Sidebar #3

[IM4TRUTH]

Well what if this is exactly what happened?
food for thought.
But MY theory is CWW was after TS and it wasn't because MS asked him to...
He hated this woman or something. Maybe something he found out she said.... she was not one to hold back IMO.
she was murdered in a RAGE. To me this was PERSONAL.

I sincerely hope this is what happened here. SO I'm sitting on this fence till there is real evidence MS hired CWW and he is arrested.


But as always this is JMVOO

Then WHY hasn't MS made any comments/statements - how could my bff do this to me? I trusted him with my life! What was in it for him? He didn't take my money. I can't believe this has happened. He took the mother of my children - etc etc etc

 

[Eileen730]

Then why did MS lie about the amount of life insurance, trying to hide supplemental policies from law enforcement? Why did MS and CWW use burner phones to communicate? Why did JR tell TaSho that MS hired CWW? These are all facts that have been established by law enforcement. This is real evidence. Sometimes the evidence is not a smoking gun or DNA at a crime scene, particularly in murder for hire.

I have no idea why he lied about the ins. Maybe he forgot! Remember the man has NO memory from what I read. Maybe he was afraid to say anything. INS does not mean he killed her.
I think he was keeping all his information about divorce and TS on his burner phone. Because his phone was work related to her practice I'm sure she used it so he got another.
I think CWW told JRR things MS never told CWW
Like I said...I don't know if he had anything at all to do with this. things all point to him but sometimes things are not as they appear.
the only things I have seen LE says are he is in the envelope of suspicion and they THINK he maybe had something to do with this.
I would like to see some facts.... then I will get off my fence...
this entire case since day one to me was NOT a hit. Hey I could be wrong. but I really hope I'm wright.

At least I give u all someone to argue with !!!! lol No hard feelings..

All the facts gathered are circumstantial so far.
Most murder for hires they rat each other out.


Alll JMO

 

[Eileen730]

Then WHY hasn't MS made any comments/statements - how could my bff do this to me? I trusted him with my life! What was in it for him? He didn't take my money. I can't believe this has happened. He took the mother of my children - etc etc etc

Because he has a lawyer!
You remain silent that is what every lawyer will tell u, no matter if your innocent or guilty.
He was cooperative with the cops till they started accusing him and then he did what anyone would do you get yourself a lawyer.
That is a NO BRAINER!

 

[DexterMorgan]

Mark knew that LE would request a hold on whichever life insurance policies that they knew of. So he tried to leave some out just in case 1 may send him a substantial check before personally cross referencing any possible involvement on his part. Jmo

 

[IM4TRUTH]

Because he has a lawyer!
You remain silent that is what every lawyer will tell u, no matter if your innocent or guilty.
He was cooperative with the cops till they started accusing him and then he did what anyone would do you get yourself a lawyer.
That is a NO BRAINER!

He didn't have a lawyer in the beginning! Why didn't he say these things when LE interviewed him the first time?

 

[Eileen730]

But we don't know what the message said.
It could have been designed to throw off the investigation. Wasn't it written via FB. Surely those fools knew LE would scour phones, social media etc.
The message could have been MS professing his undying LOVE for TS and how he won't be able to live without her. MS tells CWW via FB, TS has mentioned a divorce if I don't change my slovenly ways, get a job, stop chasing women, learn to manage money, etc she is leaving! Oh no! What will I do without her? She is the love of my life and I never want a divorce. We are working on our marriage big time now. I'm going to do everything in my power to keep her.
Could have been? Didn't MS tell LE they were recently re-connecting during the few hours he cooperated with the investigation?
Just a thought....and just MOO

LE said a lengthy message about divorce.

why does everyone tell him to get a job?
He was the stay at home mom.
this is a JOB

IMO TS was the money spender. Not Mark.
Id love to see the records.
they say she gave away a lot of money
Id like to see what he spent and what she did.

I think Teresa wanted the kids home schooled.

I don't think this was a loving relationship at all but I do think maybe they were trying to stay together for the kids and her practice. I think there was turmoil in that house and I would LOVE to hear what the children have said.

 

[Frigga]

Can you clarify why you think those things- about the spending habits- I mean?

Why do you think it was Teresa who wanted the children homeschooled?

Do you think those were her coins, money, ammunition and guns in the 6 or 7 safes?

What did you take away from AL interview about how thrifty TS was and how she shopped at consignment stores?

Traveling twice a year to your family in the North East- do you consider that extravagant?

I really want to know and I appreciate you explaining.

 

[Eileen730]

He didn't have a lawyer in the beginning! Why didn't he say these things when LE interviewed him the first time?

I don't think ppl when faced with a tragedy have to speak to US.
We don't see it on other cases any more like we used to yrs ago.

Plus it wouldn't matter if he did we would find fault with every word he said.

I'm very sure Mark Sievers was given advice.
Possibly by LE even. don't talk to anyone.

 

[MsArk]

LE said a lengthy message about divorce.

why does everyone tell him to get a job?
He was the stay at home mom.
this is a JOB

IMO TS was the money spender. Not Mark.
Id love to see the records.
they say she gave away a lot of money
Id like to see what he spent and what she did.

I think Teresa wanted the kids home schooled.

I don't think this was a loving relationship at all but I do think maybe they were trying to stay together for the kids and her practice. I think there was turmoil in that house and I would LOVE to hear what the children have said.

BBM
Well, we do know, at least from AL's interview, MS was supposed to be good with numbers but somehow there ended up being unpaid taxes resulting in an IRS lien on the house. Also, didn't AL say TS shopped at upscale consignment shops? There are many nice ones, in Naples, anyway.
I guess my point was she relied on him to handle the finances. For whatever reason, it doesn't look like he did too well with that. Even if TS was over spending, he could have tried to put a stop to it. She was surprised (to say the least) per AL re the tax lien. And he had enough cash and valuables in the house to pay it. Doesn't make sense to me.

I don't know. I do know SMS says MS is the mastermind behind all of this and I give a lot of weight to that. It doesn't take a lot to get an arrest. A conviction is a different story though. I'm confident SMS will leave no stone unturned to either arrest and try to convict or release the evidence is just not there. IMO, it is there but LE is making sure everything is in order. Double jeopardy and all of that good stuff.

ETA-- Re the job/stay at home mome
Per AL interview, which I put much stock in, TS wanted MS to have a career of his own and not be Mr Teresa Sievers.

 

[IM4TRUTH]

I don't think ppl when faced with a tragedy have to speak to US.
We don't see it on other cases any more like we used to yrs ago.

Plus it wouldn't matter if he did we would find fault with every word he said.

I'm very sure Mark Sievers was given advice.
Possibly by LE even. don't talk to anyone.

Usually we see them on TV crying, begging, pleading for help in finding who killed their loved one.

 

[Frigga]

LE said a lengthy message about divorce.

why does everyone tell him to get a job?
He was the stay at home mom.
this is a JOB

IMO TS was the money spender. Not Mark.
Id love to see the records.
they say she gave away a lot of money
Id like to see what he spent and what she did.

I think Teresa wanted the kids home schooled.

I don't think this was a loving relationship at all but I do think maybe they were trying to stay together for the kids and her practice . I think there was turmoil in that house and I would LOVE to hear what the children have said.

It is a job and a very important one, I agree.

I know that some of the comments are harsh but we shouldn't take it personal. I am a stay at home mom- my kids are in school and they are 12, 14 and 16.

I could get a job but I want to be the one to see them off in the mornings, the one to pick them up after school. I want to be able to drop what I'm doing at a moments notice to pick them up if they're sick. I want to be engaged, aware and know what they are doing, how they are feeling and who their friends are.

Mark is different- IMO. I am not controlling. The more people that love my kids and spend time with them- the better. My kids go away to overnight camps, take turns visiting and staying with family and their cousins. I travel internationally on occasion and so does my husband- for pleasure and enrichment. There is a control emanating from Mark Sievers that is not healthy for the girls and it does nothing to make him appear innocent.

If he is innocent he doesn't have to speak to police. If he's innocent why wouldn't he let the girls at least be interviewed- they are not suspects for god sake and why not give LE their DNA and hand prints so those can be ruled out as belonging to the perp!

Why wouldn't he be turning to Teresa's family in private? There have been men in the past whose wife's families have stood by them and proclaimed their innocence, as well.

Nothing Mark is doing outside of not cooperating with police make him look innocent or the victim! IMOO

 

[Eileen730]

Can you clarify why you think those things- about the spending habits- I mean?

Why do you think it was Teresa who wanted the children homeschooled?

Do you think those were her coins, money, ammunition and guns in the 6 or 7 safes?

What did you take away from AL interview about how thrifty TS was and how she shopped at consignment stores?

Traveling twice a year to your family in the North East- do you consider that extravagant?

I really want to know and I appreciate you explaining.

to me homeschool is a MOM choice I don't think Dads care if they are home schooled or not.

go back and listen to the interviews.
Teresa gave LOT... I think a lot of money was donated to many organizations.
shopping at goodwill dosent make any difference.
she gave to causes.
I'm not saying she spent money on herself.

Coins are collected by millions of ppl in the world! Coins stamps paper money
the guns were left to him by his father I believe whats the big deal about that?
amo goes in guns.
TS had a lic .
Ts had a gun.

TS was the business woman in the home. I do think she went more places than jusr traveling to the north east 2 times a year and she went on her own .

JMO

IMO they were trying to market her and her practice I think a lot of money went out.
I don't think either of them spent on themselves.

 

[SurfieTX]

Originally, Mark and the girls were supposed to return on Wednesday, July 1, 2015. TS had made arrangements with AM to watch the children the next day on July 2, 2015. Does anyone know why the babysitter was needed?

 

[Eileen730]

It is a job and a very important one, I agree.

I know that some of the comments are harsh but we shouldn't take it personal. I am a stay at home mom- my kids are in school and they are 12, 14 and 16.

I could get a job but I want to be the one to see them off in the mornings, the one to pick them up after school. I want to be able to drop what I'm doing at a moments notice to pick them up if they're sick. I want to be engaged, aware and know what they are doing, how they are feeling and who their friends are.

Mark is different- IMO. I am not controlling. The more people that love my kids and spend time with them- the better. My kids go away to overnight camps, take turns visiting and staying with family and their cousins. I travel internationally on occasion and so does my husband- for pleasure and enrichment. There is a control emanating from Mark Sievers that is not healthy for the girls and it does nothing to make him appear innocent.

If he is innocent he doesn't have to speak to police. If he's innocent why wouldn't he let the girls at least be interviewed- they are not suspects for god sake and why not give LE their DNA and hand prints so those can be ruled out as belonging to the perp!

Why wouldn't he be turning to Teresa's family in private? There have been men in the past whose wife's families have stood by them and proclaimed their innocence, as well.

Nothing Mark is doing outside of not cooperating with police make him look innocent or the victim! IMOO

Where did we come up with the fact Mark is controlling?
I don't think anyone controlled Teresa.

 

[Eileen730]

Originally, Mark and the girls were supposed to return on Wednesday, July 1, 2015. TS had made arrangements with AM to watch the children the next day on July 2, 2015. Does anyone know why the babysitter was needed?

didn't they have some business deal that day with LS?
If I remember correctly!

 

[Eileen730]

Usually we see them on TV crying, begging, pleading for help in finding who killed their loved one.

I know we see parents begging for their children to be returned but we don't even see that anymore.

 

[Helper9693]

About the only thing I agree with from the devil's advocate side of this...is that there was rage in the killing. That would be JRR...plenty of evidence in his Facebook posts from the poor woman subjected to his "rough sex" tendencies..He obviously had no problem inflicting pain on woman...I'm sure that's why CWW brought him in to do this murder for hire for his best friend MS. JMO

 

[Eileen730]

On the burner phone? Did I miss that?

On some phone!
I thought that was right after the brother from another message!

 

[TrueCrimeAddict55]

I have no idea why he lied about the ins. Maybe he forgot! Remember the man has NO memory from what I read. Maybe he was afraid to say anything. INS does not mean he killed her.
I think he was keeping all his information about divorce and TS on his burner phone. Because his phone was work related to her practice I'm sure she used it so he got another.
I think CWW told JRR things MS never told CWW
Like I said...I don't know if he had anything at all to do with this. things all point to him but sometimes things are not as they appear.
the only things I have seen LE says are he is in the envelope of suspicion and they THINK he maybe had something to do with this.
I would like to see some facts.... then I will get off my fence...
this entire case since day one to me was NOT a hit. Hey I could be wrong. but I really hope I'm wright.

At least I give u all someone to argue with !!!! lol No hard feelings..

All the facts gathered are circumstantial so far.
Most murder for hires they rat each other out.


Alll JMO

That's the beauty of this forum, we can all express our opinions and it's a beautiful thing.

JMO - my opinion is the complete opposite of yours, although I did have the same opinion as you for approximately 18 hours after the crime was committed.

What completely changed my mind was the simple account with the greedy 1 MILLION dollar goal posted day after day by MS on his FB publicly with the phrase "DONATE NOW!"

I've seen a lot of accounts (as we all have) and that is the ONLY 1 I've ever seen with that high of a goal. Even after the goal was reduced, it was still the highest amount I've ever seen for a .

The mere fact that MS said a few days later that all the money would be donated to GS ministry also was a red flag to me. I'm all for donating to a worthy cause, however, I believe that one should be able to choose what charity they are donating to. That's just a few days after the account was set up, MS changed it to the donation which made me think he was trying to deflect any idea of the crime off of him. Then just a few days later, TS's siblings said they were taking over the account and the donations were not going to the ministry, the money would be used for their daughters. To me, it just screamed a lot of conflict and control issues. The last post for the account by MS was on July 12th , the same day that a search warrant was issued ( I believe) for his condominium in Missouri. Pure coincidence? I think not. This was also the day after the raid on CWW's place.

How convenient too that MS just happened to be out of town when this happened. They call this a crime of passion because of the overkill aspect. We've seen it time and time again where the victim was brutally murdered over hate. Yes..it could be that CWW hated TS, however, IMO, this hate was directed by MS.

Let's add to the fact that LE took his van as evidence and did not take her car.

Then on the day of her funeral, he was seen at the office throwing out fax machines and printers.

This is all during the first week after the crime was committed.

I also feel we have not seen any evidence against him because LE is holding the evidence until he is arrested.

ALL IMO

 

[SurfieTX]

didn't they have some business deal that day with LS?
If I remember correctly!

On the case calendar, it is noted that LS and TS were supposed to sign a contract with a PR firm on Monday, June 29, 2015, which is the day TS was found murdered. TS would be working from 8:30 to 3:00 on Thursday, July 2, 2015. So, I guess whatever it was involved Mark somehow?