Silly String Birthday Party

[JaneInOz]

Trust me, only Darlie and her supporters are the only one convinced that Darlie 's 16 stories are true and that she is innocent. Other people who take evidence over self serving stories are rest assured this conviction is safe.

Cyber seriously have a read of the *evidence* on the post Should Darlie Get a new trialyou might change your mind...

I agree that evidence must be the focus, but when the evidence is distorted, missing, ambiguous, interfered with, then I say that evidence is not 100 percent safe and should be re looked at.

The silly string episode is a minute portion of the big picture.

Do you actually think that the Darlie supporters as you call us support her because ? why ? I cant think of one reason I would support this woman for any reason other than I don't believe she did it 100 percent - in fact its a long way from 100 percent.. in fact there is not much of me that believes she did it...
And thats based on the Evidence, the evidence that is not there....

Do you think I would actually support someone who brutally stabbed their children ? think about it ...why would I do that ?

Im in Australia a long way away from Darlie...

My beef is that she is on Death Row and the evidence is sketchy, the evidence was interfered with and there is evidence not accounted for and evidence not taken ..

Should someone be put to death without 100 percent clean investigation and 100 percent evidence with no interference and with a 100 percent clear trial ?

 

[Kitty5001]

the evidence was interfered with and there is evidence not accounted for and evidence not taken ..

What evidence are you refering to that was not accounted for and not taken? There was ooodles and ooodles of evidence taken and accounted for.

ask yourself this logically-
Who comes into a house for no motive, unarmed, reaches past all the jewelry sitting inches from the knife that was taken from the home owners own knife block and stabs the boys deep and brutally and leaves the mom alive with wounds not even close to that deep who 'can't remember, see or hear' both her boys being stabbed as they lay right at her feet- only later for investigators to establish that the screen was cut from the inside with no trace of a single drop of blood found leaving the house or away from the house? really? and she did NOT do it? :doh:

 

[JaneInOz]

the evidence was interfered with and there is evidence not accounted for and evidence not taken ..

What evidence are you refering to that was not accounted for and not taken? There was ooodles and ooodles of evidence taken and accounted for.

ask yourself this logically-
Who comes into a house for no motive, unarmed, reaches past all the jewelry sitting inches from the knife that was taken from the home owners own knife block and stabs the boys deep and brutally and leaves the mom alive with wounds not even close to that deep who 'can't remember, see or hear' both her boys being stabbed as they lay right at her feet- only later for investigators to establish that the screen was cut from the inside with no trace of a single drop of blood found leaving the house or away from the house? really? and she did NOT do it? :doh:

Any reason you are asking all that in BOLD ? is that the same as all Capitals ? ie yelling ?

Im not going to write it all out here again. Everything is on the Should Darlie get a new trial thread and Did Darlie do it thread.

This thread was really about the Silly string Episode.

And in fact as everyone has made such a point of stating that Darlie asked the media there for it, dont you think it very ODD that she would not use that to her advantage and sob and wail to turn it on for the media ?

I agree with many here that I would be anesthetized with any and every drug that the doctor gave me - but different people do things differently.
I am constantly shocked by what people do differently to me and how they react differently to me.

It doesn't therefore cement the case that she is a murderer because she does something so different to me or you...People in
Grief react differently.
I know someone whose boss's parent died and he went and holed himself up in a hotel for 2 days drinking smoking cigars and utilizing the services of shall we say a escort service COMPLETELY out of Character for that person.
And no one could find him !

Let me ask a question to all those adamant she did it - If she is put to death and a year two years whatever later it is turned out 100% absolutely that she did not commit this heinous crime how will you feel ?
When a second Trial could have proven that all along ?

 

[whitywendy]

Any reason you are asking all that in BOLD ? is that the same as all Capitals ? ie yelling ?

Im not going to write it all out here again. Everything is on the Should Darlie get a new trial thread and Did Darlie do it thread.

This thread was really about the Silly string Episode.

And in fact as everyone has made such a point of stating that Darlie asked the media there for it, dont you think it very ODD that she would not use that to her advantage and sob and wail to turn it on for the media ?

I agree with many here that I would be anesthetized with any and every drug that the doctor gave me - but different people do things differently.
I am constantly shocked by what people do differently to me and how they react differently to me.

It doesn't therefore cement the case that she is a murderer because she does something so different to me or you...People in
Grief react differently.
I know someone whose boss's parent died and he went and holed himself up in a hotel for 2 days drinking smoking cigars and utilizing the services of shall we say a escort service COMPLETELY out of Character for that person.
And no one could find him !

Let me ask a question to all those adamant she did it - If she is put to death and a year two years whatever later it is turned out 100% absolutely that she did not commit this heinous crime how will you feel ?
When a second Trial could have proven that all along ?

Okay now, we don't need to get our panties in wad. This thread for some reason has always been a HOTBED for attitude. I must admit there has been times that I have had this attitude also but now since WS has changed, we have been asked to me more respectable to each other. Cyberlaw wasn't being ugly or rude in that post. We need to leave past experiences on this board in the past. We really don't need to provoke each other. Us anti's have spent countless hours researching the transcripts and not going by just Darlie's spin. Reason I say this is because the same points they have listed are the same ones that you keep throwing out there. Spinning the actual evidence.

IF Darlie did not do this..now is her chance to prove it. I am sure we will get our answer when the DNA testing is complete.

And NO I do not believe it will come back showing an evil intruder decided to take away the lives of a 5 and 6 year old child for NOTHING.

 

[Kitty5001]

Any reason you are asking all that in BOLD ? is that the same as all Capitals ? ie yelling ?

Im not going to write it all out here again. Everything is on the Should Darlie get a new trial thread and Did Darlie do it thread.

This thread was really about the Silly string Episode.

And in fact as everyone has made such a point of stating that Darlie asked the media there for it, dont you think it very ODD that she would not use that to her advantage and sob and wail to turn it on for the media ?

I agree with many here that I would be anesthetized with any and every drug that the doctor gave me - but different people do things differently.
I am constantly shocked by what people do differently to me and how they react differently to me.

It doesn't therefore cement the case that she is a murderer because she does something so different to me or you...People in
Grief react differently.
I know someone whose boss's parent died and he went and holed himself up in a hotel for 2 days drinking smoking cigars and utilizing the services of shall we say a escort service COMPLETELY out of Character for that person.
And no one could find him !

Let me ask a question to all those adamant she did it - If she is put to death and a year two years whatever later it is turned out 100% absolutely that she did not commit this heinous crime how will you feel ?
When a second Trial could have proven that all along ?

Jane-
The print was bolded because my bold was locked on, if I were yelling I would have CAPS LOCKED everything.

No one has just hung poor Darlie out because of her rediculous, inappropriate antics at the gravesite it was because of many many many different peices of actual evidence- not speculation or her reactions or even what she did after or before-but just straight off the forensic evidence. That alone is enough -unless you are in denial -what helps (and I even used to be on the fence) is take a peice of paper and on one side write down why she could not have done it then on the other write down what proves she did it-then go back and cross off all of the 'emotional' answers and see what you have left for the facts. Play both sides with a logical mind not and take the emotion out and once you lay out the evidence peice by peice then you will understand. You cannot do this however based on what you have 'heard' happened or did not happen. You have to read ALL of the transcripts for yourself to peice it together. there are way too many spins on it from everyside to be objective.

 

[MomofBoys]

this woman for any reason other than I don't believe she did it 100 percent - in fact its a long way from 100 percent.. in fact there is not much of me that believes she did it...
And thats based on the Evidence, the evidence that is not there....

I have to say that I'm a relative newcomer to this case, but I've been a voracious reader and have become obsessed with the transcripts, pictures, blood evidence, etc.

Darlie's team would have to pull out AMAZING evidence to have this overturned. Evidence that they haven't been able to pull out so far over years and years.

The fact that an author can so carefully and methodically lay out evidence of her guilt and then overturn it merely on pictures of bruises? Makes no sense to me. That's something you'd use if you were on the fence or in complete denial of her guilt.

The bruises don't outweigh everything else. They just don't. You can cause bruises on yourself. You cannot apparate through a screen. You can't drip blood underneath an obstacle. You can't assign motive to a stranger who did nothing but overkill a couple of young children.

The circumstansial evidence alone is overwhelming; you get into the blood and it is about open-and-shut as any case I've ever followed.

In terms of belief of guilt, for me, Darlie rests just below Casey Anthony and right above Patsy Ramsey. That's one sandwich of which you don't want to be a part.

 

[CyberLaw]

First of all - I don't shoot people down. I point out reason, facts and logic, along with irrefutable evidence. I don't "pick" on people nor do I feel I need to "make anyone feel any negatives feelins" when discussing a case or thread. That is just not a nice thing to do. But I do take contrary views to others, but in a nice way. But rehasing "old" views" that have not changed, due to no new evidence is getting a tad old.

There is no need for Britlaws to concerned about another person on this thread with "law" in their "hat" as we both may know what QC means and how much work being called to the bar is.

But, notwithstanding that.

When I look at any story, situation, crime, or anything else. I look to see if this situation or incident follows logic and reasoning. I used logic and reasoning a lot more when it comes to evidence then "believing" a person's story. That is what Cross Exam is for. I look to see if this makes "sense" because if it does not make "sense" then it is a lie.

Now if anyone still believes that Darlie was a "grieving" mother as she claimed, that she had "nothing" to do with the murders,was a "victim" herself of the "unknown" intruder would have just have to look at the "video" to "see and hear" contradictory" evidence.Darlie is not being truthful and low and behold she is on trial on the murder of her two boys.

She claims that she had nothing to do with the murders, but here she is a mere week after the murder, happy, smiling, all "dolled" up, casual, smaking gum, dressed in "Texas" picnic cut off shorts. Just the appearance a mere week after the murders. Now the people on the jury say to themselves, "Here is a "grieving" mother on this tape, nope sure don't look that way to me. Me either. People will put themselves in "Darlie" situation and "think to thmselves "what they would have looked like and act like" at the graves fo their two murdered children if they "had" not killed them. Then they look to the women on trial, giving evidence and in the video. They use common sense and their brains.

So ladies and gents this is called "contradictory" evidence or rebutal evidence when Darlie testified on direct.

Any lawyer who wants to win a case would use the tape. Of course the defence must have tried their very very best to have the tape supressed, but again, Darlie invited the press for the video to be made public. Fat chance that anyone would win a supression hearing for that tape.

But the "illegal" tape and I mean "illegal" could never be used and never will be made public. Poison from the tree. The reason's LE took the 5th, well because it is as if the tape did not exist. If they admit to the tape under oath, say goodbye to your pension and career. I cna't believe the cops did this, but I am sure the DA was not happy.

So does anyone still think that this tape is the only deciding factor in this case, do you really think that this "jury" especially after listening to the "Crowns" or District Attorney's summation.

Please.......you would have to defy, fact, evidence, logic, reasoning, common sense to believe that this tape was the "deciding" factor in this case, because so many other people who have reviewed all of the "other" evidence in this case, knows that this tape "is only one brick" in the wall in the case against Darlie.

The only thing this tape "proved" is to contrdict Darlie. To show the "true" Darlie in a "candid" media moment as if "Darlie" somehow "loved" the attention of "being" on TV and the "celebrity" of her little town.

Somehow she forgot how she got there, but no one else did.

 

[Crow_Ascending]

Good post Cyber, but actually the tape was ruled as legally obtained by a court after Darlie's trial At the time of her trial, the matter of the legallity of the tape was in question and the officers were advised to take the Fifth until the matter was settled. The tape was never released in full, but parts of it have been shown. There is nothing incriminating in the parts I've seen. Just a family group, most of them with their backs to the camera.

 

[CyberLaw]

What is the premises of the tape not being released in full if it was ruled that it was legally obtained.

Why where only "portions" of of the tape released that "show" nothing. There may be some relevance in the section that were not released, or were they "benign" also.

 

[Crow_Ascending]

It's public record now and can be released. I guess neither the defense nor the prosecution sees any point to the release since there was no audio and all it shows is some family and friends, mostly from the back. The service by the gravesite was not 'hours long' as is claimed, though.

 

[CyberLaw]

So the "hours" long "very sad" grieving" service for the two boys is not supported by the tape.

Gee, I am shocked, just shocked. Yet another lie. But she was still dressed in "inappropriate" clothing for a "very sad" religious service. If there was any type of "formal" service to begin with.

No probative value to the tape.

 

[2goldfish]

as far as the video - I cannot find it anywhere and have never seen it - can anyone kindly link?! :blowkiss:

 

[JaneInOz]

Quote:
Originally Posted by JaneInOz View Post
Any reason you are asking all that in BOLD ? is that the same as all Capitals ? ie yelling ?

Im not going to write it all out here again. Everything is on the Should Darlie get a new trial thread and Did Darlie do it thread.

This thread was really about the Silly string Episode.

And in fact as everyone has made such a point of stating that Darlie asked the media there for it, dont you think it very ODD that she would not use that to her advantage and sob and wail to turn it on for the media ?

I agree with many here that I would be anesthetized with any and every drug that the doctor gave me - but different people do things differently.
I am constantly shocked by what people do differently to me and how they react differently to me.

It doesn't therefore cement the case that she is a murderer because she does something so different to me or you...People in
Grief react differently.
I know someone whose boss's parent died and he went and holed himself up in a hotel for 2 days drinking smoking cigars and utilizing the services of shall we say a escort service COMPLETELY out of Character for that person.
And no one could find him !

Let me ask a question to all those adamant she did it - If she is put to death and a year two years whatever later it is turned out 100% absolutely that she did not commit this heinous crime how will you feel ?
When a second Trial could have proven that all along ?

Okay now, we don't need to get our panties in wad. This thread for some reason has always been a HOTBED for attitude. I must admit there has been times that I have had this attitude also but now since WS has changed, we have been asked to me more respectable to each other. Cyberlaw wasn't being ugly or rude in that post. We need to leave past experiences on this board in the past. We really don't need to provoke each other. Us anti's have spent countless hours researching the transcripts and not going by just Darlie's spin. Reason I say this is because the same points they have listed are the same ones that you keep throwing out there. Spinning the actual evidence.

IF Darlie did not do this..now is her chance to prove it. I am sure we will get our answer when the DNA testing is complete.

And NO I do not believe it will come back showing an evil intruder decided to take away the lives of a 5 and 6 year old child for NOTHING.

Ok I'm not sure why you are quoting me ? I didn't respond to cyberlaw ??

I was asking Kitty if she was yelling at me by using all bolds, and it was a genuine question, Ive not seen a computer where the bold can be locked down ??

In regards to this topic being a hotbed, I havent been rude or nasty to anyone in here, I have stated my opinion and been poo poo'd for it from a number of people.

If you believe Darlie is guilty well thats fine.

But there is no need for anyone to be sarcastic, use smileys to be rude or anything else.

There is plenty of Fors and Againsts for lots of people who have been charged with a crime - everyone handles the topic with respect and I do not see why this Case has to be different.

I believe Darlie should get a new Trial. I have read the transcripts.

I read the other day that Jury's find it VERY hard to give the DP to a woman.
And now that I have read that some jurors feel remorse for giving her the DP and convicting her I have to ask why ?

And I have followed up on the suggestion that it was *jurors remorse* and accordingly I do not believe this was the case with these jurors from what I have read and seen.

In regards to the silly string episode I wanted to re discover it because It has been stated numerous times that she was largely convicted DUE TO that episode in conjunction with other things , yes, But this was in the Jurys head all the time....

Can I just ask that we discuss this nicely in a calm and friendly manner please ?

I would hate to see the DR forums taken away again

 

[CyberLaw]

\When the jurors saw the silly string video and then looked at the mother on the witness stand saying that "she misses" her two sons, that she grieves every day, that she did not know who would do this and she is sad beyond belief. Lets just say in a nutshell that is the conclusion of her testimony.

Then look at the "visual" tape and see a situation that is different and not in keeping with the "grieving" mother story.

That would stay in my mind also, as I saw and heard on video the "true" personality of the criminal. Not the "static" reports, nor the testimony of the blood expert, the nurses, cops, etc.

But I saw and heard this tape so it would "imprint" on my mind more so then other evidence.

But again, this tape was just one small piece of evidence against Darlie and a damning one at that.

The problem with the people that support Darlie, is that they have no evidence that the "stranger" entered the house. Not one piece of evidence that supports Darlie's story. Because you cannot produce fictional evidence for a fictional story. it does not exist.

But the evidence suppporting Darlie's conviction is overwhelming, that is why she was convicted.

I know sometimes juries "suffer" remorse when they sentence a person to death. They know this. Often they feel responsible for sending a person to death. But if there was ever a case that deserved the death penalty(which I don't support, by the way)it would be this one.

Even if the silly string video was never shown, there was still plently of evidence that lead to the conviction of Darlie. Nothwithstanding the silly string tape.

 

[crystalmama]

As I said on another thread about the silly string video.......if Darlie had lost her boys in what could be called normal deaths, that is, by cancer, or by a long illness, then maybe you could accept her being joyful for Devon that he was to celebrate his birthday in heaven.That he as released from earthly pain.
But she didn't lose them that way.
She had them ripped from her life by a vile act of murder, a murder so foul that people today still can't come to the terms of it.
That little Devon who was having the birthday should have been running excitedly around the place with his brother getting ready for his cake and party.
But he wasn't.
He was lying cold and dead hand in hand with his beloved brother under six feet of earth.
If Darlie can find something to celebrate in that then I am afraid she is a real sicko.

 

[CyberLaw]

Crystalmama - I think a lot of people who saw that tape have similar feelings and views that you do. You expressed your views very well.

How could a Mother who's two young boys were brutally stabbed to death in their own home, while they slept be happy and joyful at their graves celebrating a birthday that will never come again. Celebrating a birth of a dead murdered child.

I think at that point, Darlie "thought" she had gotten away with double murder and she thought the Police would believe her story without question. Well, the evidence did not support the story and the rest is history.

To think that this women is so disturbed that she wanted the public to see her on TV "partying" at the graves, is beyond the pale.

Oh how I wish I was in OZ today, as it is summer, here it is very, very cold as in -17C with the wind child -29C. Frostbite weather.

 

[JaneInOz]

My question to you now is if you are so adamant that she is guilty then why will it bother you if she has a new trial ? if the evidence is so overwhelmingly clear cut as you say then surely a new trial won't matter

(lets put away costs of trials and things - that isn't the point here - because I am sure at the end of the day, money aside if someone *was* innocent you would rather them not die right ?)

So my point is this, as the silly string graveside episode was so *disturbing* to the Jury and Viewers alike and as they made their judgement they carried that *disturbing* thought in their heads along with the photos of the two slain , bloodied, little boys bodies - images - in their heads and came up with Guilty.

If that had not have been shown as putting Darlie in front of them as a partying , dancing , non grieving mother on their graves then it might have been harder....

That is my sole point to this entire thread.

I just want a new trial. Because I believe this was a very unjust one. And isn't everyone entitled to a fair and just trial ?

 

[accordn2me]

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I just want a new trial. Because I believe this was a very unjust one. And isn't everyone entitled to a fair and just trial ?

:clap: Yes!

Hopefully, if she gets a new trial, she will get a better lawyer too! The job Mulder did for her was a sin & a shame!

 

[txanmom]

does anyone have a link to the video of the silly string? or the 911 call? i have tried googling but cannot find a working link. i vaguely recall seeing this many years ago but cannot remember clearly.

also are there any updates on the dna testing done in june 2008. again cannot find anything on my own.

just finished reading the book "Hush Little Babies" and it gave me serious questions, but i would like to view the video and hear the call as well as read the transcripts when i can to make up my mind completely.

tysmia!!

 

[JaneInOz]

does anyone have a link to the video of the silly string? or the 911 call? i have tried googling but cannot find a working link. i vaguely recall seeing this many years ago but cannot remember clearly.

also are there any updates on the dna testing done in june 2008. again cannot find anything on my own.

just finished reading the book "Hush Little Babies" and it gave me serious questions, but i would like to view the video and hear the call as well as read the transcripts when i can to make up my mind completely.

tysmia!!

Hi

Here is the 911 call http://www.fordarlieroutier.org/HerProof/CourtTV.html
scroll down and click on the link

This is the latest re the dna testing that I have seen http://www.fordarlieroutier.org/

its right on the front there

And here are the Trial Transcripts http://www.justicefordarlie.net/transcripts.php