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[JMO8778]

It is hardly true that "every individual may act differently". Human beings are creatures of habit in all of its forms. MOST OF THE TIME, when a parent loses a child, especially as brutally as this, the parent loses it in some form or another. The Ramseys actions from the beginning begs the question - what more do they know. So that argument, people act differently, is old, used and abused.

yes,IMO,that's just an excuse.(to ignore odd behavior in a case like this,which is just what the R's want).

IMO..all the little things...not telling police to lay low,not searching for JB,not being concerned when a KN didnt call by 10am...add up.(and trying to leave town asap...i could go on...)
No one said the R's should have stayed all night at the morgue..they could have escorted her,then came back the next morning.They seemed too unconcerned and uncurious as to what happened to JB.

 

[Nuisanceposter]

Here's a link on search warrants:

http://criminal.findlaw.com/articles/1493.html

I wish someone would find out why Steve Thomas thought he had to go to Alex Hunter to obtain a warrant or if he did, why?

Like I said, this case was not run by the books. What happens in every other child kidnapping/murder investigation was not happening in the Ramsey case. Even if other cases go through a judge, that does mean that was the standard in this case. I'm entirely certain that if Thomas could have gone to a judge to get the search warrants he needed, he would have.

 

[snowqueen]

No, that's not all. You also post in the same manner as that person does, preferring to comment on other comments rather than add info on your own, and have commented more than once on the need for links and usage of IMO, just like she always does. Just like a veteran of CTV. General attitude is similar, and you and her have posted on the two boards around the same time today. And that's not a question too many people think of asking, either. You and the other person are the only two people I have ever seen ask about it. It's good question, though, and one I'd like to hear an answer to.

She must be a really nice person. I'd like to "meet" her.

 

[snowqueen]

Like I said, this case was not run by the books. What happens in every other child kidnapping/murder investigation was not happening in the Ramsey case. Even if other cases go through a judge, that does mean that was the standard in this case. I'm entirely certain that if Thomas could have gone to a judge to get the search warrants he needed, he would have.

FYI here is a link that shows one of the warrants issued in the case and it was signed by a judge (this is page 9 of the warrant).

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/search9.html

I'll look for more.

Where did you get the idea that only Alex Hunter could issue warrants in this case?

 

[snowqueen]

Of course this is for the state of MI, but here is another warrant that was signed by a judge:


http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/michigan1.html

 

[Solace]

I'm really not sure, but there are some who might say because Alex Hunter would not approve the search warrants required to which I would say why did he go to Alex Hunter in the first place since search warrants are usually acquired from judges......at which point I would get no response.

What do you think?

Well then let me respond to you. The DA, that is the district attorney, is the one who needs to go to the judge, the police go to the DA and the DA okays going to the Judge, get it now? So, here we have Alex Hunter, the DA, who nixes just about everything that Steve Thomas asks for.

I ask you again. Why do you think that is?

In case you don't understand. Here is how it works. The police do the footwork and convince the DA they have enough to go to a jury, enough to indict, enought to lock up. The DA then says I agree, I disagree. If they agree, they okay the warrant that the POLICE is asking for.

 

[snowqueen]

Well then let me respond to you. The DA, that is the district attorney, is the one who needs to go to the judge, the police go to the DA and the DA okays going to the Judge, get it now? So, here we have Alex Hunter, the DA, who nixes just about everything that Steve Thomas asks for.

I ask you again. Why do you think that is?

In case you don't understand. Here is how it works. The police do the footwork and convince the DA they have enough to go to a jury, enough to indict, enought to lock up. The DA then says I agree, I disagree. If they agree, they okay the warrant that the POLICE is asking for.

That is not what this link says.........


http://criminal.findlaw.com/articles/1493.html

And we aren't talking of "indicting" someone - we're still in the investigation stage here.........

 

[Solace]

And you are entitled to your opinion.

Snowqueen. Is that your answer, that I am entitled to my opinion. We already know that. What else do you have to say to my post or are you at a loss for words because it is looking clearer and clearer that Mr. and Mrs. Ramsey are not quite telling the whole truth here.

 

[Solace]

And you are entitled to your opinion.

Snowqueen. Is that your answer, that I am entitled to my opinion. We already know that. What else do you have to say to my post or are you at a loss for words because it is looking clearer and clearer that Mr. and Mrs. Ramsey are not quite telling the whole truth here.

 

[snowqueen]

Snowqueen. Is that your answer, that I am entitled to my opinion. We already know that. What else do you have to say to my post or are you at a loss for words because it is looking clearer and clearer that Mr. and Mrs. Ramsey are not quite telling the whole truth here.

That was a nice way of saying "I don't agree with you and I don't want to spend time responding to your points."

Don't you know by now that I am never at a loss for words?

 

[Solace]

That is not what this link says.........


http://criminal.findlaw.com/articles/1493.html

And we aren't talking of "indicting" someone - we're still in the investigation stage here.........

Snowqueen. The DA is the lawyer doing the work for the police. The DA goes to the judge after speaking with the police who must convince the DA that there is enough to speak for a warrant. You don't think the police acts as the state's lawyer do you? The district attorney does. Come on Snowqueen. I know you can understand this.

 

[snowqueen]

Snowqueen. The DA is the lawyer doing the work for the police. The DA goes to the judge after speaking with the police who must convince the DA that there is enough to speak for a warrant. You don't think the police acts as the state's lawyer do you? The district attorney does. Come on Snowqueen. I know you can understand this.

Please don't try to give me lessons about things that you know no more about than I do. Do you honestly believe a DA look at EVERY search warrant that is issued?

Read the link - it's in BIG letters - HOW POLICE OBTAIN SEARCH WARRANTS.......

 

[Nuisanceposter]

Where did you get the idea that only Alex Hunter could issue warrants in this case?

Call me naive, but I seriously believe that if Thomas could have gone to anyone else to obtain the warrants he was after, he would have.

 

[snowqueen]

Call me naive, but I seriously believe that if Thomas could have gone to anyone else to obtain the warrants he was after, he would have.

So is this something Steve claimed?

 

[Solace]

So is this something Steve claimed?

Hush Sweet Charlotte, and listen and learn.

The police are not lawyers. They do the footwork. They go to the District Attorney. The district attorney says "this is enough or it is not enough". I do not want to look like a fool in front of a judge so make sure you give me enough to WARRANT A WARRANT.

If the District Attorney, lets say Alex Hunter for example feels Steve Thomas has given him enough, he will say okay we will get the subpoena. Most of the time Alex said no.

So again, why do you feel that is?

 

[Solace]

Please don't try to give me lessons about things that you know no more about than I do. Do you honestly believe a DA look at EVERY search warrant that is issued? That is why they have many ASSISTANT DAS. Come on SQ, this is too easy.

Read the link - it's in BIG letters - HOW POLICE OBTAIN SEARCH WARRANTS.......

They are assuming you would understand what I am saying.

 

[snowqueen]

http://criminal.findlaw.com/articles/1493.html

How Police Obtain Search Warrants

Police officers obtain search warrants by convincing a judge or magistrate that they have " probable cause" to believe that criminal activity is occurring at the place to be searched or that evidence of a crime may be found there. Usually, the police provide the judge or magistrate with information in the form of written statements under oath, called "affidavits," which report either their own observations or those of private citizens or police undercover informants. If the magistrate believes that the affidavit establishes probable cause to conduct a search, he or she will issue a warrant.


And I'm assuming whoever wrote the article knew what they were talking about.

 

[Solace]

http://criminal.findlaw.com/articles/1493.html

How Police Obtain Search Warrants

Police officers obtain search warrants by convincing a judge or magistrate that they have " probable cause" to believe that criminal activity is occurring at the place to be searched or that evidence of a crime may be found there. Usually, the police provide the judge or magistrate with information in the form of written statements under oath, called "affidavits," which report either their own observations or those of private citizens or police undercover informants. If the magistrate believes that the affidavit establishes probable cause to conduct a search, he or she will issue a warrant.


And I'm assuming whoever wrote the article knew what they were talking about.

Do you think the Detective just goes to Court and starts giving information. His probable cause is introduced by the District Attorney who is going to take this case on, most of the time in the Judge's chambers.. Come on SnowQueen, you are starting to make me nervous. You are worse than a difficult teenager.

 

[snowqueen]

http://www.answers.com/topic/search-warrant

To obtain a search warrant, an officer must personally appear before, or speak directly with, a judge or magistrate. The officer must present information that establishes probable cause to believe that a search would yield evidence related to a crime. Probable cause exists when an officer has either personal knowledge or trustworthy hearsay from an informant or witness. The officer must fill out an affidavit stating with particularity the person to be seized and searched, the area to be searched, and the objects sought. The warrant need not specify the manner in which the search will be executed.

 

[Solace]

Admit it - you don't know what you are talking about. You have never seen a police official present his/her findings to a judge? You think the only person that is capable of/allowed to speak to a judge is a DA? Speaking of a teenager....

Ahh Snowqueen. You child you. You want to believe this, please do. It is simply not true. But if it makes your argument sound better, than so be it. Alex Hunter would not okay any subpoenas, or warrants, or anything else, his words It is not my style to okay a warrant for Patsy's arrest to make her talk; in fact he made the detectives reword them ad nauseum, every which way but up and still did not accept them.

You don't want to talk about this case. You want to win. In order to do that, you need to know what you are talking about.