Size 12-14 Bloomies "modelled"

[sandraladeda]

I've often wondered if he joined the coverup that morning not out of love for Patsy, but because he suspected she'd made him an unwilling accomplice and he was being extremely cautious. That note was full of threats and he knew who wrote it the instant he saw it.

Then when the medical evidence came out - the vaginal injury, the massive head blow - he was trapped. If he tried to turn Patsy in and extricate himself, who would believe him? And if she used his shirt to add fibers...

I wonder if incriminating John was Patsy's Plan B, in case the intruder thing didn't take.

IMO, this is a charade that could not have held up for all these years. IMO, if JR was not involved yet suspected PR, he could not have stayed married to her all these years.

 

[sandraladeda]

By the way, Jayelles, oustanding job on the model! I am so impressed.

I think this should be sent in to the BPD, maybe light a fire under the donut-munching layabouts who are actively NOT investigating JBRs murder...

Seriously. Send it to them! Show them what real detectives do!

 

[Eagle1]

Yeah, would ST, also BPD, be interested in seeing at least one of the pictures, with a link to the others? There's an email address for ST at FFJ.

Seems to me NuisancePoster is right that PR purchased the larger panties for use with the Pull-Ups. I was away when this thread was being done and missed it until now, the 11th, will get to bump it up.

I think you did a good job helping us "get the picture" firmly in our mind's eye, Jayelles. (Another eye operation, yikes!)

 

[BBB167893]

"I hate to state the obvious, but what the hell is wrong with the BPD/prosecutors office that they can't figure out what a group of (clever) amateurs can here at WS?"

How much time do you have, sandraladeda?

"What the heck was their explanation as to where the pack was unearthed? Were they even questioned on this?"

Yeah, the August 2000 interviews. They said that their PIs had it. And DID NOT turn it in! Boy, what a quest for their daughter's killer!

"IMO, this is a charade that could not have held up for all these years. IMO, if JR was not involved yet suspected PR, he could not have stayed married to her all these years."

Don't be so sure. He ruined his first marriage only to marry a monster? How easy would that be for YOU to admit?

"I think this should be sent in to the BPD, maybe light a fire under the donut-munching layabouts who are actively NOT investigating JBRs murder..."

BPD got the case TAKEN from them, sandra. The DA has it now. Why? Because Woody shook them down. He'll regret that, if I have my way.

"Seriously. Send it to them! Show them what real detectives do!"

I say do it!

"Yeah, would ST, also BPD, be interested in seeing at least one of the pictures, with a link to the others? There's an email address for ST at FFJ."

What could they do with it, Eagle1?

 

[Eagle1]

Probably nothing. Just joining in. What the heck? I think it'd be interesting to me if I were them.

 

[BBB167893]

I agree. But I say send it to the DA.

 

[Eagle1]

I agree. But I say send it to the DA.

Probably a very good idea. How about send it to all of the above as another experiment, to see if they want any of our probably-laughable-to-them help? Well, they didn't solve the case.

Another question, if, as some of us suspect, PR bought the size 12's for JBR to wear over Pull-ups at night, but hesitated this long to start using them, no used Pull-up having been found in the house, also no size 6's, where could they have been disposed of? (Was there only one Pull-Up missing from pkg?)

If by the R's, one of them could have taken these things to some dumpster, but we have no info about either of them leaving the house that night. Snow wasn't sticking to concrete that night, driveways, sidewalks, and probably streets, correct? So maybe someone else had a car there or parked in an absent neighbor's driveway, and left without leaving any trace? There was a rave party down the street, a couple of houses away, I think. Which would be a sort of cover for strange cars.

We've seen the panties, both sizes, modelled, and probably everyone agrees neither PR nor JonBenet would have put them on her unless with a (missing?) Pull-up. If it was an intruder, he was just going by the word Wed., didn't even think about the size, probably assumed it would be normal or the panties wouldn't be where he found them.

Oh darn, I've digressed from my main question, but I hate to erase all this now that I've put it into words.

 

[BBB167893]

"How about send it to all of the above as another experiment, to see if they want any of our probably-laughable-to-them help? Well, they didn't solve the case."

Yeah, they're in no position to dictate to us!

What I don't get, Eagle1, is why an intruder would put the panties on her in the first place?

 

[BBB167893]

yet ANOTHER story change concerning the oversize underwear:

2 Q. Which of those two trips did you

3 purchase the Bloomi's?

4 A. The first trip.

5 Q. Was it something that was selected

6 by JonBenet?

7 A. I believe so.

First Patsy says she picked them out, then she says JB picked them out.

Proof that you CAN have it all!

 

[Darlene733510]

I am trying to figure out why the size 12 panties were put in JB's drawer. She would not wear that size for probably 6 years. Perhaps they weren't even in JB's drawer, and that is why the R's turned them in so much later. If the BPD searched the house and did not find the package of size 12's, I think it is because they weren't in JB's drawer. Maybe they were in P's suitcase.

The size 6 missing ones were probably silk, or a similar fabric, and could probably easily be flushed down the toilet. With such a big house, they could have even been hidden, and disposed of later.

If JR molested JB, could the panties have been in his and PR's bedroom, and when PR found out, she just grabbed the Wed. ones from the package, and put them on JB, or JR put them on her and in a state of panic he didn't realize how big they were.

 

[UKGuy]

I am trying to figure out why the size 12 panties were put in JB's drawer. She would not wear that size for probably 6 years. Perhaps they weren't even in JB's drawer, and that is why the R's turned them in so much later. If the BPD searched the house and did not find the package of size 12's, I think it is because they weren't in JB's drawer. Maybe they were in P's suitcase.

The size 6 missing ones were probably silk, or a similar fabric, and could probably easily be flushed down the toilet. With such a big house, they could have even been hidden, and disposed of later.

If JR molested JB, could the panties have been in his and PR's bedroom, and when PR found out, she just grabbed the Wed. ones from the package, and put them on JB, or JR put them on her and in a state of panic he didn't realize how big they were.

Darlene733510,

None of the BPD know where the size-12's were located because none were discovered during searches as per the warrants.

I believe the toilet system and drains were searched for forensic evidence.

If JR molested JB, could the panties have been in his and PR's bedroom, and when PR found out, she just grabbed the Wed. ones from the package, and put them on JB, or JR put them on her and in a state of panic he didn't realize how big they were.

Excuse the pun, thats about the size of it. The size-12's were to hand so were likely used, but it is really difficult to explain why another size-6 was not used. Something had to deter the redresser, thinking about it, even an older used pair would have done.

Those size-12's are a bizarre feature of this case.


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[narlacat]

But there probably wasn't another 'wednesday' size 6, the only other undies exactly the same but a different size were the ones intended for someone other than JonBenet.

 

[UKGuy]

But there probably wasn't another 'wednesday' size 6, the only other undies exactly the same but a different size were the ones intended for someone other than JonBenet.

narlacat,

I know, this is what makes us realize that a Wednesday pair appeared more important to the stager than the size?

But what is so vital about the Wednesday pair , just who cares? Not only that, why is she wearing any at all.

Was it normal practise for JonBenet to wear that days underwear to bed?

Neither John or Patsy made statements to the effect they saw, or even removed JonBenet's underwear when she was undressed for bed.

So who would care about the Wednesday underwear, to the extent they disregarded the size?


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[truecrime]

narlacat,

I know, this is what makes us realize that a Wednesday pair appeared more important to the stager than the size?

But what is so vital about the Wednesday pair , just who cares? Not only that, why is she wearing any at all.

Was it normal practise for JonBenet to wear that days underwear to bed?

Neither John or Patsy made statements to the effect they saw, or even removed JonBenet's underwear when she was undressed for bed.

So who would care about the Wednesday underwear, to the extent they disregarded the size?



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UK Guy: Only a mother would know.................

 

[rashomon]

And on top of that...seriously - who sends their 12 year old niece a package of underwear for Christmas?

Pretty odd, isn't it?
I personally would never have sent any of my 12-year-old nieces a package of underwear as a Christmas present.
And Patsy Ramsey was a multimillionaire's wife - and would give her niece such a 'mundane' present as underwear?

I believe the size 12 panties were meant to wear over the JB's pull-ups.

 

[UKGuy]

Pretty odd, isn't it?
I personally would never have sent any of my 12-year-old nieces a package of underwear as a Christmas present.
And Patsy Ramsey was a multimillionaire's wife - and would give her niece such a 'mundane' present as underwear?

I believe the size 12 panties were meant to wear over the JB's pull-ups.

rashomon,

Then why did they not say this as it does not detract from the end result?

 

[BBB167893]

"I know, this is what makes us realize that a Wednesday pair appeared more important to the stager than the size?"

I don't argue that, UKGuy.

 

[tumble]

Isn't it strange that the blood(which was verified as JB's) was found in spots with no matching abrasion on the skin. How could the coroner state that about such huge panties. Match a spot on the underware to a spot on the body. The spot couldn't have been placed in the crouch then. Must be somewhere up in the lining.

 

[BBB167893]

Well, there were no external injuries to the genitalia, tumble. We know that.

 

[rashomon]

rashomon,
Then why did they not say this as it does not detract from the end result?

Because it might again have pointed to JB's toileting problems: a six-year-old still wearing pull-ups is definitely weird, and the Ramseys downplayed it all the time.
Whether it was parental rage over JB wetting/soiling herself, or whether her continuing problems with soiling/wetting herself were connected to sexual abuse (I believe they were) - it was in the Ramseys' interest not to direct attention to that issue, which is why I think Patsy lied about the size 12 panties being a present to JB's cousin.

I think they put those panties on JB because it was important to have 'Wednesday' printed on them.