Size 12 Panties

[Shylock]

Many would argue that Patsy's religious zeal represented a type of psychosis. And the children who were subjected to the 'Jesus' banter day-in and day-out were emotionally abused by a slightly 'off' parent.

Religious zeal coupled with her beauty queen psychosis. This was not a normal woman.

 

[Shylock]

If so, no one in the study had to "hurry toward the sound" very far.
Much ado about nothing here, once again.

It's funny how only the Ramsey supporters find Patsy's behaviour to be "much ado about nothing" while the rest of the world finds it unbelieveable that the parent of a missing child wouldn't get off her arse to see what the commotion was when someone was yelling for an ambulance.

Of course, the majority of us know that Patsy was fully aware of what was eventually going to be found in the basement that day.

 

[LovelyPigeon]

If it were true that PR couldn't be bothered to go and see her dead child, it would be worthy of discussion but it's not true.

 

[Shylock]

If it were true that PR couldn't be bothered to go and see her dead child, it would be worthy of discussion but it's not true.

LP, you always have a way of twisting the facts to conform to your mindset. It wasn't a matter of "PR couldn't be bothered to go and see her dead child". At that point and time PR supposedly didn't know what the heck was going on.

Fleet could have been yelling because JR was dying on the floor of a heart attack. PR also knew Burke was over at the White's--maybe Fleet received a call from home and something had happened to Burke. Maybe the big-bad intruder was caught hiding in the basement and Fleet himself was hurt after a struggle. Pick a scenerio--Patsy wouldn't have known about it under REAL circumstances.

The point is, PR wasn't worried and didn't react to any of those other possibilities because she had been waiting all morning for the body to be found, and she knew the inevitable had just happened.

 

[LovelyPigeon]

If PR didn't react and wasn't worried, that would be worth discussing. Since it's not true, it's not worth the time.

 

[BlueCrab]

QUOTE=LovelyPigeon: "If it were true that PR couldn't be bothered to go and see her dead child, it would be worthy of discussion but it's not true."


LovelyPigeon,

Shylock said NOTHING about "PR couldn't be bothered" in his original statement. You reworded the meaning of his statement, and you've reworded mine in the past. Please don't do that.

Patsy didn't come out of the sun room right away and go see what the others were so concerned about, and it made her look suspicious. It made her appear to already know the horrible truth, and thus scared to get out of her seat to look at her dead child. It had nothing to do with "couldn't be bothered".

JMO

 

[LovelyPigeon]

I didn't quote anyone directly nor did I address my remark to anyone in particular. I do think I stated the essence of the previous remarks, though.

 

[BlueCrab]

I didn't quote anyone directly nor did I address my remark to anyone in particular. I do think I stated the essence of the previous remarks, though.

LovelyPigeon.

If you'd simply include the other person's quote that you're gonna comment on in the little box, as above in this post, there wouldn't be any need to try to capture the "essence" of the other person's remarks. The quote would be right there for you and everyone to see. Just a suggestion. Peace.

JMO

 

[Eagle1]

Something could have happened to the proper-sized Wednesday pants BEFORE they left to go to the Whites', and JonBenet could have insisted, when Patsy was changing her, that she needed to wear the new pair, either because it was a special occasion and new would feel more festive, or for some childish (6 yr old) reason.

Even if she wore pants and a vest, maybe she was wearing tights instead of socks, so they knew the too-large underpants wouldn't fall down, and maybe they were pretty elastic. If she was running out of clean ones, seems to me it's the housekeeper's fault, although they probably didn't want her to know. The prior molestation (autopsy report) could have caused bladder irritation or infection and extra urinating, I'd guess. So she may have been crying over her ruined Wednesday panties, partly because she wasn't feeling well, and was unusually demanding and opinionated. Didn't she lie down for a while in Daphne's room? Was probably whiney. If the parents knew at the time she'd been molested, maybe they felt the need for a party, to get their minds off it, and surely it wasn't FW. But then, who knows?

 

[BlueCrab]

Eagle1,

Your post reminded me of something. Was JonBenet wearing black pants or black tights at the White's dinner party? If she was wearing tights, wouldn't it be possible she wore a black dress or skirt over the tights?

Patsy is quoted twice in the police interviews about JonBent wearing a black DRESS, but that seems to be contradicted elsewhere when JonBenet is said to be wearing black pants.

JMO

 

[sissi]

The reports have clearly stated the urine stains in the panties were consistent with the urine stains in the long johns. This ,IMO,indicates she had the size 12's on,she was not redressed.
Blood was found on the barbie gown,this is "interesting" ,does someone have a scenario in which this could have happened?
IMO

 

[TLynn]

Blood was found on the Barbie Gown?! Never heard anything about it.

Where did this come from?

 

[Britt]

Blood was found on the barbie gown,this is "interesting" ,does someone have a scenario in which this could have happened?

If there was blood on the nightgown, it is more evidence that a Ramsey did it... JonBenet was killed while getting ready for bed. Blood got on the nightgown via transfer from the perp's hand.

Blood on the nightgown is not consistent with the intruder fantasy. What, did he retrieve the nightie and offer to help JB get ready for bed? Was that before or after he fetched pineapple for her? OR maybe he snatched her from her bed dressed in the nightie, then changed her clothes, then had pineapple? Right.

Face it, Sissi, a Ramsey did it.

 

[BlueCrab]

Blood was found on the barbie gown,this is "interesting" ,does someone have a scenario in which this could have happened?
IMO

sissi,

Can you provide the source that states blood was found on the Barbie nightgown? Thanks.

JMO

 

[Ivy]

From Carnes's Order 3-31-03 (Page 13)

JonBenet had black duct tape covering her mouth, a cord around her neck that was attached to a wooden garrote, and her hands were bound over her head in front of her: she was covered by a light-colored blanket. ( SMF 38: PSMF 38.) A "Barbie" nightgown belonging to JonBenet was also found in the wine cellar near her body. (SMF 149: PSMF 149.) JonBenet's blood was found only on her body and the Barbie nightgown. (SMF 150; PSMF 150.) Mr. Ramsey ripped the duct tape off JonBenet's mouth and attempted to untie her hands. {SMF 39; PSMF 39.} He then carried her body upstairs. {SMF 39: PSMF 39.} It was only upon the discovery of JonBenet's body that the Boulder police began to secure properly the home as the crime scene. (SMF 53: PSMF 53.)

http://www.acandyrose.com/03312003carnes11-20.htm

imo

 

[Shylock]

Very interesting Ivy, although I wonder if this just isn't one more thing that Carnes got wrong. Notice in the same paragraph you quoted how the garrote is described: "a cord around her neck that was attached to a wooden garrote"

A cord was attached to a garrote?

IMO

 

[BlueCrab]

From Carnes's Order 3-31-03 (Page 13)

JonBenet had black duct tape covering her mouth, a cord around her neck that was attached to a wooden garrote, and her hands were bound over her head in front of her: she was covered by a light-colored blanket. ( SMF 38: PSMF 38.) A "Barbie" nightgown belonging to JonBenet was also found in the wine cellar near her body. (SMF 149: PSMF 149.) JonBenet's blood was found only on her body and the Barbie nightgown. (SMF 150; PSMF 150.) Mr. Ramsey ripped the duct tape off JonBenet's mouth and attempted to untie her hands. {SMF 39; PSMF 39.} He then carried her body upstairs. {SMF 39: PSMF 39.} It was only upon the discovery of JonBenet's body that the Boulder police began to secure properly the home as the crime scene. (SMF 53: PSMF 53.)

http://www.acandyrose.com/03312003carnes11-20.htm

imo

Carnes' paragraph above is full of mistakes:

o "a cord was attached to a wooden garrote?" The cord IS the garrote, not the wooden stick.

o "her hands were bound over her head in front of her?" JonBenet's hands were not bound in FRONT of her; they were directly over her head.

o "JonBenet's blood was found ONLY on her body and the Barbie nightgown?" Blood was also found in the crotch of her panties; and I doubt if any blood was found on the nightgown.

o "John attempted to untie her hands?" John succeeded in untying one hand.

o "police began to properly secure the crime scene?" The cops NEVER properly secured the crime scene; they let Pam Paugh rampage through the house on the 28th and carry out potential evidence that filled the trunk and the back seat of the police car.

It's appalling how little that Carnes' knew about the details of the crime, and the importance that some people attach to her uninformed comments.

JMO

 

[Ivy]

BlueCrab:
It's appalling how little that Carnes' knew about the details of the crime, and the importance that some people attach to her uninformed comments.

I agree, BC. I posted the excerpt to show where some posters probably got the "blood on the Barbie nightgown" information...or misinformation. The only info Carnes had was what was fed to her by Smit and Wood, a lot of which was not true.

imo

 

[sissi]

We all do choose our sources and decide how much weight to give the info they provide. Having said this,I suspect Lou Smit's information,perhaps not his conclusions,would be the closest to accurate available.
IMO

 

[BlueCrab]

We all do choose our sources and decide how much weight to give the info they provide. Having said this,I suspect Lou Smit's information,perhaps not his conclusions,would be the closest to accurate available.
IMO

sissi,

Please provide the source where Lou Smit said that blood was on the Barbie nightgown. Thanks.

JMO