Skyla Whitaker, 11, & Taylor Placker 13 - Found Murdered - #10

[Littledeer]

I still have problems with someone driving by and being able to tell the color of his eyes.

Trino, so do I! I tried doing this today with a walker on the road, and I could not tell his eye color as I passed him by.

I would think it could happen if the driver of the car was going very slow, and I would think the eye color would have to be very distinctive to be noticed and even the sun where it was at would have something to do with the color of the eyes.

After typing that, I can't see it being a driver of the car that saw the eye color, but a passenger.

And the eyes in the sketch of the POI are very descriptive of someone who was either up close to this person, (standing) or a passenger as I described above.

What do you think?

 

[Littledeer]

I honestly can't see the police "protecting" this witness. What does that entail? 24 hour watch on his house? Protective Witness Program? This is a small town police department and I can't see that this is happening with what I assume is a budget that only covers salaries, etc. and not much left for anything else.

If he is still in the area, I would have to think the police are watching him 24/7 then. I don't think the full autopsy results have come back yet. So I guess, they could be waiting on that. They have the shell casings and I am sure they know what type of gun/guns were used on the girls. It was mentioned, IIRC, about a shoe print. Oh, and they do have tire tracks. Which reminds me, aren't tire treads very distinctive?

Could be because the police are protecting this witness. Just because the name of the witness is not released doesn't mean LE needs to release anything that could scare opff the perp...sounds to me like this PIOI is still in the area and LE is waiting further test on something.

 

[Tom'sGirl]

Trino, so do I! I tried doing this today with a walker on the road, and I could not tell his eye color as I passed him by.

I would think it could happen if the driver of the car was going very slow, and I would think the eye color would have to be very distinctive to be noticed and even the sun where it was at would have something to do with the color of the eyes.

After typing that, I can't see it being a driver of the car that saw the eye color, but a passenger.

And the eyes in the sketch of the POI are very descriptive of someone who was either up close to this person, (standing) or a passenger as I described above.

What do you think?

The only time a person's eye color stands out to me is when they are very light in color and the person has dark or tan skin. But from any distance I personally wouldn't be able to say.

 

[Snowlover77]

I honestly can't see the police "protecting" this witness. What does that entail? 24 hour watch on his house? Protective Witness Program? This is a small town police department and I can't see that this is happening with what I assume is a budget that only covers salaries, etc. and not much left for anything else.

If he is still in the area, I would have to think the police are watching him 24/7 then. I don't think the full autopsy results have come back yet. So I guess, they could be waiting on that. They have the shell casings and I am sure they know what type of gun/guns were used on the girls. It was mentioned, IIRC, about a shoe print. Oh, and they do have tire tracks. Which reminds me, aren't tire treads very distinctive?

When I say protectin the witness...I mean not giving out any(especially information about what a witness saw or did not see) information that could hurt this investigation when an arrest is made and this case goes to trial. One doesn't want to hinder this investigation right now....I really believe this perp is still in the area and this whole thing is going to be a part of something bigger than we imagined...like a gang or a cult or something along those lines...

 

[Littledeer]

Tom'sGirl:

The only time a person's eye color stands out to me is when they are very light in color and the person has dark or tan skin. But from any distance I personally wouldn't be able to say.

Exactly! And again I say, to notice that you would have to be much closer to that person than in a car driving by IMO. I mentioned it could be a passenger, but even then, I think that is a stretch unless the car was driving very slowly and the passenger and the person made eye contact for a few seconds. Or the eye color was so distinctive that it was the only identifying aspect that the passenger saw in that time frame.

If it was the driver, I would still think he had to have been closer. How much difference is there between a drivers seat and a passenger seat??

 

[Littledeer]

Snowlover:

I understand what your saying. But if this perp is still in the area, how come LE is so sure he won't kill again then??

 

[oceanblueeyes]

When I say protectin the witness...I mean not giving out any(especially information about what a witness saw or did not see) information that could hurt this investigation when an arrest is made and this case goes to trial. One doesn't want to hinder this investigation right now....I really believe this perp is still in the area and this whole thing is going to be a part of something bigger than we imagined...like a gang or a cult or something along those lines...

Also the word usage of "the group" was telling to me when Agent Brown was talking about the POI as if pleading that someone in his "group" needs to call them and give up where he is.

Also when they were talking about the witnesses and refused to say what all they saw that day...they said they wanted the killer left with something to think about. It seemed to be a mind game they were playing with him somehow in case he was watching the PC. Making his mind spin wondering if someone spotted him that he did not notice.

The police are doing the right thing. None of the witnesses should be known to protect the integrity of the case. If this goes to trial one day then we will learn all about who they are and what all they saw.

I believe the person who saw the girls alive will be pivotal in this case along with the witness or witnesses that passed him when he was close to the crime scene. I think the last witness had come down that road from the bridge toward the Plackers and did not see the children anywhere. That is why LE seems very satisfied with the TOD more so than any other case I can remember.

I am not sure if it is one misfit loner or a group but I do think most likely a group of people are hiding him out.

imoo

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Snowlover:

I understand what your saying. But if this perp is still in the area, how come LE is so sure he won't kill again then??

Have they said that?

Last time I heard them speak even the police is fearful for their own family members.

imoo

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Tom'sGirl:



Exactly! And again I say, to notice that you would have to be much closer to that person than in a car driving by IMO. I mentioned it could be a passenger, but even then, I think that is a stretch unless the car was driving very slowly and the passenger and the person made eye contact for a few seconds. Or the eye color was so distinctive that it was the only identifying aspect that the passenger saw in that time frame.

If it was the driver, I would still think he had to have been closer. How much difference is there between a drivers seat and a passenger seat??

I think it was the passenger. The driver may have noticed the tag when they were approaching him. I have traveled on narrow dirt roads like this one with my hubby. One time this guy had slid part way in the ditch. He had someone there helping him get it out but we had to maneuver around his vehicle because part of it jutted out beyond that side of the road because he slid in at an angle. I was so close I could see him as clearly as if he had been riding with us. There was not much room between our vehicle and his when we came around him.

A standard pickup the seat is usually around 4-41/2 feet across. Most vehicles are about the same unless they are small cars.

imoo

 

[philamena]

I questioned someone seeing the POI's eye color way back on the first thread. It's almost impossible to tell someone's eye color if they're standing and you're in a moving car.

IF a witness saw the 2 girls before they were murdered, wouldn't that mean that probably saw the killer (s)?

Authorities on Thursday were interviewing a person who they said saw two Weleetka area girls just minutes before they were shot and killed on the side of a dirt road.

 

[FlowerChild]

I'm still not sure that this doesn't go right back to the Bandidos and some of their associates or someone who was upset with someone in the extended Placker Family on some level...or both.

I guess it's that I just I cannot shake the gut feeling that this was not a random event - this seems planned to me, as if the killer was lying in wait for these two girls. No matter how I try to think of other scenarios I just cannot make it work that a random guy from say, Oklahoma City, just got a wild hair and decide to sit along a busy county road and shoot the 1st person that came WALKING by! He could have sat there for DAYS before somebody passed by him on foot. But he didn't - he was right there at just the right moment with just the right number of guns and assuming he is the POI was seen by several people who he didn't even bother to turn his face away from. He then calmly left the scene after shooting two tweenage girls multiple times while they LOOKED RIGHT AT HIM and leaving them lying almost in the road - he didn't even try to cover up or disguise the bodies so he would have more time to make a get-away - nope, he just left them where any person - even driving, would have seen them immediately from 100 feet away. He didn't police his brass, he didn't make any attempt to cover up his presence and he didn't do anything that makes me believe it was a thrill kill or a sexual assault or kidnapping gone wrong, or even someone the girls saw doing "something" so bad he would lie in wait and kill them for. None of that "fits" - what does fit is someone who wanted to HURT the Placker Family - take something precious from them forever and make a point that it COULD be DONE, and so easily.

Nope, this wasn't some guy flying by the seat of his pants with this killing. If it is the POI, he was prepared and practiced and it was 100% planned out and very calculated.
It sure sounds to me like:

- he is a loner, and NOT from Oklahoma (where the most media is being done) - theres a BIG reward and yet not one person (like a jilted ex GF, enemy etc) has come forward who can ID him??? I believe this guy came prepared to hide in plain sight - not one confirmed sighting at a gas station or McDonalds or No-Tell Motel anywhere on his route to wherever he ran to.
- the truck was stolen and he ditched it (maybe into the lake?) near where he had another vehicle (motorcycle?) stashed. Nobody has ever seen the POI in that truck (or anything like it), ever - no connection
- he had a plan to get out of Oklahoma pretty fast OR the resources and a place set up to go in OK where he would not attract attention and where no-one would be looking for him. Regardless I am thinking initially he would go somewhere very rural and isolated in OK, AR, MO, KS, AZ, or NM. He'll sit back and wait for the heat to die down now.
- he either went somewhere he would look like everyone else OR he came prepared to radically changed his appearance before being seen again in public - and he had the resources lined up to go somewhere no-one knew him the way he looked in the sketch - even changing his eye color

I cannot get rid of the feeling in my gut that this was a cold, calculated, targeted, well planned killing and that Taylor and Skyla were a convenient, easy target with maximum effect.

My Opinion

 

[Claycat]

Becklynn, how terrifying for you! I'm so glad he was not successful!

 

[noZme]

becklynn.. what a scarey incident! you were gutsy kid to refuse the guy with a gun. smart move, statistics say those who are abducted in such a way have little chance of survival.... wow... you must get weak knees thinking about that even now.

i didn't see a follow-up report about the white pickup pulled from the lake in texas. was it discounted as being the vehicle on county line road in oklahoma?

 

[athy]

the easiest way i could see the witness knowing the color of this POI's eyes was if he was is the car with the POI and knew him. but then i would have to question why the witness didn't give any name unless perhaps he was a hitchhiker the POI picked up.

 

[SewingDeb]

Very good point Athy!

 

[Mysterylover]

Have they said that?

Last time I heard them speak even the police is fearful for their own family members.

imoo

JMO...I was surprised to read the following;

http://www.nagia.org/Gang Articles/Motorcycle Gangs.htm

 

[GetSmart]

"I'm still not sure that this doesn't go right back to the Bandidos and some of their associates or someone who was upset with someone in the extended Placker Family on some level...or both. " FlowerChild
I am with you FC

 

[FlowerChild]

Some of the Placker Family hangs out with a rough (dangerous) bunch of "friends"....

And the Bandidos "rules" may outlaw killing children, but it doesn't prevent them from getting "outside help" (or the payback of a favor) from a former Prison Gang buddy or drug supplier associate who isn't bound by their rules. Plus, I am not sure that the "rules" apply to people outside the Bandidos - perhaps it's forbidden to kill the minor children of an out-of-favor former Bandidos member but NOT forbidden to kill the 13 year old niece of a snitch who was not a "real" member?

_______

Motorcycle gangs have learned to manipulate the criminal justice system with courtroom maneuvers, such as filing numerous discovery motions. These motions have nothing to do with the specific case, but are intended to gather information, such as the names of informants and law enforcement investigative techniques. The discovery process gives gangs the information they need in order to intimidate witnesses through "private investigators," who will report the witnesses' addresses to the gang.

These gangs don't simply work parallel to traditional organized crime; they cooperate on joint ventures and compete in other areas. Furthermore, their inter-gang connections with prison gangs, the Ku Klux Klan, other white supremacy groups, street gangs and drug groups have enhanced their criminal networking--allowing their tentacles to reach all parts of society.

Gangs often use "smoke screens" in their attempt to deceive the public. They want people to believe that while they may look bad on the outside, they have hearts of gold. Some of their "philanthropic" gestures have included raising funds for the Statue of Liberty restoration, carrying the Olympic torch, conducting benefits for disabled children, organizing blood drives, and involving themselves in other kinds of charity events.

And gang trends have blended into the "RUBs"--rich, urban bikers. Larger gangs recognize this and use it to their advantage. They insulate their operations not only with puppet clubs (smaller gangs), but also with other associates who believe motorcycle gangs are nothing more than fun-loving bike riders.

http://www.nagia.org/Gang%20Articles/Motorcycle%20Gangs.htm

 

[DeltaDawn]

I have been checked to see if there was any news updates about someone writing on the cross at the memorial site along the road..and I can't find any. So either it wasn't true..a story made up by someone at Topix..or it is true and it just hasn't hit the media yet. Has anyone else seen or heard anything about tis..other then at the Topix forum?

 

[Tom'sGirl]

I have been checked to see if there was any news updates about someone writing on the cross at the memorial site along the road..and I can't find any. So either it wasn't true..a story made up by someone at Topix..or it is true and it just hasn't hit the media yet. Has anyone else seen or heard anything about tis..other then at the Topix forum?

Nope, sure haven't DD.

In one photo I saw one nice sign, however whomever made it mis-spelled her name as 'SHYLA'.