Skyla Whitaker, 11, & Taylor Placker 13 - Found Murdered - #12

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Wow, FlowerChild. You certainly give us alot to think about. I enjoy your postings. Something that I am lost on though, is the "other road" a hypothesis, or did I miss something? I have gone back to look but dont find anything.
This whole thing is just so sad. But I believe we can all find something good in it. Something that will teach us a lesson to better our own lives, or even the lives of others. We need to try to find something in it that IS good, even if it is just turning turtles over, or removing them from the road, or something else.... in honor and in memory of these precious little girls.
 
Flowerchild,
I love your postings...but I have to admit that they are way too long..always for me to read through. Could you be more succinct in what you are saying..I just need to have more info less words when I read posts here.

I think that many times your very good thoughts get lost..because many people don't take the time to read your entire response. Less wordy..more to the point would be helpful here. We need your imput..but we can't read such long posts continually.
 
The potential problem with the POI was also killed scenario is the lack of gunfire reports following the initial gunfire (there would have been more time between the ones reported that LE believes was the girls) and then there would be other gunfire reported one would think if the POI was killed shortly thereafter.

Another potential problem is that GPa Placker is walking up that road starting at about 5:18 or so. It doesn't take long, at any speed MPH (and he'd be going as fast as he could, I'd think being somewhat concerned with the cell phone not being answered and knowing that Skyla's mother was on the way and wanted Skyla ready) to go 300 yards.

The shortest time frame for all this to occur is 5:10 to 5:18 (cell phone not answered to when GPa was on the road and didn't see anything to make him hurry). The longest time frame is 5:00 to 5:18 or so. I think LE has discounted the girls being killed before 5:00 because of tracks, reports, and the belief they made the bridge and were walking back.
 
Flowerchild,
I love your postings...but I have to admit that they are way too long..always for me to read through. Could you be more succinct in what you are saying..I just need to have more info less words when I read posts here.

I think that many times your very good thoughts get lost..because many people don't take the time to read your entire response. Less wordy..more to the point would be helpful here. We need your imput..but we can't read such long posts continually.
LOL, hiya DD!:Banane19:
 
Wow, FlowerChild. You certainly give us alot to think about. I enjoy your postings. Something that I am lost on though, is the "other road" a hypothesis, or did I miss something? I have gone back to look but dont find anything.
This whole thing is just so sad. But I believe we can all find something good in it. Something that will teach us a lesson to better our own lives, or even the lives of others. We need to try to find something in it that IS good, even if it is just turning turtles over, or removing them from the road, or something else.... in honor and in memory of these precious little girls.

I am a IS board refugee, interested and posting on this case. I have read your last few pages and was wondering if I could get a feel for this board. I also want to be assured that the family is not at all involved. I know that is a very tricky line to cross but so many times the family is involved. IS has been down awhile so bear with me. Has the person who saw the POI been cleared of any involvement? Has the local been gossip been leaning in any certain direction. Do we know why the mother wanted her daughter home all of a sudden? I have always thought there seems to be a lot of anger in this killing, more personal. TIA
 
I posted this on another forum also. Does anyone still think about the fact that Skyla's brother was convicted of murder, and then she was murdered? I mean, what are the odds? Does anyone know if her brother moved with the family to Weleetka, or did he stay in Baxter Springs, KS?
 
I posted this on another forum also. Does anyone still think about the fact that Skyla's brother was convicted of murder, and then she was murdered? I mean, what are the odds? Does anyone know if her brother moved with the family to Weleetka, or did he stay in Baxter Springs, KS?

Hello All~

From what I understand about Skyla's brother is that he was still in Kansas. I do not think he was living in Weleetka. I will have to double check the facts.......
 
"I am a IS board refugee",

HI Shoregirl~

What is an IS board refugee?:waitasec:
 
Do we know why the mother wanted her daughter home all of a sudden? I have always thought there seems to be a lot of anger in this killing, more personal. TIA

From various newsreports, it does seem like she wanted Skyla home all of a sudden because the reports fail to indicate that the sleepover the girls had was the previous night. Reports give the impression they were BEGINNING the sleepover, when, in fact, they were ending it.

So, the mother was ready to pick up her daughter who had spent the previous (Saturday) evening with Taylor as well as a good part of Sunday already. There really wasn't an urgency to her request that suggests she might have felt her daughter was in danger.
 
From various newsreports, it does seem like she wanted Skyla home all of a sudden because the reports fail to indicate that the sleepover the girls had was the previous night. Reports give the impression they were BEGINNING the sleepover, when, in fact, they were ending it.

So, the mother was ready to pick up her daughter who had spent the previous (Saturday) evening with Taylor as well as a good part of Sunday already. There really wasn't an urgency to her request that suggests she might have felt her daughter was in danger.

Envoy Driver,

I agree with you. I do not think there was any urgency in the mother coming to pick up Skyla. I think she called just to tell Sklya and Taylors parents that she was on her way and to please have Sklya and her things ready to leave.

JMO.
 
The potential problem with the POI was also killed scenario is the lack of gunfire reports following the initial gunfire (there would have been more time between the ones reported that LE believes was the girls) and then there would be other gunfire reported one would think if the POI was killed shortly thereafter.

Another potential problem is that GPa Placker is walking up that road starting at about 5:18 or so. It doesn't take long, at any speed MPH (and he'd be going as fast as he could, I'd think being somewhat concerned with the cell phone not being answered and knowing that Skyla's mother was on the way and wanted Skyla ready) to go 300 yards.

The shortest time frame for all this to occur is 5:10 to 5:18 (cell phone not answered to when GPa was on the road and didn't see anything to make him hurry). The longest time frame is 5:00 to 5:18 or so. I think LE has discounted the girls being killed before 5:00 because of tracks, reports, and the belief they made the bridge and were walking back.
Not if there were no gunshots fired. Perhaps...as I said before...he was held at gunpoint and forced to drive elsewhere also giving the perp a way out of the area.
 
I agree she was just picking up her daughter..who knows what they had planned for Mon..or her chores & animals that needed attention. It was just time to come home.
 
From various newsreports, it does seem like she wanted Skyla home all of a sudden because the reports fail to indicate that the sleepover the girls had was the previous night. Reports give the impression they were BEGINNING the sleepover, when, in fact, they were ending it.

So, the mother was ready to pick up her daughter who had spent the previous (Saturday) evening with Taylor as well as a good part of Sunday already. There really wasn't an urgency to her request that suggests she might have felt her daughter was in danger.

I agree. Skyla's mother wasn't rushing at all. I know when my grands have overnight company they don't usually leave until the following afternoon around 4pm or 5 pm.

It was just a typical, normal, laid back, Sunday afternoon imo and that is what is so scary.

imoo
 
Not if there were no gunshots fired. Perhaps...as I said before...he was held at gunpoint and forced to drive elsewhere also giving the perp a way out of the area.

True. It just seems that if they were all hellbent on killing two girls then and there and had the means to do so, the POI wouldn't be any more difficult, except that you do have to take into consideration about what to do with the car.

To me, there's just too much thought, prep, quick thinking that had to occur in a very short amount of time for the POI to have been a victim as well. It's possible though.
 
In Session trials, the board was hacked.

Hacked? What a bummer.

Was that the board from Crime T.V. or something? I was directed there last week and found that is was unavailable or something to that affect.
 
I am a IS board refugee, interested and posting on this case. I have read your last few pages and was wondering if I could get a feel for this board. I also want to be assured that the family is not at all involved. I know that is a very tricky line to cross but so many times the family is involved. IS has been down awhile so bear with me. Has the person who saw the POI been cleared of any involvement? Has the local been gossip been leaning in any certain direction. Do we know why the mother wanted her daughter home all of a sudden? I have always thought there seems to be a lot of anger in this killing, more personal. TIA

Welcome!

Agent Brown said they have several witnesses that saw the POI that day, not just one.

Her mom didn't want her home early. Skyla had been there since Saturday and it was getting later in the day on Sunday before she even called to say she was coming to get her.

I use to think overkill meant the crime was done by someone known to the victims. I no longer believe that. We are seeing the most brutal, heinous crimes imaginable being committed on total strangers.

Just read a story where one man was stabbed over a 190 times and the other man who lived there was stabbed over 50 times, iirc and the motive was burglary.

imoo
 
If I saw a body (or two bodies) lying beside the road I was driving on I would - slam on my brakes, and pull to the side of the road - if I was too far past them I would back up or turn around, and go back to the spot. I any case when I parked, I would not be thinking about HOW I parked or whether I was in the road (especially if it was a dirt road) - I would be running to the bodies to see if they needed help. At the same time I would be dialing 911 on my cell phone, IF I had a phone with me anyway.

Taylor was lying almost in the road and would have been clearly visible from a passing car - not so much Skyla, but Taylor would have been obvious. I wonder if the "Good Samaritan POI" (he didn't kill the girls and just drove by and saw them) found the bodies lying face down (as they fell) and turned one or both the bodies face up and laid them out so he could see if they were alive? Maybe that is why LE hasn't given body position (or wound locations) info to the media? Maybe that is so they can ID the POI and perhaps establish if he is the "Killer POI" or the "Good Samaritan POI" based on what he says he saw and did at the scene? That could also be why the 911 call isn't being released - perhaps GPa describes how he found the girls and LE knows from the evidence that SOMEONE ELSE moved one or both girls shortly after they were shot?

IE: Killer shoots both girls, they fall forward or crumple forward where they stood. Killer leaves scene.
POI arrives, maybe sees killer, maybe not, sees bodies, makes u-turn (leaving tire tracks?), parks awkwardly, leaving half the vehicle sticking across the road, gets out, runs to bodies (leaving footprints?), turns one or both girls over and stretches them out on their backs, checks for pulse - no pulse. POI knows people saw him and his truck in the area, is a meth head or has drugs or stolen stuff in his truck, or has a rap sheet for violent crimes, he is from OKC or Tulsa, was out looking for something to steal in the country, does NOT want to be talking to cops, or be connected to two dead girls so he gets in his truck and leaves the area ASAP.
GPA finds girls - calls 911, describes scene he found, does not touch girls because they are lying on their backs and are clearly dead.
LE arrives, photographs scene, talks to GPa. They look at blood evidence, crushed vegetation etc and determine the girls were in one position when they died and SOMEONE put them on their backs. Hear evidence about POI in area or at scene - no way to know if POI is killer or Good Samaritan who MAY have seen the real killer.

My Opinion

I was thinking this would be excellent theorizing for a defense attorney to project if this person is indeed found, arrested and stands trial.

However; I personally do not believe in coincidences that are happening at the same time almost simultaneously. If he just saw the girls and pulled over then the vehicle approaching would have also seen the "real" killer leaving the scene. There also would be other descriptions coming out from LE of others seen on that road right around the time of the murders that they need to speak with. He has always been the only one LE has ever mentioned that they need to talk to. IMO he is it and they know it already and are keeping that evidence close to their vest. As long as they list him a POI then the stress is lessened than if they admit he is the suspect at large. By them labeling him as such in the public they can pretend he may just not be involved and it takes some of the pressure off of them while they look for him.

I think the time line they have gathered puts him there and not by happenstance or a coincidence. I think also that they are very comfortable with the time line and their witnesses and what went down, where and when.

imoo
 
Hacked? What a bummer.

Was that the board from Crime T.V. or something? I was directed there last week and found that is was unavailable or something to that affect.

Yes it used to be CTV. It has been down awhile now. I am going through board withdrawal but am glad you are so up on this horrible crime here.
 
If I saw a body (or two bodies) lying beside the road I was driving on I would - slam on my brakes, and pull to the side of the road - if I was too far past them I would back up or turn around, and go back to the spot. I any case when I parked, I would not be thinking about HOW I parked or whether I was in the road (especially if it was a dirt road) - I would be running to the bodies to see if they needed help. At the same time I would be dialing 911 on my cell phone, IF I had a phone with me anyway.

Taylor was lying almost in the road and would have been clearly visible from a passing car - not so much Skyla, but Taylor would have been obvious. I wonder if the "Good Samaritan POI" (he didn't kill the girls and just drove by and saw them) found the bodies lying face down (as they fell) and turned one or both the bodies face up and laid them out so he could see if they were alive? Maybe that is why LE hasn't given body position (or wound locations) info to the media? Maybe that is so they can ID the POI and perhaps establish if he is the "Killer POI" or the "Good Samaritan POI" based on what he says he saw and did at the scene? That could also be why the 911 call isn't being released - perhaps GPa describes how he found the girls and LE knows from the evidence that SOMEONE ELSE moved one or both girls shortly after they were shot?

IE: Killer shoots both girls, they fall forward or crumple forward where they stood. Killer leaves scene.
POI arrives, maybe sees killer, maybe not, sees bodies, makes u-turn (leaving tire tracks?), parks awkwardly, leaving half the vehicle sticking across the road, gets out, runs to bodies (leaving footprints?), turns one or both girls over and stretches them out on their backs, checks for pulse - no pulse. POI knows people saw him and his truck in the area, is a meth head or has drugs or stolen stuff in his truck, or has a rap sheet for violent crimes, he is from OKC or Tulsa, was out looking for something to steal in the country, does NOT want to be talking to cops, or be connected to two dead girls so he gets in his truck and leaves the area ASAP.
GPA finds girls - calls 911, describes scene he found, does not touch girls because they are lying on their backs and are clearly dead.
LE arrives, photographs scene, talks to GPa. They look at blood evidence, crushed vegetation etc and determine the girls were in one position when they died and SOMEONE put them on their backs. Hear evidence about POI in area or at scene - no way to know if POI is killer or Good Samaritan who MAY have seen the real killer.

My Opinion

This is pretty much what I imagine happened. The POI is afraid to come forward for some reason, but he is not the killer. The timeframe in this case is so very short. I have a hard time believing that some random stranger just happened upon the girls on that road and blew them away. Makes no sense to me! IMO
 
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