Skyla Whitaker, 11, & Taylor Placker 13 - Found Murdered - #3

[SeriouslySearching]

Putting it on AMW was in the works long before the new information came to light. It can only further the case so I am really glad they are highlighting it. Maybe it will bring him in by the end of the show! Happens all the time for AMW!

 

[kahskye]

I didn't mean the girls mouthed off. I meant said something to him as in responded to the situation in some way. A person on crank, drunk, and out of control can be very paranoid.

That's how I meant "mouthed off" in that they were replying to someone, not starting something. Maybe they felt they were so close to home, nothing possibly could happen to them.

 

[noZme]

http://204.62.19.160/fugitives/fugitive_detail.aspx?id=180582

johnathan craig is on fugative list doc, so he is still on the run ... considered armed & dangerous

 

[SeriouslySearching]

If they have any fingerprints or DNA, they should be able to easily pop him up...I would think. I wonder where they are on the evidence in our state lab? I know we are backlogged here as well as everywhere else in the country...altho I am sure they are pushing this case ahead of others.

 

[poco]

http://204.62.19.160/fugitives/fugitive_detail.aspx?id=180582

johnathan craig is on fugative list doc, so he is still on the run ... considered armed & dangerous

See if that Robert Donahue is still on the run. I couldn't find if he was, but I did find some other pictures of him - also, when did he escape. If you look at that Oklahoma Correctional Facility site there are a whole slew of escapees - doesn't look like too tight of an institution.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Robert Donahue is still on the run as far as I can tell. However, the problem could be they aren't keeping the webpages updated. I have found others who are still reported to be escapees which have been recaptured.

Our prison system can be misleading and some of what you see are walking away from minimum security sites. In our Maximum sites, you don't find that situation happening very often. (At least, that I am aware of.)

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Hi all, I finally have just a moment to chime in here. I too think this was an abduction gone bad. Could those poor children out of fear or, perhaps knowing the grave danger. Refused to go with the perp, or get in the vehicle. I hate to think this but, it may be possible those little angels saved themselves even more unthinkable torment by not being taken to another location.

Hi, Bucky! You could be right. The girls were smart and could have thwarted an abduction in some way...but still it bothers me they did not have time to turn away from the barrage of bullets or to run. Instinct would tell them to at least shield themselves by putting up their hands or ducking. It doesn't even appear they had time to react.

 

[FlowerChild]

I have to point out that the witness who described the vehicle/truck as having an OK tag HAD to have seen the rear of the vehicle because OK only has license tags on the rear (not both front and rear, like many states). If the witness did NOT see the girls walking (or lying along the roadside) he must have driven up on the REAR of the POI vehicle and turned around behind it. Had s/he/they driven past the vehicle they would have seen the girls walking toward home or already dead lying beside the road.

The POI either did the deed, or saw the girls get shot (or was there immediately after) and likely saw who did it - the timeline doesn't allow for anything else. Other alternatives MUST include that it COULD have been done by someone (or two someones) on an ATV - which means they may not have left the area on the ROAD. Do not discount poachers or others involved in illegal activities being on ATV's. This is Sun afternoon in RURAL OKLAHOMA and people are out and about on motorcycles, horses, ATV's etc - and yes, many of them carry a weapon (or two) with them. Two guns does not mean two people - it just means if it was one person, he/she was comfortable with guns and shooting them - a hunter or gun enthusiast. If the killer went with the intent to KILL the two girls he/she may have carried two guns WITH HIM when he approached them.

I am still not sure the girls were shot initially by someone on the road - it might have been someone shooting from an ATV thru the woods. If someone shot the girls, knocked them down and hurt them badly it may have been that they were killed to cover up an accidental shooting. Including perhaps a Dad or Brother (with a high powered gun) covering up an accidental initial shooting by a MINOR?

My Opinion

 

[SeriouslySearching]

True that we only have tags in the back of the vehicle. Almost perpendicular then would mean the front of the truck would be in or near the ditch and weeds for them to be able to tell, wouldn't it? There are conflicting reports on where he was standing, but if we go by what Jessica Brown said...he was beside the truck. If he were in front of the truck...it would place him in the ditch and weeds.

If he was taking a leak before shooting the girls...maybe this is part of the DNA they have found. I never considered what could have been underneath them.

 

[noZme]

poco, i had gotten sidetracked, donahue is on the doc fugitive list ... armed & dangerous


http://204.62.19.160/fugitives/fugitive_detail.aspx?id=215245

 

[SeriouslySearching]

LE cleared the people known to have been on the ATVs tho...haven't they? Of course, it doesn't mean they know about all of them.

I don't think a father is going to pump to small girls full of bullets to cover an accidental shooting. People who would live in the area would know if someone were that crazy or apt to be possibly that cruel. Those would already be on the radar of LE.

 

[Albert18]

Do we know if the people who gave the description were in a vehicle or on an ATV? Do we know if they turned around when they saw him or drove on past him on the road?

It could be this guy saw them coming and moved the vehicle so it hid the girls. Maybe this is why the authorities said they have a good tire track, he had one tire on the dirt by the girls.

 

[Albert18]

In a gun culture accidental shootings are no big deal. It is just an accident with a gun instead of a car.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

If the tire tracks they keep showing on the television clips are the ones they took in for evidence...maybe we could deduce something there as to where the truck was situated and which side of the road. Could you guys help me find that clip? I can take a screenshot of it and we can analyze it from there.

 

[noZme]

...I don't think a father is going to pump to small girls full of bullets to cover an accidental shooting. People who would live in the area would know if someone were that crazy or apt to be possibly that cruel. Those would already be on the radar of LE.

i agree. & there was not much time for confrontation between the girls & killer(s). whether there was something like an attempted abduction or the shooting was "just for the hell of it", i believe it was very brief.... from one to five minutes.

 

[FlowerChild]

In a gun culture accidental shootings are no big deal. It is just an accident with a gun instead of a car.

Not if it might send your 10 year old to Juvie and lose you the rest of your kids, your wife, your buddies, maybe your JOB..
And I grew up in OK and I know how people USED TO THINK - but it isn't the same now - there are radicals with guns in the country in OK - militia type radicals - and they don't "think like we do". And yes, some of them WOULD "finish off" two little girls their son shot by accident (or even sorta on purpose) to protect him (and the "family"). Kinda like a kill shot to a wounded animal - end their suffering and your problem all at once.

These folks don't "stand out" and their neighbors don't KNOW THEM - Think Tim McVey. And they are in rural OKLAHOMA!

I am not saying it happened, I just think we have to keep ALL options in mind...and there is NO WAY that ANYONE can know if ALL the ATV-ers have been accounted for. They could have been from 25 miles away or down the road.

My Opinion

 

[oceanblueeyes]

i agree. & there was not much time for confrontation between the girls & killer(s). whether there was something like an attempted abduction or the shooting was "just for the hell of it", i believe it was very brief.... from one to five minutes.

I agree and they did say they have footprints or shoe prints so if the girls were fleeing for any length of time their strides would have been much father apart than just normal walking patterns.

I think it was over almost as quickly as it began.

imoo

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Not if it might send your 10 year old to Juvie and lose you the rest of your kids, your wife, your buddies, maybe your JOB..
And I grew up in OK and I know how people USED TO THINK - but it isn't the same now - there are radicals with guns in the country in OK - militia type radicals - and they don't "think like we do". And yes, some of them WOULD "finish off" two little girls their son shot by accident (or even sorta on purpose) to protect him (and the "family"). Kinda like a kill shot to a wounded animal - end their suffering and your problem all at once.

These folks don't "stand out" and their neighbors don't KNOW THEM - Think Tim McVey. And they are in rural OKLAHOMA!

I am not saying it happened, I just think we have to keep ALL options in mind...and there is NO WAY that ANYONE can know if ALL the ATV-ers have been accounted for. They could have been from 25 miles away or down the road.

My Opinion

I am IN Oklahoma and grew up here. The Tim McVey's of rural OK ARE known to the people in their community especially after the bombing. They actually DO stand out. People in small communities make it their business to know their neighbors and to keep LE abreast of any situation they feel is questionable. Extremists do exist here, but LE knows about them. If your neighbor is unfriendly or crazy...the other people talk. Word gets around like wildfire.

I said KNOWN ATVs in the specific area at the time of the murders. Of course, there could be people traveling 25 miles to ride them on this exact road...but this would require a truck and trailer to get them there which would probably be seen. ATVs are considered big ticket items and most people in the rural parts of the area do not have one. It would not be difficult to find out who owns one and pay them a visit in a ten square mile radius, I promise you.

 

[TGIRecovered]

Not if it might send your 10 year old to Juvie and lose you the rest of your kids, your wife, your buddies, maybe your JOB..
And I grew up in OK and I know how people USED TO THINK - but it isn't the same now - there are radicals with guns in the country in OK - militia type radicals - and they don't "think like we do". And yes, some of them WOULD "finish off" two little girls their son shot by accident (or even sorta on purpose) to protect him (and the "family"). Kinda like a kill shot to a wounded animal - end their suffering and your problem all at once.

These folks don't "stand out" and their neighbors don't KNOW THEM - Think Tim McVey. And they are in rural OKLAHOMA!

I am not saying it happened, I just think we have to keep ALL options in mind...and there is NO WAY that ANYONE can know if ALL the ATV-ers have been accounted for. They could have been from 25 miles away or down the road.

My Opinion

Sorry to have to mention this, but another person with a lot to lose if they had a gun accident would be a cop. And a cop might be likely to ditch the guns at the scene as long as they were not traceable to him. It is a sad but true fact that it is relatively easy for a dishonest cop to just keep a gun without reporting it, if he takes it off of a criminal who doesn't want to admit he had it in the first place. It's called a "throwdown".

Susan

 

[noZme]

Do we know if the people who gave the description were in a vehicle or on an ATV? Do we know if they turned around when they saw him or drove on past him on the road?

It could be this guy saw them coming and moved the vehicle so it hid the girls. Maybe this is why the authorities said they have a good tire track, he had one tire on the dirt by the girls.

i measured the distance from the placker's home to bad creek bridge on google earth & microsoft virtual earth both as right at .6 mile. that path has been quoted in news reports as several different measurements, usually farther.

in any case, the road marks the line between ofuskee & okmulgee counties & is essentailly a straight line between those points. other than changes in elevation & tree limbs canopying over, one would have a long view in both directions. there are no roads which intersect & i haven't seen any other houses or driveways between those points.