Skyla Whitaker, 11, & Taylor Placker 13 - Found Murdered - #3

[cloudajo]

I don't know much about trucks, but I've been trying to get an idea of what pickup could have looked like (some links below). Of course it depends on the make and year. Is chrome stripping typically on the side if anyone knows? I hope they put out a more specific pic of the kind of truck.

OSBI spokeswoman Jessica Brown said agents want to talk to a man described as an American-Indian, possibly part white, who is about 35 years old and stands 6 feet tall. Brown said the man has a pony tail and drives a white Ford or Chevrolet single-cab pickup truck with chrome stripping and an Oklahoma license tag
http://www.koco.com/news/16589907/detail.html

Ford F-150
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Ford-F-150.jpg

Ford White Pick Up
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:%2797-%2798_Ford_F-250_XL_Regular_Cab.JPG

Chevrolet S-10
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_S-10

Chevrolet Silverado
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_Silverado

Oklahoma License Tag/Plate (is this current standard plate?)
http://www.netstate.com/states/links/images/ok_license_plate.jpg

Oklahoma only requires one license plate to displayed on the rear of all registered passenger vehicles (as already confirmed by FP and SS)
http://www.javasigns.com/info/category/162/article/570

 

[FlowerChild]

I am IN Oklahoma and grew up here. The Tim McVey's of rural OK ARE known to the people in their community especially after the bombing. They actually DO stand out. People in small communities make it their business to know their neighbors and to keep LE abreast of any situation they feel is questionable. Extremists do exist here, but LE knows about them. If your neighbor is unfriendly or crazy...the other people talk. Word gets around like wildfire.

I said KNOWN ATVs in the specific area at the time of the murders. Of course, there could be people traveling 25 miles to ride them on this exact road...but this would require a truck and trailer to get them there which would probably be seen. ATVs are considered big ticket items and most people in the rural parts of the area do not have one. It would not be difficult to find out who owns one and pay them a visit in a ten square mile radius, I promise you.

I grew up in Oklahoma (3rd generation "Okie") and my parents and family still live in "rural" Oklahoma. It is not true that the neighbors know all the crazy people and LE is on top of things, - if that was true, there wouldn't be Meth Labs all over rural Oklahoma. And I know for a FACT that there are several militia type organizations IN Oklahoma and I doubt overworked, understaffed rural sheriffs know every single member - much less who owns an ATV. Half of the ATV's aren't tagged OR registered...at least where MY family lives MOST of them are NOT. There aren't on the road so the owners don't feel the need to tag or register them. And they do NOT have to trailer them to ride in a 25 mile radious either.

Rural Oklahoma is unique - Indian Tribal Territory, for instance, is NOT handled by the same LE - there is a tremendous amount of "unknown" in the Indian Tribal Land - remember the Girl Scout Murders?

Like I said - there are "unknowns" here that are unique to the area and the state and they must be considered. It's a wonderful state (Oklahoma) - but it isn't perfect.

My Opinion

 

[EnvoyDriver61]

I think the truck is more likely GMC. Notice the chrome down teh side that identifies the model number.

 

[Albert18]

His age, long hair, and vehicle description should tell more than a few people who this guy might be.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I grew up in Oklahoma (3rd generation "Okie") and my parents and family still live in "rural" Oklahoma. It is not true that the neighbors know all the crazy people and LE is on top of things, - if that was true, there wouldn't be Meth Labs all over rural Oklahoma. And I know for a FACT that there are several militia type organizations IN Oklahoma and I doubt overworked, understaffed rural sheriffs know every single member - much less who owns an ATV. Half of the ATV's aren't tagged OR registered...at least where MY family lives MOST of them are NOT. There aren't on the road so the owners don't feel the need to tag or register them. And they do NOT have to trailer them to ride in a 25 mile radious either.

Rural Oklahoma is unique - Indian Tribal Territory, for instance, is NOT handled by the same LE - there is a tremendous amount of "unknown" in the Indian Tribal Land - remember the Girl Scout Murders?

Like I said - there are "unknowns" here that are unique to the area and the state and they must be considered. It's a wonderful state (Oklahoma) - but it isn't perfect.

My Opinion

I know the ATVs are not tagged or titled, but people (certainly kids in the area) know who owns them if they ride around on them with any frequency. I never said LE would know every person who owned an ATV. Riding an ATV for 25 miles seems a bit of a stretch.

I am well aware of LE in rural Oklahoma. You would be surprised at what they know about people in their counties. Like I said, people talk.

Meth labs are known to be in every part of the state...yes and do go undetected. A lot of these happen when Billy Bob who grew up in the area decides to become a "Chef". People know him, but tend to overlook the signs until it becomes a real problem. Billy Bob's friends know for a fact...they just don't turn him in.

The larger the city or town...the less likely you are to know your neighbors. In the immediate area of Weleetka...people know each other. They see one another on a regular basis either on the road, in the grocery store, or because of their kids, etc..

I am not disputing Militias are scattered around Oklahoma. I will say it is ridiculous to think that people do not know they are there! Some people actually pay attention to what goes on in their small communities. Again, people talk.

You must have missed my post about tribal cross-deputizing. The problem of having two jurisdictions is being addressed in counties where tribal lands have been problematic. Granted, there are unknowns in any rural area. Our tribal lands are frequented by everyone in the vicinity. Most people are not even aware they have crossed the threshold unless they know the lay of the land or glance to read the signs. You make it sound like there is a place where they have cement walls with us on one side and them on the other.

Of course, I remember the Girl Scout murders. Everyone from Oklahoma remembers them.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

His age, long hair, and vehicle description should tell more than a few people who this guy might be.

LOL Do you know how many men I know who fit his description?! However, I do not recognize this person in the sketch or I would have already turned him in.

 

[s_finch]

Hi all, I finally have just a moment to chime in here. I too think this was an abduction gone bad. Could those poor children out of fear or, perhaps knowing the grave danger. Refused to go with the perp, or get in the vehicle. I hate to think this but, it may be possible those little angels saved themselves even more unthinkable torment by not being taken to another location.

I had the same thought today and maybe the phone was what caused the abduction to go bad. Girls "live" on their cell phones, quite possible she got more calls than just the one from her granddad. Maybe the phone rang (rang repeatedly like happens with my daugher all the time) and it startled the perp and he realized these girls would be missed quickly or maybe one of them grabbed the phone to dial 911 and he stopped that quickly.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

This could be similar to what they are looking for, but I don't know what year this Ford truck is:

http://www.sportruck.com/events/gsf06/i28.html

It has a chrome strip down the side which the newer models don't seem to have which would stick out in someone's mind.

 

[cloudajo]

I think the truck is more likely GMC. Notice the chrome down teh side that identifies the model number.

Thanks. Yes, it did say the truck had a thin chrome stripe down the side. They all look similar to me. How about this Ford (looks like it has a chrome stripe).

I wish they would put out a sketch of both the man and the truck together. That might be more helpful to people visually.

 

[bigbuck]

I had the same thought today and maybe the phone was what caused the abduction to go bad. Girls "live" on their cell phones, quite possible she got more calls than just the one from her granddad. Maybe the phone rang (rang repeatedly like happens with my daugher all the time) and it startled the perp and he realized these girls would be missed quickly or maybe one of them grabbed the phone to dial 911 and he stopped that quickly.

The same scenerio keeps going through my mind. This creep pulls up and orders the girls into his vehicle. They hesitate perhaps, even start to back away. The cell phone rings and, this starts shooting.

:furious:

 

[noZme]

tossing in one more:
if the shooters were on an ATV that was stolen, & happened upon these girls who knew them, they may have chosen to be certain they wouldn't be caught........ that could have happened as easily as when did you get the atv.....i'm telling....you'd better not tell, i'll make sure you do not turn me in....... granted that's far-reaching, but kids out riding & whooping it all afternoon, shooting at whatever they can find, possibly hepped up by alcohol or drugs, could have made such a foolish choice...... i keep going back to the 4-wheeler because it could have made a quick getaway down the railroad or powerline nearby. maybe even abandoned in a thicket. at this point, there is no theory that i am promoting over any other.... my way of life & thinking is so different than a person capable of being responsible for this.

 

[EnvoyDriver61]

It appears the Ford F-150, F-250, and F-350 trucks come in a King Ranch version which has the chrome plating on the side.

 

[cloudajo]

I had the same thought today and maybe the phone was what caused the abduction to go bad. Girls "live" on their cell phones, quite possible she got more calls than just the one from her granddad. Maybe the phone rang (rang repeatedly like happens with my daugher all the time) and it startled the perp and he realized these girls would be missed quickly or maybe one of them grabbed the phone to dial 911 and he stopped that quickly.

Yes, I wondered that too. They said Taylor's father/grandfather used her cell to call 911. I wonder if he found it in the road near her or took it from her pocket or purse if she had one (if either is where she kept it).

 

[STEADFAST]

I had the same thought today and maybe the phone was what caused the abduction to go bad. Girls "live" on their cell phones, quite possible she got more calls than just the one from her granddad. Maybe the phone rang (rang repeatedly like happens with my daugher all the time) and it startled the perp and he realized these girls would be missed quickly or maybe one of them grabbed the phone to dial 911 and he stopped that quickly.

Or maybe she pulled the phone out to call for help after he confronted them. That's what triggered the murders at the Lane Bryant store in Tinley Park, IL.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I wish they would just say if it was an older model or a newer model truck. It would narrow it down considerably.

In my mind, this guy is in an older truck. I don't know why.

 

[EnvoyDriver61]

I would think that, as someone else posted, the POI either is the person who did this or saw it happen.

A lot went on on that road within 30 minutes to have witnesses see the girls, see the POI, hear the shots, and grandfather walk down the road in a short amount of time.

Actions had to occur quickly, which goes back to it might be a single person or a pair of people who are very close and could agree very quickly on a course of action.

There wasn't a time for a committee. The father-son, brother-brother, scenario is plausible. It just seems that the more people that were involved, the more debate over the proper course of action, where as the less people involved, the easier to decide what to do.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

They said it was a single cab.

 

[EnvoyDriver61]

In my mind, this guy is in an older truck. I don't know why.

I agree. If he's older, he's used to using a truck a long time. They can run nearly a year's income in that area. If it's a local, it probably is an older car.

If it's a drug runner, maybe it is a newer truck.

 

[STEADFAST]

I wish they would just say if it was an older model or a newer model truck. It would narrow it down considerably.

In my mind, this guy is in an older truck. I don't know why.

I'm wondering if the witness isn't a woman or someone from a city. It seems like a man living in the country would know whether a truck is a Chevy or a Ford just automatically. When I was growing up, men were rabidly partisan about vehicle brands.

 

[CarpeDiem]

It appears the Ford F-150, F-250, and F-350 trucks come in a King Ranch version which has the chrome plating on the side.

That pic helped.

The whole witness statement reminds me of what a hero and incredible kid Mitchell Hults is. His recollection was so spot on.