Skyla Whitaker, 11, & Taylor Placker 13 - Found Murdered - #3

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  • #261
The newer trucks all have that rear side window type set up which make them look less like a single cab. But..I am a woman. LOL Yes...it could have been a woman who saw the truck and the reason for the discrepancy here. OR the guy was acting so "suspicious" that the truck was secondary to their thought at the moment.
 
  • #262
And they refer to the witness as he most of the time.

I am wondering what churches are in the immediate area. Wouldn't that be about the time a pastor would go to church for 6:00 p.m. services?

What it was announced in the service or the congregation knew that the pastor was going to be out of town at a conference or on vacation that week.

It appears he was gone M-W mid-day at least. They couldn't or didn't want to call in the information, so they were probably fearful.
 
  • #263
They said the witness couldn't come forward earlier because he could be identified. Maybe the delay was him contacting an attorney to work on negotiations for going to the police and for their protecting him. I mean, after all, the witness was at the scene right about the time of the murders, and he knows a guy with a truck saw him. He would have had two big worries, that the crime would be pinned on him and that the real murderer would kill him.
 
  • #264
They aren't going to release who the witnesses are as long as there is a killer/are killers running loose possibly in their area. If they mowed down two little girls, they have to realize that they would have no problem going after witnesses. It is best to let the people be safe than to reveal who they are. Until they catch them...they will not give us any clue as to who they are or why they came forward when they did. I imagine those people are rather frightened.
I would say the people have GOOD reason to be reluctant to come forward.
 
  • #265
Steadfast:

Good thought about it maybe being a woman witness. I live in a large city and my son's can tell you the make of a pickup from a glance as I think most men could. Even i would like to think that I could. GMC's and Chev's when older look almost alike, where dodges and ford are more distinguishable. ( Is that even a word?)
 
  • #266
Yes, it is a word. :) Not all men are into trucks tho. Could be a car guy who only recognizes the latest BMW. LOL
 
  • #267
Yes, it is a word. :) Not all men are into trucks tho. Could be a car guy who only recognizes the latest BMW. LOL

Well, you are sure right about that. I can't remember but didn't Chev, Ford and GMC have thier name written across the back of the tailgate in the older model trucks? If so the witness possiably saw the back end of the truck by seeing the license plate but was more focused on the person themselves.
 
  • #268
Yes, they do have their name on the back. I would be suggesting the witness visit with a hypnotherapist to retrieve every detail possible. This could give them a lot more information.
 
  • #269
They said the witness couldn't come forward earlier because he could be identified.

When they made the above statement I instantly thought
the witness was the grandpa.

For some reason I can see it in my head but then I'm not good with directions
so I may have it all wrong.

I can picture the girls walking towards home in the middle of the road
and a truck coming behind them... they move to the side of the road so the
truck can pass he passes and then does the u turn (or part u turn via the witness statement).

He is there with his truck sideways as the grandpa is walking up the road
toward the girls.
The truck is facing away from the grandpa due to the u turn and so the
truck does not actually go past the grandpa when he drives away.... it goes the other way.

The grandpa didn't realize what he saw until he came up on the girls in the ditch. It might also explain when he said "they shot them".
Maybe he saw another person in the truck.

The witness couldn't come forward earlier because he could be identified...
how would the killer be able to identify him?
IMO... by seeing the grandpa on the news and knowing his name and where he lived.

Just thinking...
 
  • #270
So why did the grandfather wait until 5 days later or so to mention it? I don't think it is him. He had the presence of mind to keep people away from the scene and to call 911. If he had seen the guy and the truck...he would have been screaming it at 911 immediately. Not him, imo.
 
  • #271
http://www.kswo.com/Global/story.asp?S=8492054

OSBI still seeking witness to Weleetka shootings
Associated Press - June 14, 2008 4:25 PM ET

Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation spokeswoman Jessica Brown said Saturday that the agency had received many responses after releasing a sketch a day earlier.
The possible witness was described as an American Indian, about 6 feet tall, with black hair and a ponytail. He was seen standing near a white Ford or Chevrolet
single cab pickup with an Oklahoma license tag near the time the two girls were found dead last weekend near Weleetka.
Brown says the OSBI would like to clarify that the man in the sketch had a long ponytail that stretched to the small of his back.
Many callers have described a man with a short ponytail or shoulder-length hair.


 
  • #272
I'm just riveted and stuck on this case....I hope they find the person soon. did they have a presser today?
 
  • #273
Maybe, maybe not. They made the witness pass a lie detector test. I'm sure the grandfather had to pass that early on as the family is usually the first to be suspected.

However, if he didn't see the truck, he had to have missed it by mere seconds to minutes.

Another thing I hadn't thought of before when I was arguing about the distance to the bridge: it had to have been closer rather than farther. He walked to get the girls. If there was an urgency in finding them, which there wasn't, he would have gotten in his truck. He knew it wasn't far.
 
  • #274
So why did the grandfather wait until 5 days later or so to mention it? I don't think it is him. He had the presence of mind to keep people away from the scene and to call 911. If he had seen the guy and the truck...he would have been screaming it at 911 immediately. Not him, imo.

We don't know he waited 5 days to tell them.
They said the witness couldn't come forward earlier because he could be identified…

Why was the witness worried he would be identified?
Probably for fear that the killer would come after him.

If the killer knew the person, and the killer knew the person saw him then either way the killer would be able to identify him regardless of when he came forward…
so why wait to come forward with the information?

Also….if the killer didn’t know him then how could he identify him without seeing him?

And if he didn’t know him then why would the witness be worried about being identified?

The fact that they didn't give the details of what the witness saw until after the funerals...
IMO… they wanted to make sure the witness could attend the funerals without fear of being a target.
 
  • #275
As many have stated, it's difficult to wrap yourselve around this case, primarily, IMO, due to time, distance, witness/evidence.

First off is the timing.

Reports state the girls left around 5:00 p.m. Sunday to walk. Skyla's mother calls about 5:08. Grandmother takes this call and tells Grandfather to call the girls' cellphone and tell them to return. No answer and he takes off looking for them. LE believes deaths occurred around 5:20-5:25 (reports indicate that they don't think sexual assault is involved because girls are found clothed and indicate that there wasn't enough time for sexual assault to occur). Grandfather's 911 call is reported at either 5:40 p.m. or 5:41 p.m. Skyla's mother arrives at Taylor's house from either south (common assumption) or north and is flagged by grandfather so that she cannot see the bodies (why I think she came from the north).

So timing: all this occurs between 4:55 to 5:41.

4:55 - 5:00 Girls leave house. (assumed)
5:08 - 5:10 Skyla's mother calls (reported in interview)
5:13 - 5:25 Sometime in this time frame, Grandfather attempts to call girls to tell them to return (assumed)
5:10 - 5:25 Witnesses reported seeing girls walking and the suspicious person (don't know if they are the same witness or two different ones) assumed since girls are seen alive)
5:20 - 5:25 Assumed time of death (reports say sexual assault unlikely because whole event takes place in 20-25 minutes)
5:25 - 5:30 Grandfather leaves on foot to look for girls (assumption because he is going north toward the girls and doesn't see white pickup in the road (not reported at least,) so murder has already occurred)
5:38 - 5:39 Grandfather finds girls and
5:40 Grandfather calls 911

Next is the distance:

Reports are that they made it to the bridge and were returning. Bridge on Yahoo maps looks about 3/4 mile away and some reports say it is 3/4 mile away. Other reports are that it is 6/10 mile away. One early report says that the girls were found 1/4 mile (200-300 yds) from Taylors house on west side of County Line Rd. and the bridge was another 1/4 mile from that. So, you have 3/4 mile, 3/5 mile, 1/2 mile as to how far the bridge was from Taylor's house.

Round trip if they did make it to the bridge from Taylor's house to where they were found is 1.5 miles (3/4 there and 1/2 back), .95 miles (6/10 there and .35 back), or 3/4 mile (1/2 there and 1/4 back).

If they did make it to the bridge and back and LE seems to think they did, then the shorter distances are probably more accurate.

Finally, witness reports and evidence:

6 people say they either saw the truck and person, saw the girls walking (moments from being shot supposedly, so we assume they were walking back south), or heard the unusual gunshots. There is supposedly a U-turn track near where the girls were shot. They were shot at the spot where the bodies were found. They were shot from the front. But, where they facing east when shot, kind of in a drive-by fashion, or where they shot facing north (having been confronted from someone coming up from behind, or where they shot from the south, the U-turn being in front of the girls).

A boot print is reported to have been found. Truck is white with a chrome strip on the side either a Chevy or Ford with OK plates. (I think it is a Chevy/GMC since they use that chrome on the side to tell what kind of truck it is: 1500, 2500, or Silverado, etc.)
The POI was described as acting suspicious, outside of the truck, with the truck parked at almost a perpendicular angle to the road.

Questions I have:
From a time standpoint, how did the girls cover that distance to the bridge and back? They are only 1/4 mile from the house when they are shot. If Skyla's mother calls at 5:08, how long did grandfather try to reach the girls on the cell before walking out after them?
1/4 shouldn't take but 5 minutes to walk, even slowly. And he doesn't see anything suspicious in the distance while walking. If Skyla's mother calls and says she is coming for the girls and they call the girls to come back, and Skyla's mother takes about 30 minutes to get to the house (5:08 to past 5:41, time of 911 call) what does that say how far they bridge is and how fast they think the girls are travelling? Reports indicate grandfather was concerned when girls didn't answer cellphone and took out after them shortly thereafter. But, if Skyla's mother calls at 5:08, why does he wait at least 15-20 minutes to go find the girls?
How could the girls have made that distance if the bridge was indeed 3/4 mile away? If they did make the bridge and were returning, it had closer.

If the girls saw something suspicious, why didn't they call home? Seems the phone wasn't answered
closer to the beginning of the walk.
Were the girls shot from a car for all the shots, or did someone get out and finish them off
upclose?

Quite impressed with this, TY! I know no witnesses saw the girls get into the truck with this 🤬🤬🤬, but could it be possible?
This 🤬🤬🤬 was clearly "pulled" over at a weird angle, where the witness stated in the road. Did the girls "jump" out of the car, then he shot them?

There is 15-20 mins. in there, that this could be possible?
 
  • #276
We don't know he waited 5 days to tell them.
They said the witness couldn't come forward earlier because he could be identified…

Why was the witness worried he would be identified?
Probably for fear that the killer would come after him.

If the killer knew the person, and the killer knew the person saw him then either way the killer would be able to identify him regardless of when he came forward…
so why wait to come forward with the information?

Also….if the killer didn’t know him then how could he identify him without seeing him?

And if he didn’t know him then why would the witness be worried about being identified?

The fact that they didn't give the details of what the witness saw until after the funerals...
IMO… they wanted to make sure the witness could attend the funerals without fear of being a target.

The witness may have felt that the POI got a very good look at him too and would know which witness snitched about seeing him. If he got such a good look at the POI to make the composite so detailed then I think it is highly likely the POI looked this witness right in the face. Chilling.

By him coming out, the witness knew he would know who had squealed on him and the witness knew this man was on the loose and whereabouts unknown.

I would be fearful too.

imo
 
  • #277
I am part Cherokee and grew up near Tulsa/Claremore and do know about Okla tribal territory vs civilian and the issues in presents in LE but most readers here at WS do not. And many here were not ALIVE (Or Adults) when the Girl Scout Murders happened (a case which has a few similarities sadly). I was just trying to give the basics so others would understand the challenges OSBI may face with a rural area, a Native American Male POI driving a PU/Truck in Oklahoma....on several fronts. I would suppose there are 100 people around the wider general area of the murders that match the description of the suspect - and not all would be 100% Native American (or tribal members) either. And the truck may, or may not, be owned by the POI.

The area is part of the Creek (Muscogee) Nation Jurisdiction Tribally. It's not a heavily populated stretch of counties from the TX border to Okmulgee - even less so since oil and gas went bust in the 90's and not a lot of industry or businesses for people to work at - that's why the avg income is so low. The location where this happened is just off two Interstates - not real far from the Creek Turnpike either -all are heavily traveled by many people NOT from the immediate area. On a sunny Sunday afternoon, well, it could have been anybody from NE Oklahoma in the area...plus assorted lost meth heads, gun nuts doing target practice and general partiers....all added to the "locals".

It's likely the POI is local, but not guaranteed. And if he has a brain he has cut his hair and the truck is gone or isn't readily identifiable any more. An ID would HAVE to come from someone who KNOWS him and if he is a criminal - they may be scared to ID him for many reasons - perhaps they fear what he knows on THEM? And there is always the chance the POI only SAW what happened and for whatever reason - including his own past record and not wanting to be incriminated - does not want to come forward.

It's all so "open" right now but there is one thing - if it is a tribal member the POI can hide for a very long time on tribal land and NEVER be found OR reported by his family.

My Opinion
 
  • #278
Has it been said whether or not Sklya's mother tried to call the girls on the cell phone before calling the home?
 
  • #279
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For example this link someone posted of someone's offender lookup:

http://docapp065p.doc.state.ok.us/s...ORTAL30&doc_num=189526&offender_book_id=82817

The male looks pale in the picture, depending on what month and how long he was incarcerated and when the picture was taken; in warmer months he may tan.

I can't believe that this 🤬🤬🤬 would be out in society. With burgulary, kidnapping and stolen vehicles, scary to think.

He would look older, and I agree a strong resemblance.
 
  • #280
Did the girls "jump" out of the car, then he shot them?
I first thought it was a possibility that the killer picked them up and then they got
out of his car so he shot them.

I had to draw this out on paper...

The girls are walking south and found on the west side of the road.
They are shot facing the killer and the killer made a u turn or partial u
turn.
So wouldn’t this mean that the truck was facing north after the u turn?
If so then the drivers door would be facing west towards the girls.
That would make it fast and easy for him to come up on them if they were
walking.

If they did jump from the car the passenger side would be on the east side of the road imo they wouldn't go towards the drivers door to get away they
would jump out of the car on the passenger side and go up the road
and wouldn’t that put the killer behind them and them on the wrong side of the road?
 
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