Skyla Whitaker, 11, & Taylor Placker 13 - Found Murdered - #5

[FlowerChild]

Hi Flowerchild,
If you can, watch the tape from last night's Greta.
The OFBI man said that one of the girls was found in the ditch. The other girl was laying with her head near where the stuffed bear is in the video.
I took that to mean the girls were laying perpendicular to each other. If that's true, the girls were not laying side by side next to the road.

I saw the video - what I was trying to say is BOTH girls fell with their heads in the direction of the road. One in the ditch next to the road (about 5' off the road) and one about 5 -8 feet further into the woods. I am going to try and make a sketch of what Rosser described at the scene.

My Opinion

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Where did the kids get not one but TWO handguns? One a 9mm Automatic? Any parent/adult in the area with a pulse would miss those guns from their house/gun safe in the wake of this I'd think. A kid/young adult with Shotgun or a Rifle wouldn't raise an eyebrow in that part of the country but a young person with a handgun (or two) would be notable outside a target shooting environment with a parent present.

Of course kids kill - they have killed and they will kill...some things are hardwired and sociopaths only require a slight nudge to blossom into Ted Bundy.

I don't see THIS murder as done by a kid (or kids) tho - too neatly accomplished at VERY close range and with two guns. There was an experienced adult killer (of humans) involved here I am thinking.

My Opinion

I don't know Flower...in one way it seems like someone who had little experience that did it imo. They shot nine times that we know of and it may have been even more times than that. I think a skilled hardened killer would have killed them without having to use two guns and multiple bullets.

But if it was a cold unfeeling murderer who had gotten ticked off highly about something then I do think they would have kept shooting just out of sheer rage and meanness.

So I am back and forth on that.

imoo

 

[Claycat]

In regards to my previous post about Joe Mosher and possibly having the alias of William Mosher. This is bizarre. I was inputting all the names of the indicted ones from the Bandidos gang in the Ok. offenders database. And who shows up? Smith Beal, indicted, has the same picture as William Mosher.
Now what is up with that??

OMG, you may be totally onto something, MissHolmes!

 

[SuziQ]

I agree and now we know that Joe Placker wasn't even a big player in the Federal case. I just still do not see why any family members would do this...even the family members that have less than spotless records. That seems even more unrealistic that they would just go shoot two girls, one who was their own kin.:waitasec:

I think it is like you are suggesting. Sometime between 4:30pm and 5:20pm I do think he saw them on the road somewhere before they were killed. What happened before they were killed when he did see them, I have no clue but imo he then formed the intent he was going to kill them both.

He certainly had the opportunity and he took it.

imoo

Joe's involvement may seem insignificant. Realize though most cases are plead down. The original involvement could have been much more serious. And I don't think anyone is suspecting the family of pulling the trigger or ordering a hit on these girls. It's the criminal element surrounding this family that is suspect and could have led to trouble.

 

[poco]

There is definately similarites there. The ears aren't exactly the same.

Btw, I noticed a large tattoo on his left lower arm on the front above his wrist area. Can anyone blow that up and see what kind of tatto it is?

Not much help, looks like a blob.........

 

[Claycat]

I was just looking and I don't think Smith Beal is William Mosher. The eyes and other parts of the face are not the same. That doesn't mean they couldn't be related!

http://docapp065p.doc.state.ok.us/s...=PORTAL30&doc_num=94817&offender_book_id=6304


However, I definitely think William Mosher is Joe Mosher.


http://docapp065p.doc.state.ok.us/se...er_book_id=792

http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/stuffe...s/girls_killed

 

[MissHolmes]

I was just looking and I don't think Smith Beal is William Mosher. The eyes and other parts of the face are not the same. That doesn't mean they couldn't be related!

http://docapp065p.doc.state.ok.us/s...=PORTAL30&doc_num=94817&offender_book_id=6304

Your right! Gad my eyes are failing now :crazy:

 

[poco]

http://docapp065p.doc.state.ok.us/s...=PORTAL30&doc_num=94817&offender_book_id=6304

to weird - Smith J. Beal...... Charles Alden...... DOB 6/3/49

http://docapp065p.doc.state.ok.us/s...a=PORTAL30&doc_num=74503&offender_book_id=792

William L Mosher aka Joe Mosher......... DOB 4/6/49

 

[MissHolmes]

What is strange is that under both the Beal photo and the Mosher photo, they were both taken the same day, March 24, 2000. Im assuming that is the date the pic was taken.

 

[Busylady]

These pictures are all starting to look the same, I knew I had seen the Beal photo before it was posted on thread 4 post 573. I also thought the Mosher and the Beal pictures were the same, thank you for pointing out that they are not.

 

[MissHolmes]

Just wondering....will we ever get a forum for this?

 

[Claycat]

You know, there is some pretty good info on these threads. Do you think LE ever checks out this site?

 

[Littledeer]

poco:

Thanks for the blowup on the tattoo. Your right, it does look like a blob.
Will have to work on it.

 

[SuziQ]

I'm reposting a post I made earlier today for anyone who thinks it may not be acceptable to delve into family connections. LE thinks it's relevant. We should as well. If you don't feel comfortable talking about the family, then don't. I'd hate to see this thread evolve into one where the discussion mainly focuses on what should and shouldn't be discussed.

Today, 10:29 AM
SuziQ

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http://newsok.com/town-tries-to-find...ticle/3258373/

(snip)
Weak clues concern kin
Armed with some new information but "nothing solid” from weekend roadblocks, investigators spent much of Monday re-interviewing friends and family members, said Jessica Brown, Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation spokeswoman.
"Everybody surrounding the two children are part of the questioning,” she said

 

[Littledeer]

William L Mosher aka Joe Mosher......... DOB 4/6/49

No wonder we are having problems.........William Joe

I do think you guys are on to something though. Even with the pics.

 

[MissHolmes]

I'm reposting a post I made earlier today for anyone who thinks it may not be acceptable to delve into family connections. LE thinks it's relevant. We should as well. If you don't feel comfortable talking about the family, then don't. I'd hate to see this thread evolve into one where the discussion mainly focuses on what should and shouldn't be discussed.

Today, 10:29 AM
SuziQ

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Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 6,561


http://newsok.com/town-tries-to-find...ticle/3258373/

(snip)
Weak clues concern kin
Armed with some new information but "nothing solid” from weekend roadblocks, investigators spent much of Monday re-interviewing friends and family members, said Jessica Brown, Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation spokeswoman.
"Everybody surrounding the two children are part of the questioning,” she said

And I wonder what the term "Weak clues concern kin" means? What weak clues are they talking about?

 

[Littledeer]

Flowerchild:

saw the video - what I was trying to say is BOTH girls fell with their heads in the direction of the road. One in the ditch next to the road (about 5' off the road) and one about 5 -8 feet further into the woods. I am going to try and make a sketch of what Rosser described at the scene.

Thanks!!!!!!!!! That would be great if you can do this.

 

[FlowerChild]

Here is a link to a photo of the crime scene and how I understood the body positioning to be from Rosser's interview.

Taylor was practically IN the road (in the ditch) and Sky was "just beyond her". Sky was not more than 5-8 feet off the road.

I MADE THIS so it is not guaranteed to be correct, but it is what I understood as Rosser was describing, pointing to and talking about.


http://www.websleuths.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=244&pictureid=2080

 

[kahskye]

Not much help, looks like a blob.........

Maybe I'm seeing things, but I see a dragon head. The neck is to the left, dark spot is an eye w/ nose/muzzle directly below.

 

[Littledeer]

MissHolmes:

When SuziQ posted that, I was wondering why the "kin" were worried about "weak clues" and NOT LE?? But something else came up and I lost that thought until now.

So is this saying that Taylor's and/or Paschal's family are concerned about the lack of clues left at the scene??