Skyla Whitaker, 11, & Taylor Placker 13 - Found Murdered - #5

[SuziQ]

Truly, I don't think it's just about discussing family, but not discussing other possibilities that can be. The focus of much discussion has been primarily the family on this thread as well as previous ones.

It's not about evolving into what should or should not be discussed, IMVHO, concerning family, but looking at it even further and beyond. Isn't that what Sleuthers do???

Please do discuss other possibilities. The family is being so heavily discussed because it's on the radar at the moment. Fear not, if other info comes out that takes us in another direction it will be discussed heavily. And I have seen a thread time and time again lose it's focus because of it becoming an issue of what should and shouldn't be discussed. I see it starting here and I don't want it to happen. It's a sure thread killer. Even our discussion at the moment is taking away from the thread.

ETA: I do not have the time to look them up at the moment. But there have been several comments in the past day or so stating specifically or insinuating that the family should not be discussed and that was I was responding to. Some may not see the connection or care. Many do though.

 

[looneymama]

Hey guys,
I've been following this case since the beginning, I'm a lurker ;-) I found this article that has new info (I don't think I've read this here yet at least)



http://www.fox23.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=b777db52-d923-42f6-bc6f-8b25f149eda6

How creepy, that poor family :-(

That's really scary. I'd get the f out of there if I were them. If these are the same people, they mean business.

 

[MissHolmes]

Hey guys,
I've been following this case since the beginning, I'm a lurker ;-) I found this article that has new info (I don't think I've read this here yet at least)



http://www.fox23.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=b777db52-d923-42f6-bc6f-8b25f149eda6

How creepy, that poor family :-(

Wow, thanks for that. I pray they stay safe.

 

[Littledeer]

SuziQ:

I believe it was you that had asked about the 6 witnesses. It took a while, but I found this on Thead 3, page 16:

We don't know if this man is local, we presume that, but we don't know. We have several witnesses who saw the man and we have several witnesses who heard gunshots. Witnesses say he acted suspiciously, but we don't know what he was doing there." Brown has described the man as American Indian, 6-feet-tall with brown eyes and a long black ponytail. Witnesses said the man was seen standing outside his truck on the county road where the girls were later found dead. Brown said witnesses told investigators that truck was blocking the road around the time of the shooting and the man was standing outside the truck. About six witnesses have given the same account, Brown said

http://newsok.com/investigators-wide...rticle/3256954

 

[txsvicki]

When I look at that tattoo, and tilt my head to the left it looks like a face to me. I see eyes.

It looks mostly like the frontal face and partial body of a snake but also possibly like the face of a wolf or a dog to me.

 

[Albert18]

OK I have been thinking about something.

We know they have several ear witnesses that heard gunshots but they have not released when the witnesses are saying they heard them.

We also know it was said that the POI sort of had his truck at an angle blocking the way in the road. Even though we do not know LE knows which side of the road he was on and which shoulder was closer. I wonder if it was the same side where the girls were?

What if he had just killed the girls and he saw the car coming up ahead so that is why he blocks their view and they couldn't see what he was doing. What if he was blocking the view of the girls bodies laying there until the witness could pass where he could leave after they had gone on by? That would make it more understandable why LE said they have evidence that someone did a u-turn in the road. He would not want to run up on the people in the vehicle again that had just past him back at the scene so he would go the other way.

imoo

On the OSBI website they say the witness saw the POI beside his vehicle and then minutes later the gunshots were heard. So it looks like they are saying when the POI was seen by his vehicle the girls were alive. So did this witness who saw the POI also see the girls walking?

 

[Albert18]

To follow up on the POI sighting by his vehicle and the gunshots. How does OSBI know the gunshots came a few minutes after the POI was seen by his vehicle. Did the person who saw the POI also hear the gunshots? Or are they saying the person who saw the POI by the vehicle noted the time and the people who heard the gunshots noted the time and the POI sighting came first. I don't have enough water to swallow that.

What isn't OSBI telling us?

ETA: This is how it is worded on the OSBI website: "Witnesses say he was there only minutes before the gun shots were heard."

 

[MissHolmes]

From the OSBI website: OSBI Forensic Artist Harvey Pratt met with the witnesses and has drawn a composite sketch of the person. OSBI believes he was at the scene minutes before the two girls were shot and killed. Agents want to interview him for possible leads in the case.

I wonder too if they were seen by the witnesses. There is so much we don't know about this case.

 

[strach304]

Hey guys,
I've been following this case since the beginning, I'm a lurker ;-) I found this article that has new info (I don't think I've read this here yet at least)



http://www.fox23.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=b777db52-d923-42f6-bc6f-8b25f149eda6

How creepy, that poor family :-(

Thank you and welcome to Websleuths. :blowkiss:

 

[strach304]

It looks mostly like the frontal face and partial body of a snake but also possibly like the face of a wolf or a dog to me.

Without the outline I thought it looked like Satan. Or at least certain versions of what he's supposed to look like

 

[rccook555]

I think it looks like the cartoon character, "Taz" Tazmanian Devil

Looks kind of like a black panther to me ...

 

[KR2tonenow]

Spazkat:

I'm so sorry if I came off the wrong way!! Didn't mean to. In rereading my post, I can see it was a little terse.

Sorry. If you read my posts, you can see I'm not that way.

Sorry!!

You're a sweetheart, don't fret so much.

 

[KR2tonenow]

LOL! No wonder couldn't find him. He's in the pokey. Duh! I must have looked at him a jillion times, but it didn't click. Double Duh!

Right, so this explains the theory that it could have been a hit. This felon is in on the possession of an controlled substance. What do we know about his lifestyle, does he deal drugs as well?

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Truly, I don't think it's just about discussing family, but not discussing other possibilities that can be. The focus of much discussion has been primarily the family on this thread as well as previous ones.

It's not about evolving into what should or should not be discussed, IMVHO, concerning family, but looking at it even further and beyond. Isn't that what Sleuthers do???

Well that is what I do, Data. I know that many are very interested in the family aspects of the case and want to discuss that in depth which is their right to certainly do that. I, however, do not see the family involved or think this was a retaliation hit on the family so my discussions and thoughts are more about the possibilities of another type of killer altogether.

I haven't seen anyone try to thwart any discussion here. I have seen some say, me included, that all the public documents and family kin lineage is a little overwhelming because there has been so much of it to consume.

I think we all have the same goal in mind and truly want this killer or killers to be brought to justice, whomever they are.... no matter where they came from.

imoo

 

[KR2tonenow]

No, the Families are not "suspect" in the murders, but saying the family has been cleared just means no-one in the family killed the girls or had them killed...NOT that someone associated with a family member or in their circle of current or past "associates" didn't.

Sadly, most in the Placker/Paschal family but Peter and Vicky seem to have some significant difficulty staying on the right side of the law and several of them who aren't in some sort of criminal/legal trouble are dating or married to, or living with or involved with someone who is, or has been incarcerated.

The family associations could be the KEY to this whole case...especially since G-Pa Placker reportedly screamed "they killed them" when he found the girls shot dead.

There are a LOT of criminal types hanging around the whole
Placker/Paschal Family - and there are so many of these associates and relatives revolving constantly in and out of jail/prison it is difficult to figure out which are "in" and which are "out" at any given time. This cannot be ignored in a murder that was "execution style" where evidence is slim and the POI in a detailed sketch cannot be located despite national coverage.

It is highly unlikely that this murder was done by a stranger who just drove down the road and shot "someone" - chances are this murder is related somehow to someone in the Placker Family or associated with the family. It was an "execution" by someone who knew what they were doing and wasn't just screwing around - vengeance, retaliation and "pay backs" come to mind. And with criminals, it could have started with something as small as a slight or an insult or as big as a snitch or ratting someone out.

I think the family tree is very important - it's telling us that the family may have had criminals in their home and the girls may have been exposed to such people. It's telling us that some family members had associates who were capable of ordering a hit and had access to guns and cash and probably stolen vehicles.

My Opinion

I agree with you 100%!

 

[KR2tonenow]

He (Joe Placker) is her "great uncle". He is her Grandfather's (Peter Placker) Brother.

Very close for comfort. Maybe Peter owed Joe money?

 

[MissHolmes]

This may be a stupid question, but has anyone read the board at insession for 6/16/2008 about these murders? Sorry to be elusive, its regarding one post about the murders and what a local said what happened. Rumor, rumor I know. Just curious, and to gruesome to post here. Please don't yell at me.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

On the OSBI website they say the witness saw the POI beside his vehicle and then minutes later the gunshots were heard. So it looks like they are saying when the POI was seen by his vehicle the girls were alive. So did this witness who saw the POI also see the girls walking?

I believe there is another witness who saw the girls walking. I don't think the first witness that saw the POI saw the girls.

Hmmm it would be interesting to know though if the witness who saw the POI had crossed over the bridge right before he got to the crime scene area and did not see the girls walking anywhere.

Also they have only commented on what the initial witness told them (the one who helped them with the sketch) but they are now saying that there are several people who saw him.

Yes, I concur. What are they not telling us? Hmmm

imoo

 

[KR2tonenow]

This Tony Paschal matches the picture on Linda Kaye Plackers page - if I am reading this right he was just released 5/19/2008?

http://docapp065p.doc.state.ok.us/s...=PORTAL30&doc_num=96494&offender_book_id=7634

linda's site for reference http://v4mp-b1tch.tripod.com/id14.html

This ones a career criminal, good grief!

Those girls were surrounded by some unsavory types.

 

[RoseRed]

SuziQ:

I believe it was you that had asked about the 6 witnesses. It took a while, but I found this on Thead 3, page 16:

We don't know if this man is local, we presume that, but we don't know. We have several witnesses who saw the man and we have several witnesses who heard gunshots. Witnesses say he acted suspiciously, but we don't know what he was doing there." Brown has described the man as American Indian, 6-feet-tall with brown eyes and a long black ponytail. Witnesses said the man was seen standing outside his truck on the county road where the girls were later found dead. Brown said witnesses told investigators that truck was blocking the road around the time of the shooting and the man was standing outside the truck. About six witnesses have given the same account, Brown said

http://newsok.com/investigators-wide...rticle/3256954

But I wonder if these six witnesses are from the truck of teens that were shooting down by the bridge? I still think there is too much detail in the POI drawing and too much detail about minutes after passing him hearing the shots. Along with the fact it took so long for these six witnesses to come forward with this information. I am still not entirely convinced these murders were not committed by teens.