Skyla Whitaker, 11, & Taylor Placker 13 - Found Murdered - #5

[luthersmama]

We don't know if Joe plead down. And Joe might be Taylors dad. That would make Taylor a target.

Joe did plead down. He was charged with several counts and pled guilty to one.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I got to thinking about what Skyla's grandmother said about when Skyla's mom called her to tell her about this and to come. IIRC she said she called around 5:20.

I think Mr. Placker found the children's bodies and then very shortly thereafter Skyla's mom was seen coming down the road toward them. It has been said that he rushed to console her mother and telling her the children were gone. So that means Mrs. Whitaker was there almost as long as PP was. He was not alone the full time but only a very short time. It had to be one of the worst experiences of his and her life. I can see why it took him a few short minutes before he called 911. He not only had to deal with the horror of what he had seen but he also tried to console a shocked and dismayed mother of the other dead child.

That would be about right. Someone on here said that Skyla lived about 15 miles away from Taylor so if the mom left right after she had called Taylor's mom she would be getting to that area right about then.

I am now believing that the children may have already been dead when the calls from the grandmother/mom to Taylor went unanswered. It just seems to me if the cell phone had rung in the perps presence when they were alive he would have tried to stomp the phone or carry it with him.

imoo

 

[EnvoyDriver61]

IIRC she said she called around 5:20.

I believe in her Greta or Nancy Grace interview last week, she stated the call was at 5:08.

My opinion is that this call lasted about 2 minutes (5:08 - 5:10). They then call the girls to tell them to come back home (5:12-5:14). No answer. Waits a few minutes. Doesn't see girls. Takes out at 5:20 to search for girls. It only takes him about 4 minutes to walk 900 yards at 3 mph. Finds them around 5:25 (per adjusted timeline from Rosser video the other day).

Originally, the timeline was about 5:00 p.m. to 5:30 and we concluded the girls had left the house at 5:00 p.m. However, in retrospect, they must have been piecemealing information to the public to get only certain types of information. For example, they may have had a ton of information initially that the girls were alive at 4:30 - 5:00 p.m., having been seen by a lot of witnesses.

It was the 5:00 - 5:25 time frame that they were most interested in, especially after the POI was identified.

My opinion is that the girls were killed between 5:08 and 5:13, if Skyla's grandmother's time is correct.

I really wish they'd release the timeline they think they have. I don't think they realize how valuable that might be. They think they really need that last piece of the puzzle that they think the POI can provide.

 

[JBean]

'On the Record' at the Oklahoma Girls' Crime Scene


This is a rush transcript from "On the Record ," June 16, 2008. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.
GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, FOX NEWS HOST: There's breaking news tonight in the double murder of two young girls in Oklahoma. Police have now released a picture -- or actually, a sketch of this person of interest. Taylor Placker and Skyla Whitaker were shot in the head and chest while taking a walk Sunday, June 8, in the small town of Weleetka, Oklahoma. Police say that this man was scene standing near the crime scene around the time the murders took place. Who is this man?
Joining us live from Tulsa is Manny Gamallo, reporter for the Tulsa World. Manny, what can you tell me about who is the source of this sketch, who gave the information?

That settles the Mister/Richard debate;
ROSSER: . That's where Mr. Placker found the girls later this afternoon.
snip
And then we can tell you that the father, Mr. Placker, found the girls sometime around 5:25, less than an hour they were last seen at the house, walking this way
snip
So Mr. Placker walked down toward the bridge here, which is another 400

 

[SuziQ]

Joe did plead down. He was charged with several counts and pled guilty to one.

Thanks for the info. I've learned that the actual crime is usually worse than what the final outcome is. So many charges are plead down in exchange for information or a lesser sentence. Then you have to wonder about the crimes that they commit that they are never charged with.

 

[Albert18]

How did Peter know the girls were dead and so was in no hurry to call for an ambulance? With this timeline the girls should have still been warm to the touch. You can't trust finding a pulse. And people can have some pretty nasty injuries and still be alive.

 

[Clearly Confused]

How did Peter know the girls were dead and so was in no hurry to call for an ambulance? With this timeline the girls should have still been warm to the touch. You can't trust finding a pulse. And people can have some pretty nasty injuries and still be alive.

I'm only guessing but I would think that if they were shot in the head he assumed they were dead.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

How did Peter know the girls were dead and so was in no hurry to call for an ambulance? With this timeline the girls should have still been warm to the touch. You can't trust finding a pulse. And people can have some pretty nasty injuries and still be alive.

OMG, it is very easy to recognize when someone is deceased especially when they have been riddled with bullets.

I think they died very shortly after the barrage of bullets hit them in the chest and head.

imo

 

[Dalaipardon]

Hi all- I just joined, having been a "lurker" for 5 yrs. or so now. This case hits close to home as I used to be a small-town okie girl who took long walks down country roads with her best friend.
I'm familiar with Okfuskee county because I've done fieldwork in the area for several years, so maybe I can help if anyone has questions about the lay of the land.

I thought I'd give y'all a break from thinking about the family tree (it makes my head spin - I personally think Taylor looks like Linda, though) and list some info. about the area that may be relevant:

-there is a 24-hr. casino called the Golden Pony at the Thlopthlocco tribal town (not really a town as we think of it, just an admin. building, the casino, a crafts business, and a parking lot which I believe has surveillence cameras) at the Clearview Rd. exit off I-40 (one of 2 exits which people take to Weleetka). This is no more than 5 miles from where the girls were killed.
-there is a men's prison, the J.H. Lilley, outside of Boley, which is about 20-30 mins. away.
-there's a rodeo outside of Clearview each August, which is generally nice but has been known to bring in a bad element from time to time. This takes place in a field just a few miles from where the girls were killed. This is predominantly an Af.-Am. rodeo, however, so the gangs are mostly crips/bloods and not Hell's Angels/bandidos.
-the County Line Rd. is a country road, but it wouldn't be too hard for someone to find it. It's not completely remote, so I don't necessarily think the POI had to know beforehand that he was going there.
-Okfuskee county is mostly Creek. If the POI is someone who was familiar with the area and who has NA heritage, then I would assume that he is Creek or partly so.
-I don't think anyone would be killed over a roll # or head rights. Most people I know have some roll # somewhere in their family, and many try to get benefits. The tribes are very used to that. It's good to think creatively about these things, though.
-Rural Oklahoma has really changed in the past 10-15 yrs. Meth. has become such a problem and the recent growth of casino culture has created its own issues.

 

[OrdinaryLife]

OMG, it is very easy to recognize when someone is deceased especially when they have been riddled with bullets.

I think they died very shortly after the barrage of bullets hit them in the chest and head.

imo

I agree with you. It's a very good bet that this poor man walked onto a total horror scene and one that poor man will never be able to get out of his mind.

 

[Morag]

I wonder how much Skyla's family knew of Taylor's family history when she spent the night with her so many times. I think about the times my children spent the night with friends that I knew a little about the family, but really not much. I am not saying there is a family connection. It just seems a lot of the family have been in trouble with the law. I just wish they would solve this. Someone did this, but it is putting a lot of suspicion on people who may be innocent. I would be so worried if I lived in the area. There has to be a fear that it might happen to someone else if it isn't solved.

Annie, I have wondered about this myself. If I knew that the parents of one of my son's friends were noble, salt-of-the-earth types; but that the entire extended family was larded with inmates, ex- cons, gang members, and druggies, there's no way in hell my kid would go to sleepovers there. Yes, it does fall unfairly on the shoulders of the noble and innocent child and parents, but you protect your child. And allowing them to become too closely associated with such a family is something most parents would never do.

From the most recently posted Fox news story: with a long ponytail or shoulder length hair.

The hair length keeps getting described in various ways. One of the early descriptions says that the pony falls to "the small of his back". If that's so, then the length should be consistently described. I know lotsa guys with shoulder length hair or even a long ponytail. But guys with a pony to his waist- not so much.

 

[Busylady]

Ok now I am confused on the timeline
Skylas mom calls at 5:08 pm to say she is on her way
Grandfather cannot reach the girls goes looking for them
Skylas grandmother gets a call and knows something is wrong at 5:20
911 call made at 5:41
The 911 call was not made for more than 20 minutes after finding the girls?

 

[Patience]

Hi all- I just joined, having been a "lurker" for 5 yrs. or so now. This case hits close to home as I used to be a small-town okie girl who took long walks down country roads with her best friend.
I'm familiar with Okfuskee county because I've done fieldwork in the area for several years, so maybe I can help if anyone has questions about the lay of the land.

I thought I'd give y'all a break from thinking about the family tree (it makes my head spin - I personally think Taylor looks like Linda, though) and list some info. about the area that may be relevant:

-there is a 24-hr. casino called the Golden Pony at the Thlopthlocco tribal town (not really a town as we think of it, just an admin. building, the casino, a crafts business, and a parking lot which I believe has surveillence cameras) at the Clearview Rd. exit off I-40 (one of 2 exits which people take to Weleetka). This is no more than 5 miles from where the girls were killed.
-there is a men's prison, the J.H. Lilley, outside of Boley, which is about 20-30 mins. away.
-there's a rodeo outside of Clearview each August, which is generally nice but has been known to bring in a bad element from time to time. This takes place in a field just a few miles from where the girls were killed. This is predominantly an Af.-Am. rodeo, however, so the gangs are mostly crips/bloods and not Hell's Angels/bandidos.
-the County Line Rd. is a country road, but it wouldn't be too hard for someone to find it. It's not completely remote, so I don't necessarily think the POI had to know beforehand that he was going there.
-Okfuskee county is mostly Creek. If the POI is someone who was familiar with the area and who has NA heritage, then I would assume that he is Creek or partly so.
-I don't think anyone would be killed over a roll # or head rights. Most people I know have some roll # somewhere in their family, and many try to get benefits. The tribes are very used to that. It's good to think creatively about these things, though.
-Rural Oklahoma has really changed in the past 10-15 yrs. Meth. has become such a problem and the recent growth of casino culture has created its own issues.

Welcome and thanks so much for your insight into the area and for the distraction from the family tree. I also think Linda resembles Taylor and the poem Linda wrote sound like she loved her like a Mother would.

 

[OrdinaryLife]

Ok now I am confused on the timeline
Skylas mom calls at 5:08 pm to say she is on her way
Grandfather cannot reach the girls goes looking for them
Skylas grandmother gets a call and knows something is wrong at 5:20
911 call made at 5:41
The 911 call was not made for more than 20 minutes after finding the girls?

Could it possibly be because of panic and shock??? I can't imagine how the grandfather must of been....I do not think it was as intentional thing, but more in regards to overwhelming emotions. Shock being the biggest. Also, could it be possible they scoped out the area looking for who could have done this? I am sure they were not thinking clearly at all.

IMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Ok now I am confused on the timeline
Skylas mom calls at 5:08 pm to say she is on her way
Grandfather cannot reach the girls goes looking for them
Skylas grandmother gets a call and knows something is wrong at 5:20
911 call made at 5:41
The 911 call was not made for more than 20 minutes after finding the girls?

It seems all hell was breaking loose on the dirt road. Taylor's dad had just found the two girls laying dead with shots to the head and chest and he doesn't even have time to digest that horror before he sees Skyla's mother coming toward him and the girls. I cannot begin to imagine the emotions going through that man's mind. He not only had to deal with his own shock and shearing pain, loss but he knew he had to rush to Skyla's mothers side and tell her the one thing she never wanted to hear and try to keep her from seeing what he will remember for the rest of his life.

If I was having to do all of that....it may have taken me even longer to calm down enough to then call 911.

imoo

 

[Garnan]

Dalaipardon, welcome and thank you!

 

[SuziQ]

Dalaipardon, Thanks for the info and welcome to WS!

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Could it possibly be because of panic and shock??? I can't imagine how the grandfather must of been....I do not think it was as intentional thing, but more in regards to overwhelming emotions. Shock being the biggest. Also, could it be possible they scoped out the area looking for who could have done this? I am sure they were not thinking clearly at all.

IMO

Me either. Mrs. Whitaker was there too. I don't think either one was in any emotional shape at the time when it first happened to call 911. I think they were both hysterical and so distraught.

My heart just breaks thinking about them all alone on that country dirt road with those two precious children dead in a ditch. I cannot imagine the horror it must have been for them.

imo

 

[Busylady]

Oh I agree with the shock part, I am not sure I would be even able to call 911 if I found a loved one like that. It just jumped out at me because Skylas grandmother said the bodies were covered when she got there, so it was assumed that the paramedics had arrived by the time she got there. If she was called at 5:20 she would of been there before the 911 call was made at 5:40?

Could it possibly be because of panic and shock??? I can't imagine how the grandfather must of been....I do not think it was as intentional thing, but more in regards to overwhelming emotions. Shock being the biggest. Also, could it be possible they scoped out the area looking for who could have done this? I am sure they were not thinking clearly at all.

IMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Welcome Dalaipardon!