Skyla Whitaker, 11, & Taylor Placker 13 - Found Murdered - #7

[Beyond Belief]

If they have done line ups with some of these guys and the witnesses cannot positively ID them, will we hear nothing. Lots of cases go unsolved even though LE thinks they have their guy because witnesses fail to be positive.

 

[Trino]

Wonder where Timothy has been hanging out since his release. Do you suppose OSBI is looking for him and can't locate him? He's a level 3 sex offender with a lifetime registration. Seems a good reason to detain him if he hasn't registered his address.

 

[cloudajo]

Albert and PoorPaula, thanks for posting earlier video of woman who heard shots.

Just to re-cap, she and her son were outside and heard the shots - they live less than 1 mile from where Taylor and Skyla died. They heard what sounded like automatic weapon fire.

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Reporter: Rebecca Kelough lives less than 1 mile from where Taylor and Skyla died. Both were shot multiple times. Rebecca heard the shots.

Kelough: “The ones that sounded like automatic weapon fire went de de de de de de, de de de de de, and then de de de. And my son and I were outside. He heard it also.”


http://www.kjrh.com/mediacenter/loca...com&navCatId=3

 

[Trino]

Albert and PoorPaula, thanks for posting earlier video of woman who heard shots.

Just to re-cap, she and her son were outside and heard the shots - they live less than 1 mile from where Taylor and Skyla died. They heard what sounded like automatic weapon fire.

I thought OSBI stated there was one car (unknown # of occupants) that actually saw the POI and that the other witnesses were ones who heard gunfire. However, several posters have alluded to there being more physical witnesses to the POI. BUT, Timothy Creech is local. Wouldn't the witnesses have been able to identify him?

 

[DeltaDawn]

Albert and PoorPaula, thanks for posting earlier video of woman who heard shots.

Just to re-cap, she and her son were outside and heard the shots - they live less than 1 mile from where Taylor and Skyla died. They heard what sounded like automatic weapon fire.

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Reporter: Rebecca Kelough lives less than 1 mile from where Taylor and Skyla died. Both were shot multiple times. Rebecca heard the shots.

Kelough: “The ones that sounded like automatic weapon fire went de de de de de de, de de de de de, and then de de de. And my son and I were outside. He heard it also.”


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Cloud thank you for bringing that to our attention.

The automatic weapon fire says to me drugs or meth being cooked, bought or sold. They would carry automatic weapons to be able to secure their area..whatever was going down. I don't think an ordinary citizen out on a Sunday late afternoon would be carrying an automatic weapon...but I could be wrong.

 

[cloudajo]

Sorry, I know things have been posted about the possible guns used. Can someone re-cap what we know other than 2 guns used and shell casing found? I don't know much about guns, but was reading again about the boys who were down at the bridge shooting that Sunday and who had a shotgun. Not sure what kind of shotgun. Rosser said there is nothing to indicate they are suspects. But I want to know more about that.
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Shotgun:

• Also known as a fowling piece or scattergun

· Come in wide variety, including breech loading double barreled shotguns, pump-action, bolt-action, lever-action, and semi-automatic models
· Typical use is against small and/or fast moving targets
· The spreading of the shot allows the user to point the shotgun close to the target rather than having to aim precisely as in the case of a single projectile
· Disadvantages of shot are limited range and limited penetration of the shot
· Advantages are enormous stopping power at short range, more than nearly all handguns and comparible to most rifle cartridges
· Wide spread of shot produced makes it easier to aim and to be used by inexperienced marksmen
· Multiple wound channels of a defensive load are far more likely to produce a disabling wound than a rifle or handgun

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shotgun

 

[DeltaDawn]

If we're just centering the discussion on TC, I'm guessing that LE has been focusing on him for a while. Why, however, hasn't OSBI or news media mentioned him?

News media won't mention him until he is named the POI due to liable and slander. OSBI isn't going to mention his name until they are positive it is him. I think mentioning his name before arrest wouldn't help because he likely has friends and associates who would hide him anyway and not turn him in to LE.

Of course that seems to be the case with whoever this POI is that witnesses saw. No one seems to know him..yet the police felt it was someone local involved. Maybe it is a local and the POI is not local, since it's possible there is more then 1 person involved.

 

[Elphaba]

Sorry, I know things have been posted about the possible guns used. Can someone re-cap what we know other than 2 guns used and shell casing found? I don't know much about guns, but was reading again about the boys who were down at the bridge shooting that Sunday and who had a shotgun. Not sure what kind of shotgun. Rosser said there is nothing to indicate they are suspects. But I want to know more about that.
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Shotgun:

I asked about that, too, yesterday. I would hope that LE would have ran ballistic tests on the guns the boys were using down there before declaring them not involved. There is a scenario that could have easily played out: the boys got bored with shooting down by the bridge and decided to shoot the girls for the thrill of it. As I see it, they had a gun/(maybe guns?)... they were in the area shooting... it should have put them at the top of the suspect list until their gun was thoroughly tested in a lab.

 

[cloudajo]

I asked about that, too, yesterday. I would hope that LE would have ran ballistic tests on the guns the boys were using down there before declaring them not involved. There is a scenario that could have easily played out: the boys got bored with shooting down by the bridge and decided to shoot the girls for the thrill of it. As I see it, they had a gun/(maybe guns?)... they were in the area shooting... it should have put them at the top of the suspect list until their gun was thoroughly tested in a lab.

Yes, and I wonder:

• Was it typical to hear gunshots in the area? If so, was it typical to hear "automatic weapon fire" -like shots?
• Who went to the bridge on Sundays and that Sunday?
• What time were the boys there? Did they see Taylor and Skyla? Did they know them?
• Did the boys hear the shots?
• What did Taylor's cell phone show with regard to any text messages or calls incoming/outgoing before they went to the bridge?

 

[Trino]

I asked about that, too, yesterday. I would hope that LE would have ran ballistic tests on the guns the boys were using down there before declaring them not involved. There is a scenario that could have easily played out: the boys got bored with shooting down by the bridge and decided to shoot the girls for the thrill of it. As I see it, they had a gun/(maybe guns?)... they were in the area shooting... it should have put them at the top of the suspect list until their gun was thoroughly tested in a lab.

If I correctly recall, OSBI has eliminated the boys, since Rosser stated they were 3 miles away. I'm certain their weapons were scrutinized, too. I also don't think the boys would have been shooting semi-automatic weapons, which it appears these weapons were, although OSBI has not released the type of weapons yet.

 

[cloudajo]

If I correctly recall, OSBI has eliminated the boys, since Rosser stated they were 3 miles away. I'm certain their weapons were scrutinized, too. I also don't think they boys would have been shooting semi-automatic weapons, which it appears these weapons were, although OSBI has not released the type of weapons yet.

Thanks. Perhaps he said they were 3 miles away at the time the girls were shot then?

Because this article says the bridge is a popular place for teens to gather and shoot guns, Rosser says the boys told them they were down there shooting, just like they would have been on any Sunday. I assume he meant at Bad Creek Bridge.
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The bridge along County Line Road is a popular place for teens to gather and shoot guns, Rosser said.

Agents looked into a tip Wednesday morning that someone reported a pickup full of boys in the area around the time of the killings.

"We contacted those individuals, and yes, they had a shotgun,” Rosser said. "They told us they were down there shooting, just like they would have been on any Sunday. There's nothing to indicate that they are suspects.”

http://www.newsok.com/news/weleetkaslayings

 

[cloudajo]

Some posters at IS sent the info about Creech to OSBI and also called tip line too. Not that the OSBI didn't have the info before as many have stated, but it can't hurt...

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Sorry, I know things have been posted about the possible guns used. Can someone re-cap what we know other than 2 guns used and shell casing found? I don't know much about guns, but was reading again about the boys who were down at the bridge shooting that Sunday and who had a shotgun. Not sure what kind of shotgun. Rosser said there is nothing to indicate they are suspects. But I want to know more about that.
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Shotgun:

• Also known as a fowling piece or scattergun

· Come in wide variety, including breech loading double barreled shotguns, pump-action, bolt-action, lever-action, and semi-automatic models
· Typical use is against small and/or fast moving targets
· The spreading of the shot allows the user to point the shotgun close to the target rather than having to aim precisely as in the case of a single projectile
· Disadvantages of shot are limited range and limited penetration of the shot
· Advantages are enormous stopping power at short range, more than nearly all handguns and comparable to most rifle cartridges
· Wide spread of shot produced makes it easier to aim and to be used by inexperienced marksmen
· Multiple wound channels of a defensive load are far more likely to produce a disabling wound than a rifle or handgun

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shotgun

A shotgun is used primarily to bring down small game such as birds.

I do not believe a shotgun was used even though a close up shot would be horrific and deadly. The shotgun pellets come out in a spraying pattern widening as they are disbursed. The further away the less power. If the pellets enters the body it can do massive damage especially if fired at a close distance. There would be no way that the ME could tell that there were so many shots made to the children because a shotgun blast literally can rip the tissue, skin and bone away. Also the casings are usually plastic with brass on the end and I am not aware that they automatically eject where the shotgun "shells" would be found on the ground there. With LE using "bullet casings" this IMO shows it was not a shotgun that was used. Shotgun shells are not considered "bullets" but are called "shells". Bullets means it was one projectile like a handgun or a rifle etc.

If a shotgun had been used to the chest and head then the caskets would have been closed from viewing IMO.

imo

 

[SuziQ]

I thought OSBI stated there was one car (unknown # of occupants) that actually saw the POI and that the other witnesses were ones who heard gunfire. However, several posters have alluded to there being more physical witnesses to the POI. BUT, Timothy Creech is local. Wouldn't the witnesses have been able to identify him?

He only moved to the area three weeks before the girls were killed. So he may not be recognizable to many people.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Does anyone want me to put up what was said in the People magazine article?

imoo

 

[SuziQ]

Does anyone want me to put up what was said in the People magazine article?

imoo

I don't mind. Was the one posted a few pages back the entire article? Also, is there a link yet so the copyright rules aren't violated?

 

[MissHolmes]

The article was posted on this thread #50. No reason not to post it again but just shows how much we need a forum.

Does anyone want me to put up what was said in the People magazine article?

imoo

 

[SuziQ]

A shotgun is used primarily to bring down small game such as birds.

imo

I know you've mentioned a rapid fire revolver in the past. You know alot more about guns than I do. What's your guess as to what two weapons were used?

 

[GetSmart]

http://www.buzzle.com/articles/no-leads-in-murder-of-oklahoma-girls.html
GP talking about her walks.
"She hardly ever does it at the same time every day," he said. "Sometimes she'll do it in the morning, sometimes she'll do it in the afternoon, sometimes she'll do it about an hour or two before dark."

Also It was mentioned that that road was used by alot of ranchers & farmers.. How about a ranch hand?

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I don't mind. Was the one posted a few pages back the entire article? Also, is there a link yet so the copyright rules aren't violated?

I better hold off because I don't want to infringe on the copyright laws.

I just saw it on another site and thought some of the posters here may be interested.

imo