Skyla Whitaker, 11, & Taylor Placker 13 - Found Murdered - #7

[SuziQ]

http://www.buzzle.com/articles/no-leads-in-murder-of-oklahoma-girls.html
GP talking about her walks.
"She hardly ever does it at the same time every day," he said. "Sometimes she'll do it in the morning, sometimes she'll do it in the afternoon, sometimes she'll do it about an hour or two before dark."

Also It was mentioned that that road was used by alot of ranchers & farmers.. How about a ranch hand?

That type of help can be transient. I wonder if they've located them all?

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I know you've mentioned a rapid fire revolver in the past. You know alot more about guns than I do. What's your guess as to what two weapons were used?

I really don't know but I would think one had to be a lower caliber and one a larger caliber. That could mean both could have been long guns or handguns. There is such a wide range to pick from.

But from the description given I am thinking it was a semi-automatic fired first...tat, tat, tat.....to Taylor and then tat,tat, tat to Skyla in a rapid fire posture. He may have only had 6 bullets left in his clip for that weapon (makes me wonder if he had been target practicing too that day) so he fired the lower powered caliber last which still can be lethal and imo it was so unnecessary. I think they would have died from the first multiple wounds they sustained.

imo

 

[Littledeer]

oceanblueeyes:

That sounds so horrific! If the gun was fired that way, would that mean there was no "aim" taken, just a rapid firing. Possibly the last shot being an exact aim to the girls head to ensure they were dead?

 

[cloudajo]

I really don't know but I would think one had to be a lower caliber and one a larger caliber. That could mean both could have been long guns or handguns. There is such a wide range to pick from.

But from the description given I am thinking it was a semi-automatic fired first...tat, tat, tat.....to Taylor and then tat,tat, tat to Skyla in a rapid fire posture. He may have only had 6 bullets left in his clip for that weapon (makes me wonder if he had been target practicing too that day) so he fired the lower powered caliber last which still can be lethal and imo it was so unnecessary. I think they would have died from the first multiple wounds they sustained.

imo

Thanks for the info.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

oceanblueeyes:

That sounds so horrific! If the gun was fired that way, would that mean there was no "aim" taken, just a rapid firing. Possibly the last shot being an exact aim to the girls head to ensure they were dead?

No, even when a gun is rapidly fired. The shooter always has the target in their sight and the gun aimed at the target.

All of these shots were specifically toward the girls. By hitting them in the head and chest shows his aim was for them and vital areas.

imoo

 

[GetSmart]

oceanblueeyes:

That sounds so horrific! If the gun was fired that way, would that mean there was no "aim" taken, just a rapid firing. Possibly the last shot being an exact aim to the girls head to ensure they were dead?

"There's obviously an issue here where the shooter wanted these girls dead and certainly carried that to its fullest extent," Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation Inspector Stan Florence told FOX News.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,365081,00.html
ETA link

 

[Littledeer]

I'll be the first to say I don't know anything about guns.

So this question might sound stupid for those who know guns.

Are we talking rifles here as oppossed to shot guns? When I think of rifles, I think of it being up on the shoulder and the shooter looks through a hole for the aim? With a shot gun, I'm not picturing this, I'm picturing someone lifting the gun and aiming by visual by the waist area or thereabouts.

Is this close???

 

[Littledeer]

GetSmart:

Could you post a link so when we get our forum (hint hint), so it can be posted under the media thread?

Thanks!!

 

[cloudajo]

I really don't know but I would think one had to be a lower caliber and one a larger caliber. That could mean both could have been long guns or handguns. There is such a wide range to pick from.

But from the description given I am thinking it was a semi-automatic fired first...tat, tat, tat.....to Taylor and then tat,tat, tat to Skyla in a rapid fire posture. He may have only had 6 bullets left in his clip for that weapon (makes me wonder if he had been target practicing too that day) so he fired the lower powered caliber last which still can be lethal and imo it was so unnecessary. I think they would have died from the first multiple wounds they sustained.

imo

The one witness we heard from (Rebecca Kelough) described what sounded like automatic weapon fire (5 sounds, 5 sounds, 3 sounds). She says "The ones that sounded like automatic weapon fire went..." almost like she heard different types of shots. I wonder if she heard other shots as well and if so, was there a lapse in time between rapid fire shots and other shots?

 

[GetSmart]

This is a link to news stories relating
http://www.topix.com/wire/city/weleetka-ok/p3

Weleetka Wire (Page 3)

Comprehensive News Feed for Weleetka, OK.

 

[SuziQ]

The one witness we heard from (Rebecca Kelough) described what sounded like automatic weapon fire (5 sounds, 5 sounds, 3 sounds). She says "The ones that sounded like automatic weapon fire went..." almost like she heard different types of shots. I wonder if she heard other shots as well and if so, was there a lapse in time between rapid fire shots and other shots?

Hearing two different weapons at the same time would most likely indicate two people. I'm interpreting her saying the first two bursts were from one weapon. Not sure of her description on the the third set.

 

[SuziQ]

I'll be the first to say I don't know anything about guns.

So this question might sound stupid for those who know guns.

Are we talking rifles here as oppossed to shot guns? When I think of rifles, I think of it being up on the shoulder and the shooter looks through a hole for the aim? With a shot gun, I'm not picturing this, I'm picturing someone lifting the gun and aiming by visual by the waist area or thereabouts.

Is this close???

I'll defer that question to our resident gun expert. lol.

 

[KR2tonenow]

Thanks. Perhaps he said they were 3 miles away at the time the girls were shot then?

Because this article says the bridge is a popular place for teens to gather and shoot guns, Rosser says the boys told them they were down there shooting, just like they would have been on any Sunday. I assume he meant at Bad Creek Bridge.
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The bridge along County Line Road is a popular place for teens to gather and shoot guns, Rosser said.

Agents looked into a tip Wednesday morning that someone reported a pickup full of boys in the area around the time of the killings.

"We contacted those individuals, and yes, they had a shotgun,” Rosser said. "They told us they were down there shooting, just like they would have been on any Sunday. There's nothing to indicate that they are suspects.”

[URL="http://www.newsok.com/news/weleetkaslayings"]http://www.newsok.com/news/weleetkaslayings[/URL]

Why would the Grandpa allow his "daughter" to go down to a bridge with boys shooting guns anyway?

 

[KR2tonenow]

Some posters at IS sent the info about Creech to OSBI and also called tip line too. Not that the OSBI didn't have the info before as many have stated, but it can't hurt...

Do you have the link?

 

[KR2tonenow]

The article was posted on this thread #50. No reason not to post it again but just shows how much we need a forum.

What needs to be done to get a forum?

 

[KR2tonenow]

http://www.buzzle.com/articles/no-leads-in-murder-of-oklahoma-girls.html
GP talking about her walks.
"She hardly ever does it at the same time every day," he said. "Sometimes she'll do it in the morning, sometimes she'll do it in the afternoon, sometimes she'll do it about an hour or two before dark."

Also It was mentioned that that road was used by alot of ranchers & farmers.. How about a ranch hand?

When is the exact date Taylor started walking these roads? Was it started since school was out, by the way I think Friday was the last day of school and she was shot on Sunday.

What does anyone know about this all boy school, that these 2 young girls were attending? What do we know about the population of Weeleka?
Do the parents of these boys have criminal pasts? What are the teachers like that teach at this school? Could something have happened at the school and the girls were silenced?

 

[GetSmart]

This area is a hot bed for this stuff. Right under their nose..hello

Published: June 20, 2008 12:05 pm
Suspected meth lab burns across from city hall
By Susan Brittingham and Jeremy HIggins
Staff Writers

A suspected drug lab was apparently operating within a stone’s throw from the city’s police and fire department and no one noticed until it exploded.

Law enforcement officials allege two men set up a meth lab in a house at 305 N. First St. According to fire department officials, that house caught fire early Thursday morning.

http://www.mcalesternews.com/homepage/local_story_172120531.html?keyword=leadpicturestory

 

[KR2tonenow]

"There's obviously an issue here where the shooter wanted these girls dead and certainly carried that to its fullest extent," Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation Inspector Stan Florence told FOX News.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,365081,00.html
ETA link

TY, for the update!
<snip
Rosser said they believe someone from the community may have committed the crime.
"The reason we're just looking at possibly a local person: Because of the location there, it's just not likely somebody pulled off U.S. 75 or I-40 and just stopped there," he said.
>snip

There you go. Someone isn't talking, or afraid to talk to to OSBI.

Also,
For a year, Taylor had made the quarter-mile walk down the road to the bridge daily as exercise, Placker told FOXNews.com.

 

[Littledeer]

What needs to be done to get a forum?

A lot of begging I sent an email already for a request to have a forum. We will have to wait and see what the decision is.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I'll be the first to say I don't know anything about guns.

So this question might sound stupid for those who know guns.

Are we talking rifles here as opposed to shot guns? When I think of rifles, I think of it being up on the shoulder and the shooter looks through a hole for the aim? With a shot gun, I'm not picturing this, I'm picturing someone lifting the gun and aiming by visual by the waist area or thereabouts.

Is this close???

Yes, they raise the rifle to their shoulder take aim and fire....even when using a shotgun that is done. Most people have scopes on their rifles although if the target is close no scope is needed.

But a shotgun was not used in these crimes imo. A shotgun blast has a very significant distinct BOOM! each time it is shot. Anyone growing up around guns would know instantly the difference between hearing an automatic or semi-automatic weapon being fired from a shotgun.

The reason I don't necessarily believe it was a full automatic instead of a semi-automatic is the short pause from one set of shots to the other then the last group. We will see these mass shooters use AK15-47s or whatever that do these school killings. They point the gun toward a group of people and continuously let a spray of bullets expel from the barrel of the gun. They usually have no lulls but use all the bullets and then use a different gun or reload.

I am not a gun expert by any means but I do know about them growing up around them here in the south.

imoo