Skyla Whitaker, 11, & Taylor Placker 13 - Found Murdered - #9

[Littledeer]

oceanblueeyes:

When I saw that video this morning, it said it was Tony Paschal-Placker talking.

They must have had the wrong grandfather's name on it then. I cannot see videos as I have dial up and don't have the right software according to Tom'sGirl.

I will go back and edit my post to read Peter Placker.

Thanks for letting me know!!:blowkiss:

 

[Littledeer]

I wish they had gone national earlier! That sketch is one of the best I have ever seen, so I figured no problem in finding him.

It's now going on the third week, so he is either long long gone, or he is dead.

I don't think that it is someone that altered his appearance (how could he with the way he looked?) as I think it was a spur of the moment killing.

 

[murdershewrote]

The Character of Chihuahuas

The Chihuahua is an excellent companion for singles and the elderly. They are very spry and can leap as high as cats; they’re also great at avoiding being stepped on! Not daunted by size, they are bold and brave watchdogs that send a threatening, surprisingly deep bark when strangers enter their range. Of course, because they are small, their bark is much worse than their bite!

Chihuahuas tend to act nervous in the company of anybody except their primary owner, but they’re also fun-loving and full of bravado when left to their own devices. Some Chihuahuas are they hard to train, and require “newspaper” training to become housebroken. They are also very gentle creatures that learn quickly and respond well to positive reinforcement.

Chihuahuas enjoy chewing on toys, and you would be surprised at how sharp their little teeth are. Although they are small, they require large, soft chew toys if you want to keep them from chewing on your prized possessions.

The Chihuahua’s Ideal Environment

Chihuahuas are small creatures that don’t require a lot of space; they fit in perfectly with an apartment environment. Because of their size, they are especially sensitive to cold and actually NEED the doggie sweaters you can buy at your local [COLOR=blue! important][FONT=verdana,sans-serif][COLOR=blue! important][FONT=verdana,sans-serif]pet [/FONT][COLOR=blue! important][FONT=verdana,sans-serif]store[/FONT][/COLOR][/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR]. They don’t need a large yard and, quite frankly, shouldn’t be given a place to roam freely as they can easily fit through small spaces.

Also, because of their tiny size, Chihuahuas usually require a body harness rather than a leash and require several walks a day. They tire quickly and really only need to walk a block or so; but if you want to continue walking, you can always carry them around with you.

The Chihuahua’s Companions

Chihuahuas tend to be a “one-person-dog” and become very attached to their primary owner. They tend to get jealous of visitors and act suspicious and “skittish” around strangers. They tend to follow their owner all over the house and get nervous when you leave their field of vision.

Chihuahuas and children are not a good combination; because of their size, they are easily intimidated by loud noise and sudden movement. Their only defense when faced with a teasing child may be to snap and bite. They are fragile animals and should not be allowed to sleep with their owners because you can accidentally roll over and injure them.
Chihuahuas, like other dog breeds, need gradual socialization to keep them from picking fights with larger dogs and strangers. They don’t get along with other dogs because any other dog breed will attempt to dominate them, and cats are intimidating for them, too. The only animal companion that is safe for a Chihuahua is another Chihuahua. Even if you live in an apartment, there will probably be enough room and enough love to go around if you choose to adopt two of this breed!

 

[philamena]

Chihuahua's are loving to their owners. More than likely they love 1 of their owners. They are ectremely protective and will bark their heads off and bite if they feel the least bit threatened.

So did the murderer think it was ok to slaughter 2 young girls but not a dog?
Or did the dog run off as soon as he heard the shots?

 

[Littledeer]

The Character of Chihuahuas

I did a cut and paste on some of the points that I wanted to single out:

They are very spry and can leap as high as cats; they’re also great at avoiding being stepped on! Not daunted by size, they are bold and brave watchdogs that send a threatening, surprisingly deep bark when strangers enter their range. So possibly this dog did? Of course, because they are small, their bark is much worse than their bite!

Chihuahuas tend to act nervous in the company of anybody except their primary owner, Kinda contradicts the sentence above about feeling threatened by strangers??

The Chihuahua’s Ideal Environment

Also, because of their tiny size, Chihuahuas usually require a body harness rather than a leash and require several walks a day. They tire quickly and really only need to walk a block or so; but if you want to continue walking, you can always carry them around with you. hmmmmmmm. wonder if her dog was found with a leash?? probably not. But the tiring quickly caught my eye. How many blocks would you say it would have been to the bridge and then back to where Taylor and Skyla were found??

The Chihuahua’s Companions

Chihuahuas tend to be a “one-person-dog” and become very attached to their primary owner. They tend to get jealous of visitors and act suspicious and “skittish” around strangers. They tend to follow their owner all over the house and get nervous when you leave their field of vision.

Chihuahuas and children are not a good combination; because of their size, they are easily intimidated by loud noise and sudden movement. So if the guns were fired first before any "threatening" moves, he would have probably have run off.

 

[FlowerChild]

I find it fascinating that LE could track this little dog's prints to the bridge and back (if I'm reading the posts correctly), yet they don't have any footprints of the perp(s) right at the scene. That seems very odd to me.

They DO have footprints and tire prints from the scene - not much help until you have a shoe/boot/tire to match them with. In the beginning they talked a lot about the footprint they had - they have it posted in the Investigation HQ in Okfuske.

 

[KR2tonenow]

Here's an example of inept police work in this part of the country. This week a woman was killed (shot) in her bed at 4 am. Husband says somebody broke into the house shot and killed her and shot him in the hand. He give a vague description of the perp and claims that he had a couple hundred dollars that is now missing.

Cops are in an all out manhunt. Helllllloooooooooo! The perp is standing right in front of you.

I have to agree with you, I saw that post. That poor woman!!

 

[Littledeer]

That's right FlowerChild.

I had forgotten about the footprint that is posted at the office. And your right, unless there is something to compare it to, it doesn't mean much right now. Except, it IS THERE!!!!

Maybe we need an "Evidence" thead??

No, just kidding. We have enough threads now I think.

 

[murdershewrote]

thanks for the update on the footprint...I would think they could tell height and approx weight by the size and depth of the print, and whether it was say an athletic shoe vs a boot. If they just found one footprint, kind of contradicts their theory on two shooters.

 

[KR2tonenow]

posted by FLTM:

Very interesting Fl..I think that it seems plausible whoever did this would not find it unusual to make a threat to LE.

Right, I tend to agree with this theory. These murders are a result of a crime far larger. OK has been the battleground for running guns, and probably big drug deals from south of the border.

Who knows what kind of people are involved!?

 

[Busylady]

Very good radio interview.

http://www.1170kfaq.com/audio/pc&markfuhr...

I am not sure if he is saying the girls were shot twice in the chest and one in the head or if he is just stating that as an example?

 

[KR2tonenow]

from MSW post:
Have any lab tests come back on the girls...DNA under their fingernails, hair on their clothing, rape kit, anything at all??? What's taking so long. LE needs to start releasing all of what they know...everything they found in the area. I'm sure the same people hang out at this bridge all the time...I find it hard to believe that nobody knows anything. I think somebody is hiding information. In this case, we have two bodies, tire tracks, sketch, description of vehicle, bullet casings, timeline, witness...crimes have been solved with alot less.

I recall hearing that the autopsy results would be out in 3 weeks. From last weeks preliminary autopsy findings after the funeral. I suspect they are waiting for DNA results. The evidence has to be conclusive.

 

[kahskye]

WOW, great job sleuthers!! :clap:

So it's been confirmed that there was a dog with the girls. It was found the NEXT DAY by the bridge.


Does anyone know what type of personality a chichaua (sp?) has??

Temperament: Chihuahuas are bold or shy, playful and very alert. They love to alert their owners to whatever is going on, and some tend to bark. Some breeds are afraid when the wind blows, while others will challenge dogs many times the size of themselves. They tend to be quite devoted to one person. They are sometimes reserved with strangers and a favorite among the elderly. They are graceful, humorous, and a good watchdog. Although playful, Chihuahuas are not to be messed around with. They can be aggressive towards other dogs and wary of strangers. On top of that, they are quite fragile and do not tend to realize it when picking a fight.

http://puppydogweb.com/caninebreeds/chihuahua.htm

 

[Littledeer]

I am also waiting for the autopsy results. I have the first one in the thread. And they did say it would take another 3 or more week to complete the entire autopsy.

But I got a feeling they are going to hold back on releasing it.

 

[PGW]

Maybe you're hitting on the whole key there, Christine and Evelyn! Maybe the shooter DID aim at the dog first, but missed, and by the next shot the girls had lunged forward to protect the dog out of instinct. Takes me back to my first thought that this was accidental by locals.

 

[KR2tonenow]

re: the chihuahua

Why wasn't this mentioned before? Also its possible the dog got out that night and went looking for the girls. Expecially if this dog was close to Taylor.

If the dog was with them, chihuahua's are protective but the gun shots would have scared it silly.

I wonder if it is the instinct of the dog to go under the bridge, if that's where the girls scent may have been.

Did they bring the canine there, NO!?

 

[Sooner Fan#1]

You guys just amaze me....totally "barking" up the wrong tree

 

[Morag]

I think this dog thing is important.

If he was with the girls at the time they were shot, would he really have retreated all the way to the bridge? Surely he would have run/strolled/skittered home. The article says they tire easily and can't be taken on very long walks- chances are he was carried at least part way down to the bridge.

Maybe someone took the dog from them at the bridge...they walked back without him and would have told Gpa about it. Can't you just imagine those boys in the truck doing something like that to torment the little girls? Maybe they followed the girls and were taunting them with the poor dog...Then one of the boys started being "cute" with his gun(s), and suddenly he did what he did to them...the others were horrified, went back to the bridge and dumped the dog...I would love to know whether the witness who saw the girls also saw the dog with them.

Sadly, I don't think one of these little ankle-biter type dogs would frighten anyone. (Although I wouldn't get close to one who was yip-yipping- you could get your nose bitten.)

"We feel they made it to the bridge." "It's possible they may have interrupted something at the bridge." If LE spoke to the boys- and believed them- then they should have known for sure- not just "feel" it. And why would Rosser think they may have interrupted something? They weren't shot at the bridge, after all. Is there something that is known to go on at the bridge which might endanger those who are there?

 

[Patience]

Well Soonerfan, I am leading in the direction of the possibility that there was past sexual abuse and someone wanted to silence them before they could tell. Someone was angry at them for threatening to tell.

I have no proof whatsoever, just instinct. Is my tree closer to the truth do you think?

 

[KR2tonenow]

Did they say how many witnesses were out at the bridge that Sunday? Just the truck full of kids?