Skyline Groundskeeper says he saw no white truck -Timeline Clarified

[1Chump]

I'm not seeing anywhere in the article that was posted stating this was the first time he was interviewed by LE. As noted below, he clarified his timeline to investigators Friday morning when they met early Friday to go over his timeline in detail. I think it's highly unlikely that this gentleman being a city/county employee would have not notified LE immediately that he was on the premises of the school that morning. JMO

The article states...

A groundskeeper, who was mowing the soccer field at Skyline School the morning Kyron Horman disappeared, clarified his timeline to investigators Friday morning and it differs slightly from what he told a KATU News reporter earlier in the week.


He met with two detectives and a deputy district attorney at Skyline School early Friday to go over his timeline in detail.

Stensen told investigators that he left Skyline School as late as 8:45 a.m. or 9 a.m., which means he could have missed seeing the Horman truck being in the two spots investigators are interested in, especially since he spent his time and attention at the school mowing the soccer field.

Investigators say that puts him on the gravel road outside of the critical half-hour window they want to know about since they have witnesses who saw someone in or around the Hormans’ truck during that time.
Still, authorities said it was helpful to have spoken to Stensen in depth.

While I don't trust the reporting and feel this is most likely the reporter's opinion, this is implying that the witnesses saw the truck on the gravel road with someone other than Terry.

Why else would it matter if the Turf Tech was on the gravel road during that "critical half-hour window?"

 

[loves2bmom]

No, not unreasonable at all. The sequence of events just gives me the impression that he was not previously interviewed by LE. If they wanted to talk with him a second time, after a previous interview, makes more sense to me that they would have done so just prior to the presser, rather than chancing exactly what happened - the guy going to the press, and raising questions about what LE was doing.

I think he was interviewed early on but before they knew about the info of the truck parked at a different location. I think a mistake was made by LE that they didn't go back and reinterview him again after this new information came to light. Just my opinion. I still think they are doing a great job with all they have to deal with and don't expect them to be perfect.

 

[Etilema]

I believe the GK's timeline is pretty much correct and is credible. If you work backwards on TH's timeline (let's say starting at the time of receipt at FM#1) and then go back to the school (where child was told to meet you at side entrance at certain time) and then go on to FM#2 as a meeting place, then TH could have easily picked up the child after the GK was already gone and hence, the teacher making the immediate response to volunteer (or whomever) that he may be getting a drink or in the bathroom (later, thinking it must have been the appointment). Try it - see what you think??? JMHO

This is a plausible alternative theory (if we set aside all the info about the truck being on the access road, etc.).

Except I thought it was reported that Kyron never actually made it to class? I mean, we'd be dealing with a quite different case if the teacher and/or students and/or chaperon said, "He was here when we got into our groups at 9:00, but by the time we got back he was missing." (By the way, I think that is why TP's statement has been discounted--his teacher and the chaperon(s) likely reported that Kyron never was there at all, not that he disappeared during the tour.)

JMO

 

[Kimster]

This is a pic of the length of the access road. It isn't very long and you can't see a car parked there from most of the soccer field. There are a few more pics taken from the field to get an idea of how the groundskeeper would have a hard time seeing a truck parked there. However, it is quite a ways from the school building as well.

http://s876.photobucket.com/albums/...August 2010/?action=view&current=100_1494.jpg

 

[pufnstuf]

This is a pic of the length of the access road. It isn't very long and you can't see a car parked there from most of the soccer field. There are a few more pics taken from the field to get an idea of how the groundskeeper would have a hard time seeing a truck parked there. However, it is quite a ways from the school building as well.

http://s876.photobucket.com/albums/...August 2010/?action=view&current=100_1494.jpg

Great photo, Kimster. Also shows how easy it would have been for her to pull right off the access road into Skyline Drive in that F250. Wouldn't have been a challenge at all for that truck, IF there were other vehicles parked around her.

 

[Kimster]

Great photo, Kimster. Also shows how easy it would have been for her to pull right off the access road into Skyline Drive in that F250. Wouldn't have been a challenge at all for that truck, IF there were other vehicles parked around her.

Free and I were thinking about that. We wish we knew what the parking looked like during the science fair. Were there buses in the lot, which would make even less parking? Were cars parked on Skyline along the side of the road below where the Wall of Hope is now? We just don't know.

 

[Emma Peel]

Great photo, Kimster. Also shows how easy it would have been for her to pull right off the access road into Skyline Drive in that F250. Wouldn't have been a challenge at all for that truck, IF there were other vehicles parked around her.

Agreed. IMO, look no further if that road leads to the door at the bottom of Kyron's classroom stairs. (IIRC, it does, right?) Occam's Razor that one right into your map, there Puf. :biggrin: Kyron probably thought that was cool being picked there and not having to walk all over the halls on a busy day...

Here's a thought that may have been thunk before, I just never saw it here or thunk it. As a volunteer in Kyron's class, and with Kyron's classroom being where it is, Terri (and other teachers in that area) have likely used this egress for transporting stuff to & from the classroom on other occaisions. Less walking with big loads of supplies, etc. IMO - common sense - Terri knew how/when to use that door.

 

[BeanE]

Free and I were thinking about that. We wish we knew what the parking looked like during the science fair. Were there buses in the lot, which would make even less parking? Were cars parked on Skyline along the side of the road below where the Wall of Hope is now? We just don't know.

Somewhere in the vast depths of this forum (lol) a member found a document that was like a notification to parents, there was some kind problem, some construction or repair, and that the buses at that time were parking along the side of the school where the portico is to drop off students in the mornings. My mind is blank atm on which directional side of the school that is. There's also a ground level white door. (I can envision the picture lol).

I tried to find the post a few days ago, but am apparently keyword challenged on it atm. I'll try to find it again later today.

 

[RubyRed]

This picture shows how the GK would have had a hard time seeing any truck parked there.
Thanks for the pics Kimster!

http://s876.photobucket.com/albums/...ust%202010/?action=view&current=100_1476.jpg&

 

[Kimster]

The backstop for the baseball field is the closest area on the field to the access road. I stood on first base for one of the pics (it is labeled as such) and you can't see the road from first base. The field is HUGE behind first base, so there really isn't much of that area that allows a person to see the access road at all!

 

[human]

Agreed. IMO, look no further if that road leads to the door at the bottom of Kyron's classroom stairs. (IIRC, it does, right?) Occam's Razor that one right into your map, there Puf. :biggrin: Kyron probably thought that was cool being picked there and not having to walk all over the halls on a busy day...

Here's a thought that may have been thunk before, I just never saw it here or thunk it. As a volunteer in Kyron's class, and with Kyron's classroom being where it is, Terri (and other teachers in that area) have likely used this egress for transporting stuff to & from the classroom on other occasions. Less walking with big loads of supplies, etc. IMO - common sense - Terri knew how/when to use that door.

Excellent point!!!! Remember when she had those pics of making Christmas decorations at school and planting plants with the class?

She may have even used it on June 3.

 

[cypress]

IMHO, it's not just about what the Turf Guy could see from where he was mowing grass, it's about what a person from the school, looking down at Turf Guy mowing grass, thought he could see.

And we know he could see some portion of the school from where he was mowing, because he saw the children come out the back door to look at the planters.

 

[cluciano63]

I hope LE asked more questions of this man about the kids outside looking at the ground or whatever...whether an adult was with them, how long they were out there, if he noticed, etc. It may be that no one else mentioned anything about kids being outside at all that morning.

 

[human]

Agreed. IMO, look no further if that road leads to the door at the bottom of Kyron's classroom stairs. (IIRC, it does, right?) Occam's Razor that one right into your map, there Puf. :biggrin: Kyron probably thought that was cool being picked there and not having to walk all over the halls on a busy day...

Here's a thought that may have been thunk before, I just never saw it here or thunk it. As a volunteer in Kyron's class, and with Kyron's classroom being where it is, Terri (and other teachers in that area) have likely used this egress for transporting stuff to & from the classroom on other occaisions. Less walking with big loads of supplies, etc. IMO - common sense - Terri knew how/when to use that door.

Another thing that is a little O/T, but not.

Terri brought the baby to Kyron's classroom in her stroller. It was her first birthday, celebrated in Kyron's room. Of course, his picture is not on FB of that day, but that's another story.

AT any rate, in all of my years of teaching, I have NEVER heard of or seen a parent bring an infant to celebrate that child's birthday in an elementary school setting.

Nor have I seen a parent volunteer try to teach a classroom with an infant on her lap.

What's up with that? I have had parents bring a new sib in at the beginning or end of the day for the children to meet and enjoy, but it's for a very short time. 15 mins max.

 

[Emeralgem]

In another article wasn't the timeline extended from 8:30 when it was first stated he finished until 9:00am or did I just make that up?
Kimster and everyone who has posted pictures, thank you...

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Another thing that is a little O/T, but not.

Terri brought the baby to Kyron's classroom in her stroller. It was her first birthday, celebrated in Kyron's room. Of course, his picture is not on FB of that day, but that's another story.

AT any rate, in all of my years of teaching, I have NEVER heard of or seen a parent bring an infant to celebrate that child's birthday in an elementary school setting.

Nor have I seen a parent volunteer try to teach a classroom with an infant on her lap.

What's up with that? I have had parents bring a new sib in at the beginning or end of the day for the children to meet and enjoy, but it's for a very short time. 15 mins max.

I usually refrain from saying unkind things about others, and even though I won't make statements about specific psychological issues, TMH does strike me as someone who thinks that rules don't apply to her. Bringing baby K to school was not a wise or acceptable thing to do, but Kyron's step-mom probably had some clever excuse to explain why the infant was there. My instincts tell me that this was a deliberate ploy to "remind" Kyron that, even though she was sharing her talents with his classmates, it was a special day for his little step-sister. jmo

 

[Morag]

I usually refrain from saying unkind things about others, and even though I won't make statements about specific psychological issues, TMH does strike me as someone who thinks that rules don't apply to her. Bringing baby K to school was not a wise or acceptable thing to do, but Kyron's step-mom probably had some clever excuse to explain why the infant was there. My instincts tell me that this was a deliberate ploy to "remind" Kyron that, even though she was sharing her talents with his classmates, it was a special day for his little step-sister. jmo

I imagine that most volunteers are SAHMs, and chances are they have babies or smaller children. I've certainly seen babies in that setting, and to a man (baby), they were beautifully behaved. The teacher was within her rights to ask Terri to leave or to never bring the baby again. My instincts tell me that the baby, his half-sister, was welcome. Do we know that their was an actual celebration for little K in the classroom, or were the children just told that it was her birthday?
I might add that I was a frequent volunteer in my son's elementary school, but I could not have been if I had needed to get a sitter during that time- teenagers are all in school, and granmas are far away.

 

[loves2bmom]

Another thing that is a little O/T, but not.

Terri brought the baby to Kyron's classroom in her stroller. It was her first birthday, celebrated in Kyron's room. Of course, his picture is not on FB of that day, but that's another story.

AT any rate, in all of my years of teaching, I have NEVER heard of or seen a parent bring an infant to celebrate that child's birthday in an elementary school setting.

Nor have I seen a parent volunteer try to teach a classroom with an infant on her lap.

What's up with that? I have had parents bring a new sib in at the beginning or end of the day for the children to meet and enjoy, but it's for a very short time. 15 mins max.

In our school parents bring their toddlers with them all the time to volunteer. Celebrating the toddlers birthday in their older siblings classroom however....never!

 

[i.b.nora]

I don't think baby birthdays have much if anything to do with the topic of this thread which is the Turf Tech guy and the white truck he didn't see.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

I imagine that most volunteers are SAHMs, and chances are they have babies or smaller children. I've certainly seen babies in that setting, and to a man (baby), they were beautifully behaved. The teacher was within her rights to ask Terri to leave or to never bring the baby again. My instincts tell me that the baby, his half-sister, was welcome. Do we know that their was an actual celebration for little K in the classroom, or were the children just told that it was her birthday?
I might add that I was a frequent volunteer in my son's elementary school, but I could not have been if I had needed to get a sitter during that time- teenagers are all in school, and granmas are far away.

I appreciate your comments and suppose that I'm from a different generation than today's SAHMs. The types of volunteer activities that were the norm when my child was in school would have precluded having an infant or toddler in tow, and I never saw anyone bring along a younger sibling for Picture Lady presentations, Junior Great Books discussions, classroom holiday parties, etc. These volunteer activities were clearly focused on students, and a lot of time and effort on behalf of parents went into supplementing classroom offerings with these types of programs. I also participated in several field trips and don't recall there ever being younger children tagging along. Our duties were with the students for whom we were responsible.

My apologies for going OT, but I wanted to respond to this post.