Sleepover turns tragic: Relatives mourn 11-year-old girls killed by carbon monoxide

  • #21
I found this interesting: (I'm reserving opinion until we get more facts about this as to if it were an accident or something criminal for now...)

http://www.cbs12.com/news/odorless-4718342-gas-amber.html

May 31, 2009 - 6:16 PM


snippet that caught my eye:

...Here's what the mother told investigators: She said she was out Saturday night, and when she came home, she could not turn off her SUV. So she left it parked in garage, still running and closed the door.

CBS 12 has now learned that when deputies arrived they actually found the Ford Escape turned off and the keys on the kitchen counter...


I have to admit that statement makes say hmmm.
 
  • #22
Yeah, but I thought in that original link posted by BB in the opening post the mom said she couldn't get the key out of the ignition? So that to me says the key was necessary and then at some point she got the key out because they found the keys on the counter in the kitchen. Plus the mom of the girl who slept over said basically that she knew the mom who left the car running was a single parent but couldn't she have asked a friend or neighbor to help get the key from the ignition??
 
  • #23
I hope the dead little girl's mother doesn't accept this story. It doesn't make any sense at all. Anyway, even if all those hinkey details really happened, since the mother who lived in the house knew her SUV was running in the garage all night, I wouldn't say this was an "accident." It was, at the least, gross neglect.
 
  • #24
A thought to explore or not:

Which model of Ford Escape did this Mom have? The hybrid or the gasoline engine model?

I did a quick search and there appears to be some complaints about the hybrid version and I found a couple of entries on boards for cars that complained of keys getting stuck or keys not turning the ignition on the hybrid model of the Escape. But no posts about it running after keys taken out.

Anyone out there own one or know anything about these?

( O/T we have been looking at these for when we go to replace our Expedition.)
 
  • #25
Yeah, but I thought in that original link posted by BB in the opening post the mom said she couldn't get the key out of the ignition? So that to me says the key was necessary and then at some point she got the key out because they found the keys on the counter in the kitchen. Plus the mom of the girl who slept over said basically that she knew the mom who left the car running was a single parent but couldn't she have asked a friend or neighbor to help get the key from the ignition??

hmm - it didn't say she couldn't get the key out, it said:
Wilson told investigators that she and the girls had returned home from a trip to Wal-Mart at about 10:30 p.m. Saturday, parked the Ford Escape in the garage, closed the garage door behind them and went to bed. Wilson said she could not shut off the vehicle's engine, according to Barbera.

She could have had one of those keys I was talking about.
 
  • #26
Thanks, Mendara. Sorry about that.
 
  • #27
Who would park their car and shut the garage door, with the car RUNNING, and then just go to bed???? That is about the stupidest thing I've ever heard.
 
  • #28
This is such a tragic story. It certainly could have been prevented by simply calling the local police or even fire department to assist in removing the key. I'm sure they would have helped, and would not have let her park that car in the garage!
 
  • #29
Ok let's say the mother did leave the car running inside the garage all night long because she could not turn it off. :waitasec:
So she wakes up the next morning to find her daughter unresponsive. Where does it fit in that she goes to the garage, shuts the car off and removes the keys taking them to the kitchen counter?
Wouldn't she have stayed with her daughter?
I also agree with another poster who brought up the fact that the dog managed to survive while the girls didn't.

VB
 
  • #30
I can't imagine why she would have left the car running in the garage. We have carbon monoxide detectors on both floors of our home.

Even if this is, in fact, an accurate detailing of this story, she made one heck of a misjudgement (at best). It's hard for me to fathom that an adult wouldn't be aware of the dangers of letting a car run in an enclosed space. Perhaps I'm just very aware of not doing this because back in the 70's we had a teenage neighborhood boy that ran a car in his garage at home during the winter to make out with a girl. The girl died. He survived. I know him well. His Mother later remarried my Maternal Grandfather after he had become a widower.
 
  • #31
I am so sorry to read this story!:(

I really don't know what to think about this. That it happened in Florida makes the whole situation even more hinky, IMO. Us Floridians are repeatedly told about the dangers of carbon monoxide, cuz of generators (my oldest DS even knows about this!). Though, after every hurricane, we have people who die of carbon monoxide poisoning, cuz they put their generator in their house or garage so it wouldn't get stolen:(

Right now, I don't think it was intentional, cuz why do it when a friend was sleeping overnight?

I also think it's odd the dog survived and the girls didn't.

ETA: Today is the first day of hurricane season:(
 
  • #32
I can't imagine why she would have left the car running in the garage. We have carbon monoxide detectors on both floors of our home.

Even if this is, in fact, an accurate detailing of this story, she made one heck of a misjudgement (at best). It's hard for me to fathom that an adult wouldn't be aware of the dangers of letting a car run in an enclosed space. Perhaps I'm just very aware of not doing this because back in the 70's we had a teenage neighborhood boy that ran a car in his garage at home during the winter to make out with a girl. The girl died. He survived. I know him well. His Mother later remarried my Maternal Grandfather after he had become a widower.

If it wasn't a misjudgement on her part, (not knowing the dangers of Carbon Monoxide), then I am leaning toward believing that the mom came back with the girls from the store, girls got out and went inside. Mom took out bags or whatever, closed the garage and didn't even know she left the car running. Went to bed not knowing the car was still operating. That may explain: mom awoke in the morning, she discovered the car running and took out the key and put it on the counter before police arrived. JMO.
 
  • #33
There is ONE possible explanation for this that I can come up with that makes some sort of logical sense. I don't know exactly how a Ford Escape hybrid works, but I have driven a Lexus hybrid before. The ignition on and off if done using only the electric power. The car runs on the battery power only UNLESS you are accelerating rather quickly or the battery has run long enough to power down, or the car speed needs the extra power. IF there was a problem in the electrical system of shutting the engine down it may have shown on the screen that the car was running on battery power only as it was in park and not moving. She could have assumed---wrongly---that when the battery power ran out the car would shut itself off. If it did that, there would have been no exhaust fumes. HOWEVER, what probably happened was that when the battery power ran down it automatically switched on the gas engine just as it would when you are actually driving on the road. Now as far as the car running with the keys out and stopping running with still a half tank of gas....I don't know-- unless she ran out when she found the girls and shut it off at that time.
 
  • #34
if she and her daughter were in bed, what was the second girl doing in the kitchen? 3am snack? getting breakfast? Trying to call for help?
 
  • #35
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2009/06/01/Carbon-monoxide-blamed-in-girls-deaths/UPI-97091243876472/

The newspaper said Amber was having a sleepover with friend at the house, where she lived with her mother, Loretta Wilson, her aunt and a younger brother.

<snip>

Loretta Wilson told authorities she came home Saturday night, parked her Ford Escape SUV in the garage, closed the garage door but couldn't shut off the engine.

<snip>

Barbera said the mother awoke Sunday morning to find the girls unresponsive and called paramedics before being overcome by the fumes.
 
  • #36
and the aunt was where?
 
  • #37
  • #38
there are waaaaaaaaaay too many versions. The mom was outside (leaving her dead kid inside? uh ah, no way jose), the mom was inside, the other mom didn't know they went shopping, the other mom was called before they went shopping, the mom talked to 911, the mom hung up on 911.
Makes my head hurt
 
  • #39
Weird.

Is an Escape anything like a Prius? I could possibly see how one might forget that the Prius was on, as it makes next to no noise while on battery power. I'm not that familiar with them, but my grandfather has one and one day I didn't even notice he was pulling up behind me. It's very quiet.

But a couple things concern me: the keys on the counter, and what was her daughter doing in the kitchen? Where was the mother? I would think if she was feeling poorly and needing help, she'd go to her mother first. Why is the dog alive?

Maybe it's like another poster said. She couldn't get the engine to stop, and like ..misguided...generator owners, she closed the garage door so no one would drive off in the car. Common sense, though, would seem to prompt one to call somebody. I would not sleep well knowing my car was parked in a garage, Carbon Monoxide worries or no. I'd wonder about the car overheating, or catching fire. Maybe she underestimated the length of time it takes a car to run out of gas. It doesn't happen fast; my husband recently told me a story about how he got locked out of his car with the engine running (this was in cold Michigan, not hot Florida) and the car still ran for eight hours on less than a tank of gas. An idle car doesn't burn fuel quickly, but one with the AC on does. In Florida, you can't not use your AC this tme of year. Did she turn the air off? Around here, we don't manually turn it off before parking the car.

Questions, questions.
 
  • #40

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