Sleuthing Cindy's Depo & Baez Objections to Sealed Items

[Jolynna]

Another possibility, although not the most popular theory, is that one of the A's found the tooth in or around the pool. If Caylee fell from or against the ladder, she may have knocked her front tooth out. Finding the tooth may have sent CA into a tailspin at the time. (I'm still not convinced CA wasn't present when something happened to Caylee but I'm not convinced she was either.)

Or Caylee's missing tooth just wasn't found. I just reread the autopsy report and only some of Caylee's teeth were still attached. The others were subsequently located.http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/06/19/caylee.anthony.autopsy.pdf pages 8 & 9

I thought the tooth on the list on exhibit 23 was just a possibility of something that would have DNA, like the band-aid and chewing gum, not something KC actually brought in. Exhibit 23 looks like notes. Exhibit 22 was a list of things KC actually gave to Baez.

jmo

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

I must have missed something. . . Why do you think there is a tooth?

 

[lizzysf]

Color photos.. See Exhibit #9 of the car seat in the car in LE's posession.
http://www.filedropper.com/09adepoexhibits

Here is the pic of Caylee in the carseat. Caseys car. (Window line is the same and you can see the back window..so it's not Cindy's SUV)

http://media.photobucket.com/image/...terPeacer/MP OnTheWeb/blog/CayleeAnthony2.jpg

They own two Eddie Bauer carseats. Maybe the same model purchased at the same time. According to Cindy.. Caseys is "Black and White" and hers it "Brown and Tan"

Could they be different in color? I enlarged both and looked really close..
Neither are Black and White.. I see Black and Grey, and the LE one could be Black and Grey, or tones of browns? (think beige, taupe..) What do you think? I am wondering if LE has Cindy's (brown) and not Caseys.. Did Cindy switch carseats before they picked it up?

 

[RR0004]

That is exactly what I have been thinking, that tooth was found in that car.
I hope after that depo, they did go back and get it.(carseat) At one point they took more evidence out of the house and for the love of me can't remember the time frame.

Do you remember the big bag? The one we speculated over for pages and pages?

 

[sleutherontheside]

(abbreviated by me) I know I did wonder this, are we absolutely sure that there's not a "benefactor"?

Well, with all the sleuthing....nothing has been found that can be backed up. Doesn't negate that as a possibility, but thus far, nothing concrete has been documented.

 

[seagull65]

I do. The FBI is who was telling George about them, if I recall correctly, and they said there were MANY, like over a thousand I think, and they showed KC in some very compromising positions...then GA threw up after viewing these pictures...???Anyone else recall for sure if he threw up when discussing the decomp or was it after viewing these pictures or did he throw up twice?:waitasec:

I think IIRC they had gotten him talking about the smell and what it meant to him and then he either got a call from Lee or realized Lee was there to pick him up or something, and I think that was when it happened. But they'd shown him some pictures, too. IIRC we all wondered if it was because of talking about the smell, feeling like he was betraying the family by admitting what the smell meant to him, or because of the pictures. Would the FBI or OCSD really show X-rated pictures of Casey to her father I wonder, I mean, what does that have to do with Caylee, why do that to GA? And do we know for sure if there were any real X-rated photos or were they just composite/fake photos like the one "bad picture" ?

 

[Woe.be.gone]

I must have missed something. . . Why do you think there is a tooth?

You mean we don't know for sure? I'm going with the flow here and everyone is talking about a "found tooth" which would be the missing tooth (which is substantiated).

Do we know for sure that there is a tooth in existance from the A home or is this just merely speculation based on the handwritten list?

We know there is a missing tooth for sure but do we know for sure where the missing tooth is?

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Or Caylee's missing tooth just wasn't found. I just reread the autopsy report and only some of Caylee's teeth were still attached. The others were subsequently located.http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/06/19/caylee.anthony.autopsy.pdf pages 8 & 9

I thought the tooth on the list on exhibit 23 was just a possibility of something that would have DNA, like the band-aid and chewing gum, not something KC actually brought in. Exhibit 23 looks like notes. Exhibit 22 was a list of things KC actually gave to Baez.

jmo

Except there would be no reason that Caylee would have a tooth missing at less than three years of age - so why would that be on the list?

Add to that, Caylee really was found to have a tooth missing. All teeth are accounted for except for one.

 

[lizzysf]

You mean we don't know for sure? I'm going with the flow here and everyone is talking about a "found tooth" which would be the missing tooth (which is substantiated).

Do we know for sure that there is a tooth in existance from the A home or is this just merely speculation based on the handwritten list?

We know there is a missing tooth for sure but do we know for sure where the missing tooth is?

Speculation. I don't think it has anything to do with what is sealed...but it did raise some question anyways...which brought us down this path.

 

[seagull65]

Casey strikes me as the type of person who will go along with whatever so she will fit in. Casey probably had NO IDEA what was so funny, but hey Jose was laughing. I noticed something as well in the video where Ashton and Baez were getting into it, and the judge said, "I am getting sick of this". ( Will look for the link), but while Jose was obviously gleeful about pushing Ashton's buttons, Casey begins to smirk, then a little cough, like, it was between her and Baez. She pretends to understand what is going on when I really think her mind is in la la land.

I agree strongly with this, Static. She seemed to laugh in a very fake, coy way, just mimicking the others. Likewise with the little smirky cough. Likewise when AL said "oh for Goodness sake" or "Oh for God's sake". I would have been interested to see Casey's own reaction after LDB's comment but after AL's comment, Casey did a fake little action that was in line with AL's comment. I also noticed the weird facial expression she flashed when the judge was asking Baez how many disks he would need to make, Casey made a facial expression like "hmmm, let me see...." It was really weird. Like you say, she seems very much in la-la land still and often seems to be mimicking what's going on. I think she's been this way throughout the case. Very weird. And her jittery eye movements. I hope her defense team had brain scans and lots of medical tests done.

edited to add: not to mention her complete blank about Caylee from the very beginning and throughout this case, like in the jail visits. She acted like she thought she was talking about some promotion at Fusian rather than about the search for her little girl. She was not all there. And her friends all said this was not like her at all, not the Casey they knew at all. Very weird.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

You are correct...I just read it and was about to post it too. I guess I was reading the Anthropolgy Autopsy Report. So there were 13 still in place, 4 found at the scene and 1 incisor missing.

Thanks I see where the other report explains this. The question now is, where is the missing incisor? Lost at the remains site or was it found somewhere else as has been suggested (car, backyard, etc.)?

Because "tooth" is on that Exhibit list, did peeps jump to the conclusion that a tooth was found? Or is it a fact?

 

[kew17]

Ya see, I thought it was a handwritten list...don't remember it having been torn from a book...but IIRC it was sort of a favorite's list as well.

Hi RR0004! See, that's my memory also...a handwritten type list. This is so far the only photographic item I've found. Still searching as I'm confident that I remember there being a "child's first" type list in that garbage. Will report back when I've found something better.

http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/17429672/detail.html

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Thanks I see an answer above - still speculation.

 

[lizzysf]

Thanks I see where the other report explains this. The question now is, where is the missing incisor? Lost at the remains site or was it found somewhere else as has been suggested (car, backyard, etc.)?

Because "tooth" is on that Exhibit list, did peeps jump to the conclusion that a tooth was found? Or is it a fact?

We speculated it was Caylee's tooth. Speculated it was Casey's babytooth. Speculated it was short for toothbrush. We still don't know.

 

[static]

Or Caylee's missing tooth just wasn't found. I just reread the autopsy report and only some of Caylee's teeth were still attached. The others were subsequently located.http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/06/19/caylee.anthony.autopsy.pdf pages 8 & 9

I thought the tooth on the list on exhibit 23 was just a possibility of something that would have DNA, like the band-aid and chewing gum, not something KC actually brought in. Exhibit 23 looks like notes. Exhibit 22 was a list of things KC actually gave to Baez.

jmo

The duct tape, three layers of it, over her mouth, would have very possibly held those teeth in place, especially that front one. Wish we had a forensic anthropologist here who could contribute to this... starting to think the car seat doc will come later on...hopefully

 

[seagull65]

Thanks I see where the other report explains this. The question now is, where is the missing incisor? Lost at the remains site or was it found somewhere else as has been suggested (car, backyard, etc.)?

Because "tooth" is on that Exhibit list, did peeps jump to the conclusion that a tooth was found? Or is it a fact?

we're all just wondering if a tooth (of Caylee's) really was found at the house or in the car, I didn't see anyone say for a fact that one was. Tooth on the list could have just been shorthand for toothbrush, for example, or could have been a baby tooth of Casey's to be used for DNA or who knows what.

 

[lizzysf]

The duct tape, three layers of it, over her mouth, would have very possibly held those teeth in place, especially that front one. Wish we had a forensic anthropologist here who could contribute to this... starting to think the car seat doc will come later on...hopefully

I am wondering where the 4 teeth were found at the scene..in the bag still? 13 still in place in the mandible and 4 found at the scene, and 1 front tooth missing. If the 4 loose teeth were still in the bag...it would make me even more suspicious about the 1 front missing tooth..like it was gone before she was dumped. I don't think they would hand over Caylee's tooth to anyone if they found it.. so I don't think it is the "tooth" from the list... BUT I still wonder about the missing tooth.

 

[seagull65]

yes, I do too, Lizzy. IIRC, I think one tooth was found inside the skull, that's where it landed after decomp. The others were around the remains, I don't recall if they were in the bag, I'm thinking maybe not, like maybe they were found when the soil was being scraped?
I wonder, is there a thread just on the teeth, if not, maybe we should start one.

 

[lizzysf]

yes, I do too, Lizzy. IIRC, I think one tooth was found inside the skull, that's where it landed after decomp. The others were around the remains, I don't recall if they were in the bag, I'm thinking maybe not, like maybe they were found when the soil was being scraped?
I wonder, is there a thread just on the teeth, if not, maybe we should start one.

Not sure if there is much else to say about the missing tooth to start it's own thread...but it really has me wondering. I think Cindy either switched her carseat for caseys or washed the one that was in the car...leaving me to wonder why.
Blood? From where? Missing front tooth?

 

[Jolynna]

forgive me if this has been posted
the report says,
Only ONE tooth was lost postmortem... I cannot imagine how just ONE tooth would have been lost postmortem ...grrr this is maddening
http://www.wftv.com/download/2009/0619/19801981.pdf

All but one were recovered (and therefore accounted for) so only one tooth was lost. The location of the teeth recovered so close to the skull led to the conclusion that the skull location was the original dump site and that bones found elsewhere had been dispersed by animals.