Small Details that are interesting in the Cooper Harris case, #1

[Lovejac]

According to the detective's testimony, RH did call LH first, but got no answer. Hmmm, but based on what's been reported lately, how do we even know this is true?

You do realize that we can keep going backwards but it's going to serve no real purpose. Because, seriously, how do we really know that Cooper was even in RH car that day?

You asked how do we know Cooper was really buckled in the car seat? Your answer was that no LE saw him, RH told Det Stoddard that he buckled Cooper in, but if you don't believe Det Stoddard then how do you know?

Det Stoddard testified that RH told him that he saw Cooper in the car seat when he looked back to change lanes and then pulled into the shopping center and pulled Cooper from the car and layed him on the pavement. But if you don't believe Det Stoddard then how do we know he was even in the car?

Do you see how this is disappearing down the rabbit hole fast?

 

[Lovejac]

No one knows what she meant by that comment...the possibilities are endless. I would rather exhaust all the more "benign" explanations than to jump to demonic conclusions. That's all...

But how do we know that she even made that statement, benign or demonic, if Det Stoddard's testimony can't be believed?

 

[gngr~snap]

Right! So bright he thought by speaking cop lingo with the investigators they'd identify with him and believe his BS. I'm sure he told them his brother was a cop too. Thinking he was smarter than the Po Po...that Ross!


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Tell me I am not dreaming. At some point early on RH was speaking to someone in "code", well maybe not code, but he was using the military alphabet. Something was said about it then it was quickly excused after realizing he had been a 911 dispatcher. Does anyone else remember that?

 

[Lovejac]

I suspect you are joking, LoveJac.

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Wish I had known the joke was on me before I started googling all over the place :facepalm:

I'll learn one day, maybe, to read the thread backwards!

 

[matou]

From what I remember, straps are supposed to be around the ear level. If the straps in the photo are gray, then the straps are behind his shoulders and too low. JMO

 

[gngr~snap]

But how do we know that she even made that statement, benign or demonic, if Det Stoddard's testimony can't be believed?

Because they recorded. Audio and video.

 

[Lovejac]

This is my first post. I have lots to say eace: but I'll start with CH's car seat... He was definitely too big for the infant seat that he was riding in and the fact that he was in a different seat in JRH's car up until two week's before says a lot. The fact that the straps are on the smallest setting doesn't mean it was done on purpose though, it's simple misuse of a car seat, as already stated, 3 in 4 car seats are used incorrectly. The belt is adjustable no matter which slot it comes out of, and they are a pain to readjust as your child grows so there are parents that just keep pulling the straps out through the slots made for infants, they can still be loose, they just don't offer proper support in an accident. If the autopsy shows significant marks at CH's shoulders, thighs, hips and chest where the belt hit him, that would show cause that he was buckled in too tightly.

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[CHERIE.T]

STODDARD: Justin took Cooper out to the car. He went into the back seat where the car seat was situated. It's a rear-facing car seat so Cooper's head would be in between or almost in between the two front seats. He put Cooper in the vehicle. He stated he strapped him in tight. He went through a little spiel about how he'd watched You Tube videos about, you know, car seat regulations and stuff, and he knew that this was the right car seat and the right way of doing it. And he straps him in tight. And Cooper gives him a kiss. And he gives him a kiss back. And he says he always gives him the kiss in case they get into a car accident and he dies. He wanted Cooper to, you know, his last memory or Cooper to remember that he had been loved or that his daddy loved him.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So he straps him in before driving away, and kissing him, son's kissing him back, they're having a conversation?

STODDARD: That's correct.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1407/05/cnr.08.html

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[CHERIE.T]

But how do we know that she even made that statement, benign or demonic, if Det Stoddard's testimony can't be believed?

:thumb::gavel::yourock:

 

[Lovejac]

STODDARD: Justin took Cooper out to the car. He went into the back seat where the car seat was situated. It's a rear-facing car seat so Cooper's head would be in between or almost in between the two front seats. He put Cooper in the vehicle. He stated he strapped him in tight. He went through a little spiel about how he'd watched You Tube videos about, you know, car seat regulations and stuff, and he knew that this was the right car seat and the right way of doing it. And he straps him in tight. And Cooper gives him a kiss. And he gives him a kiss back. And he says he always gives him the kiss in case they get into a car accident and he dies. He wanted Cooper to, you know, his last memory or Cooper to remember that he had been loved or that his daddy loved him.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So he straps him in before driving away, and kissing him, son's kissing him back, they're having a conversation?

STODDARD: That's correct.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1407/05/cnr.08.html

THIS ^ ^ ^ ^

If no other incriminating evidence is ever found, THIS is why I believe in RH's guilt.

You cannot interact with your child that much and then forget he is even in the car 30 seconds later.

Absolutely NO way.

Whenever I read or hear that whole "strapped in tight and kissed him" it hits me in the pit of my stomach. Just heartwrenching sadness :anguish:

Why?! Just why?!!

 

[Lovejac]

Because they recorded. Audio and video.

Thank the Lord for that!

 

[OtterPops]

From what I remember, straps are supposed to be around the ear level. If the straps in the photo are gray, then the straps are behind his shoulders and too low. JMO

If forward facing, you want the straps at or above the shoulder (not ear level, I can't even imagine how uncomfortable that would be). Rear facing, the straps are lower than the shoulders and wrap over.


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[Linda7NJ]

Thank the Lord for that!

If it's all the same, I'll thank modern science


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[SeeMamaRun]

From what I remember, straps are supposed to be around the ear level. If the straps in the photo are gray, then the straps are behind his shoulders and too low. JMO

In a rear facing car seat straps are supposed to be at or below shoulders - ie the slot directly below shoulder line, not the bottom slot (which is how Cooper's seat was on that day). Forward facing car seat straps should be at or in the slot just above shoulder level.

It is possible to have the straps in the bottom slot but not have the child strapped in tightly. You can just loosen the straps. This is very dangerous though because the straps will not hold the child's shoulders against the back of the seat. Essentially, a child would be able to bend almost completely over with the straps set in that fashion.

 

[Evie Ivy Over]

Well, it is logical.

Police stated Cooper was buckled in.

Ross stated Cooper was buckled in "tightly".

AFAIK, no one but you is suggesting Cooper was not buckled in.

Are you suggesting that Cooper could have gotten out if he'd wanted to? Because I really am having a hard time understanding what your point is. Cooper was a baby. He was cooked to death in his daddy's car. He did not "choose" this.

Now I'm getting a feel for the birth of some of these wild theories that are going around...to read into what I posted that I think Cooper could have gotten out of his car seat? And a post that I was blaming the baby for his own death? Wow--just.wow.

 

[Hippiemomof5]

There are pictures of Cooper in that same car seat with the straps at a higher location aren't there?
I guess they could still be on the first setting but he looks comfortable.

Moo

Yes, he does look comfortable there. I'm not saying the straps weren't originally moved up, I just mean some parents do not move them, but it doesn't mean they are too tight because the slot height has nothing to do with the actual strap. I think either the straps were readjusted to the smallest setting on purpose to make it as tight as possible or the seat was maybe even cleaned, readjusted for a new baby and put away in storage, then JRH pulled it out because he felt he needed a rear facing seat for his plan. So far, another toddler car seat hasn't been mentioned so that's probably not the case but when I first heard details, before the PCH even, that was my initial thought. These are clearly my opinion only.

From what I remember, straps are supposed to be around the ear level. If the straps in the photo are gray, then the straps are behind his shoulders and too low. JMO

Actually, when rear facing, straps are supposed to come up from the slot closest to but not higher than their shoulders, and when forward facing, they should come down from the next highest slot closest to child's shoulder. I'm sorry... I'm what my family has dubbed a "car seat freak," but really, I just want my children SAFE!

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[Hippiemomof5]

Great first post.

Have you watched the probable cause hearing yet?

Yes, on the 3rd. My husband and I both did and I watched it again on YouTube the following week.

 

[Evie Ivy Over]

I get the contradiction you're pointing out -- but RH made a point to be heard during LE interviews on this particular matter -- he wanted to stress what a wonderful father he was because he "strapped him in tight" and kissed him "just in case" when questions regarding any of those matters had not been asked.

It goes back to the point of "saying too much" -- RH was eager to get out of there and volunteer all evidence necessary to prove his status as super-dad -- "heck no I didn't know he was in the car because I'm such a super-dad and by the way this was my wife's nightmare and I was so worried I searched about it and watched a video.... but I still forgot."

There are SO many contradictions in what RH says that he has to be lying SOME of the time... that is what we all are getting at... imo

Really, the detailed explanation about the buckling up process was totally unnecessary--like some type of nervous reaction to me.

People have been known to lie to cover up their mistakes. He's obviously not much of a liar because he's done a poor job of it--that's probably what makes him look so bad. Nothing worse than an amateur liar............ROFLMBO!! But on the other hand, there's absolutely no acceptable reason for LE to lie.

 

[Evie Ivy Over]

thus a reason to be anti LE, imo

You actually think that's acceptable behavior by someone whose job is to "protect and serve"?????????????????

 

[Lovejac]

If it's all the same, I'll thank modern science


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Yep, I'm thankful for that, too!