Small Details that are interesting in the Cooper Harris case, #1

[TorisMom003]

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Seems like sexting was part of his preoccupation.
Seems his side biz- the Ninth Hour website development - also preoccupied him.
Seems his lunch w both Ninth Hour co-entrepreneurs also preoccupied him.

In the end, does it matter what preoccupied him that day?

What if..... he had been a day-long meeting w.
Pres Obama, Pope Frances, Pres. Putin, members of the G-8, Mick Jagger, Stephen Hawking, Warren Buffet, and Bill Gates?
What if they as a group were working to achieve world peace, eliminate hunger, eradicate contagious diseases, cure cancer, etc. - in one day?

If a meeting like that preoccupied him that day and they tried to accomplish the above,
maybe some sleuthers would give RH a get-out-of-jail card. Maybe some sleuthers here would still convict. Ditto the jury.

Me? IDK.

If he could not see, hear, smell or remember his child that was sitting right beside his right arm then I wouldn't give a rats behind what he was "preoccupied" with. Besides, with Harris having so many "issues" that prevent him from being aware that he was leaving Cooper in the car all day long "by accident", then he wouldn't be much help to those that were trying to work on big issues like the ones listed.

MOO

 

[Linda7NJ]

If he could not see, hear, smell or remember his child that was sitting right beside his right arm then I wouldn't give a rats behind what he was "preoccupied" with. Besides, with Harris having so many "issues" that prevent him from being aware that he was leaving Cooper in the car all day long "by accident", then he wouldn't be much help to those that were trying to work on big issues like the ones listed.

MOO

Yeah, poor RH...his wife probably had to dress him every morning and tie his shoes based on all his disabilities...pffft


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[DeDee]

Cooper Harris' size, and the car seat where he perished, could prove crucial to prosecutors who believe his father purposely left the toddler locked in his SUV to die.

Cooper Harris had outgrown the rear-facing seat, Cobb Police Detective Phil Stoddard testified at a probable cause hearing last week. His parents had purchased a forward-facing seat just six weeks earlier, Stoddard said, but switched back to the old seat “a few weeks” before Cooper's death.

Stoddard said Cooper was “several inches” too big for the car cradle, positioned in the middle of the back seat, and testified the child's head would've been visible.

Harris was well-versed on specifics about the car seat, telling detectives he knew the make, model and weight limit.

“When the seat was inspected, the straps for the seat were set ... for a small child,” search warrants released Monday state.

http://www.tuscaloosanews.com/article/20140707/wire/140709803?tc=ar

 

[K_Z]

Here's a "small detail" I wish we had an answer to!

We know Cooper's toxicology report was negative. (Horrifying to contemplate the fear and confusion this little one experienced.)

But, was RH tested for alcohol or drugs at the time of arrest and booking?? I'd sure like to know. Particularly because of his very peculiar reactions at the scene, and at the police station. And I suspect his defense attorney would also like to know. Was RH impaired by any substances (other than his own elevated testosterone levels while sexting?)

 

[gngr~snap]

Here's a "small detail" I wish we had an answer to!

We know Cooper's toxicology report was negative. (Horrifying to contemplate the fear and confusion this little one experienced.)

But, was RH tested for alcohol or drugs at the time of arrest and booking?? I'd sure like to know. Particularly because of his very peculiar reactions at the scene, and at the police station. And I suspect his defense attorney would also like to know. Was RH impaired by any substances (other than his own elevated testosterone levels while sexting?)

Honestly I do not know. Im gonna go out on a limb and say No.
I personally know someone that was on probation for forging prescriptions. 2years. He had to submit to random drug screens. They "randomly" called and said we are gonna test you in 7 days. Great job Cobb County! Nothing like giving a weeks warning to clean your act up huh? They did make the person on probation pay for the testing.
What good are they?

They (might) do a urine screen after being booked. I know they go to holding cells for 5 days of observation. If they are gonna have withdrawal it would be in there.


ETA: Molly, Xanax bars and heroin are really bad in the area. Young folks are dropping like flies around here. I wouldn't be surprised one bit.
I imagine HD had random screens most big business does...
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http://oxywatchdog.com/2014/05/ga-sees-uptick-in-heroin-abuse/

 

[MyBelle]

I have no idea why they were using that seat--that would be an interesting question for RH and LH to answer. On this forum, it's been said that the small seat was actually in LH's car up until a recent trip she took to AL when they switched seats. I just don't see anything sinister about it--maybe stupid, but not sinister.

It's not that I feel so strongly that Cooper wasn't buckled in, but I do feel strongly that there is no evidence of that fact. The same as there is no evidence of the baby being buckled tight into a car seat that was too small for him, no evidence of that at all--except for RH's statement to LE.

Heck, I don't think anyone here even knows Cooper's height and weight, do they? Or is everyone pretty much guessing his size and how he fit into the car seat? And from the conversations I've seen, it's just a guessing game as to which specific car seat he was even in that day.

The ME knows Cooper's height and weight and has ruled his death a homicide. The issue has never been that they were using the seat. The issue has been that it was not adjusted for Cooper's height and size. I doubt Cooper was totally buckled in because the shoulder straps were incredibly tight and I don't see how the crotch buckle could have been buckled. So all those too-tight shoulder straps did was to contribute to the child's pain and suffering as he lay dying, writhing in agony.

Whether the child was buckled in at the crotch strap is really irrelevant at this point, imo. He's still dead and the car seat was adjusted to the newborn position is still a piece of evidence that should be introduced at trial.

JMO

 

[MyBelle]

Here's a "small detail" I wish we had an answer to!

We know Cooper's toxicology report was negative. (Horrifying to contemplate the fear and confusion this little one experienced.)

But, was RH tested for alcohol or drugs at the time of arrest and booking?? I'd sure like to know. Particularly because of his very peculiar reactions at the scene, and at the police station. And I suspect his defense attorney would also like to know. Was RH impaired by any substances (other than his own elevated testosterone levels while sexting?)

I'd love to know the answer to that question. I've wondered about it, too.

 

[MzOpinion8d]

I have no idea why they were using that seat--that would be an interesting question for RH and LH to answer. On this forum, it's been said that the small seat was actually in LH's car up until a recent trip she took to AL when they switched seats. I just don't see anything sinister about it--maybe stupid, but not sinister.

It's not that I feel so strongly that Cooper wasn't buckled in, but I do feel strongly that there is no evidence of that fact. The same as there is no evidence of the baby being buckled tight into a car seat that was too small for him, no evidence of that at all--except for RH's statement to LE.

Heck, I don't think anyone here even knows Cooper's height and weight, do they? Or is everyone pretty much guessing his size and how he fit into the car seat? And from the conversations I've seen, it's just a guessing game as to which specific car seat he was even in that day.

The evidence that Cooper was buckled in is that he was still in the seat. If he had not been buckled, he would have gotten out of that seat and died elsewhere in the car. If he was scratching his skin off his face in desperation, he dang sure won u 'd have squirmed out of those car seat straps if there was any possible way.

Witnesses at the scene said he was in rigor mortis and when he was removed from the car seat his legs remained elevated as if he was still in it. LE/EMTs confirmed this, and Det Stoddard testified to it at the PCH.

Cooper's height and weight are not known to us but again, Det. Stoddard knows, and he testified that the Cooper was too big for the seat's recommended guidelines. He also saw the car seat and testified that the straps were on the lowest setting, and I can tell you there's no question that Cooper was far too big for that strap setting, even without knowing his height and weight. The lowest setting is designed to safely secure a FOUR POUND NEWBORN.

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[MyBelle]

It's not their job to assume everyone who talks on a phone is a criminal. Not everyone who talks on their phone in the presence of LE is law-breaking scum--especially when they're in the middle of a personal crisis. My own experience with this type of behavior is definitely affecting my take on that situation.

His son was also in the middle of a personal crisis. Police didn't assume he was a criminal because he was talking on his phone. I do believe they took him into custody because he was evading talking to them. That's criminal behavior he was exhibiting and they reacted, which they can do and did. He can cry a river about it at trial and see how far it gets him.

JMO

 

[gngr~snap]

I deleted my car seat posts, I know they are still here because people responded to them. I just realized we aren't in the car seat thread!

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[EvilSoup]

Try working in a pediatric office. Parents won't even hang the phone up or quit texting long enough to tell you why they are there. It got old. I'm sure LE has dealt with it so many times they really don't care if they tick someone off.
For me personality if a doctor , nurse, police officer, paramedic etc approaches me because I sought their help, my phone is hung up before they even open their mouth.

I'll take it a step further. I don't talk on my phone in public, period. If it is a call I need to take, I will excuse myself and step outside or another out of the way place and not leave people waiting for me to end my conversation. I also think enough of others to not force them to listen to me patter away.

And if my child were blue and stiff and lying on the ground?

Whiskey. Tango. Foxtrot.

 

[EvilSoup]

I deleted my car seat posts, I know they are still here because people responded to them. I just realized we aren't in the car seat thread!

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It's all good! There was a lot of questioning whether Cooper was buckled in or not. I am not sure why, but I could see how you would post the carseat info here and it was very helpful, BTW.

 

[Sonya610]

I'm not putting a lot of stock in the fact that RH cursed the cops when they told him to get off the phone. Once, my car was hit from behind, and I was in the middle of a phone conversation with my son at the time the cops arrived at the scene. They literally screamed at me to get off the phone--vein popping, spitting, screaming at me to hang up the phone. All I was doing was letting my son know I was going to be late coming home from work because of the accident. If I were in a situation where my son was dead, I would probably have screamed obscenities at them, too...I still tell the story of how disrespectfully the cops talked to me that day, and that was at least 15 years ago.

Many people think it is disrespectful to be yapping on a cell phone over trivial matters when others are waiting to take care of the business at hand (not referring to RH in this instance).

The police no doubt deal with it ALL of the time and they get sick of it. Being "in the middle of a conversation" when the police arrive and staying on the phone to discuss NON critical matters until one is asked/told to get OFF the phone says a lot about respect for others imo.

That is the reason some stores have to post signs at checkout telling customers NOT to use their cell phones at the counter, because people are so disrespectful of others they will let phone conversations take priority even when the cashier and a line of customers are waiting!

 

[CHERIE.T]

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[LittleRose]

I have no idea why they were using that seat--that would be an interesting question for RH and LH to answer. On this forum, it's been said that the small seat was actually in LH's car up until a recent trip she took to AL when they switched seats. I just don't see anything sinister about it--maybe stupid, but not sinister.

It's not that I feel so strongly that Cooper wasn't buckled in, but I do feel strongly that there is no evidence of that fact. The same as there is no evidence of the baby being buckled tight into a car seat that was too small for him, no evidence of that at all--except for RH's statement to LE.

Heck, I don't think anyone here even knows Cooper's height and weight, do they? Or is everyone pretty much guessing his size and how he fit into the car seat? And from the conversations I've seen, it's just a guessing game as to which specific car seat he was even in that day.

Evie- I have no doubt that Cooper was tightly buckled into (as RH said) the infant seat that was too small for him. As LE said, his head would have been over the top of the seat- in easy view (6 inches from) of RH's head. I also have no doubt, however, that a slimy defense attorney will try to distort the evidence by claiming that RH didn't see Cooper because he had gotten out of his seat. Hopefully, the jury will see past manipulative tactics like that and dismiss such a desperate theory by the defense.


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[popsicle]

Yeah, poor RH...his wife probably had to dress him every morning and tie his shoes based on all his disabilities...pffft


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Well...it's only a matter of time before color blindness is mentioned. :giggle:

 

[LittleRose]

It's not their job to assume everyone who talks on a phone is a criminal. Not everyone who talks on their phone in the presence of LE is law-breaking scum--especially when they're in the middle of a personal crisis. My own experience with this type of behavior is definitely affecting my take on that situation.

LE doesn't assume everyone who talks on the phone is a criminal. Nor do they assume everyone who talks on their phone in the presence of LE is law-breaking scum. We don't live in a world of absolutes. RH got himself hauled in for questioning, and eventually arrested because of several of his words and actions/inactions- it's the totality of the circumstances that moved LE to action, not just RH's talking on the phone while others called 911 and attended to the baby RH killed.


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[LittleRose]

Tell me I am not dreaming. At some point early on RH was speaking to someone in "code", well maybe not code, but he was using the military alphabet. Something was said about it then it was quickly excused after realizing he had been a 911 dispatcher. Does anyone else remember that?

At the PC hearing, Stoddard gave an example of the lingo RH used but I don't remember the specifics.


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[matou]

UNIDENTIFIED PROSECUTOR: During -- when you talked to him, did he give any background. He used to work in law enforcement.

STODDARD: Yes, he did.

UNIDENTIFIED PROSECUTOR: Would you tell the judge about that. Have you determined exactly what it was he did?

STODDARD: We have received two stories now. We received a story that he worked as a jailer and then we received a story that he worked as a dispatcher. In his own words to me on the interview, he worked for five years as a dispatcher down in tuscaloosa, alabama.

UNIDENTIFIED PROSECUTOR: When he spoke with you, did he -- i i don't want you to take offense at this but did he use cop language with you?

STODDARD: Yes. He would sit there and he would say, you know, like alpha bravo. Everything would be spelled out in phonetics.
UNIDENTIFIED PROSECUTOR: And through the time you're talking with him about his son and the son's death, did you ever see any tears coming from him?
STODDARD: No.

http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1407/03/wolf.02.html

 

[LittleRose]

Really, the detailed explanation about the buckling up process was totally unnecessary--like some type of nervous reaction to me.

People have been known to lie to cover up their mistakes. He's obviously not much of a liar because he's done a poor job of it--that's probably what makes him look so bad. Nothing worse than an amateur liar............ROFLMBO!! But on the other hand, there's absolutely no acceptable reason for LE to lie.

RH lies to make himself look better. Just like Casey Anthony, he's a well-seasoned, probably life long, liar. He was a fraud, living a double life- sexting women (including a minor) while playing family man and guitar at church. He had so many conned for so long, he thought he was a talented enough liar to get away with murder. There's no acceptable reason for DEFENSE LAWYERS to lie either, but it often happens, allowing criminals to walk free after committing heinous crimes like the murder of their children.


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