Small Details that are interesting in the Cooper Harris case, #1

[EvilSoup]

I did mention this a few pages back, or maybe it was on the SM thread, but on Reddit, Ross mentions that although he lost most of the hearing in his right ear, his left ear makes up for it and he really doesn't notice the hearing loss.

So I am pretty sure that's a little nugget the prosecution can use if the defense plays the "deaf" card.

OTOH, one could argue that Ross' interwebz postings aren't always truthful or factual. But would the defense say "Aha! Yes he posted that, but we ALL know my client is a bald-faced LIAR!"

I could take this waaay down the rabbit hole, as I am home sick and looped up on cold meds. Sorry for rambling, lol.

 

[LittleRose]

Now I'm getting a feel for the birth of some of these wild theories that are going around...to read into what I posted that I think Cooper could have gotten out of his car seat? And a post that I was blaming the baby for his own death? Wow--just.wow.

Evie- Far as I can tell, you're the only one birthing wild theories. Like suggesting LH's "Did you say too much?" Was referring to RH not buckling Cooper in tightly to his car seat or not at all. What evidence do you have to support this line of thinking?


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[gngr~snap]

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Ok I think I've got it.

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[SStarr33]

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Damn, that's funny
:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

 

[gngr~snap]

Slimy defense lawyers will use lying (their own and their client's) to their client's advantage. The tricks of the trade are sickening. How do they sleep at night?


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They "lie" on one side, then they "lie" on the other and sometimes the "lie" on their back.

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[EvilSoup]

RH lies to make himself look better. Just like Casey Anthony, he's a well-seasoned, probably life long, liar. He was a fraud, living a double life- sexting women (including a minor) while playing family man and guitar at church. He had so many conned for so long, he thought he was a talented enough liar to get away with murder. There's no acceptable reason for DEFENSE LAWYERS to lie either, but it often happens, allowing criminals to walk free after committing heinous crimes like the murder of their children.


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Yes.

I know you cannot get an exact read on a person from their internet posts, but again, on Reddit, he was just Mr. Expert on EVERY subject. He comes off as a know-it-all and braggert. And kind of smug. And he words some things in a way that aren't outright lies, but misleading (left a career in law enforcement).

The fact that he was criticizing people for leaving pricey laptops in vehicles (but babies aren't valuable), expressing strong abortion views (I guess killing already-born babies is cool, though) and offering financial and legal advice (um, really, do I need to say more?) shows what a fraud he is.

 

[LittleRose]

You actually think that's acceptable behavior by someone whose job is to "protect and serve"?????????????????

Yes. I think it's acceptable behavior for LE to tell RH (whose baby has just been discovered dead) and you (right after a car accident) to get off your phones. I don't care if the LEO's yelled or had veins popping on their necks. "Protect and serve" doesn't require LE to put up with disrespectful folks or ones who don't think the rules apply to them.


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[SStarr33]

Updated: 6:14 p.m. Tuesday, July 22, 2014

Posted: 5:18 p.m. Tuesday, July 22, 2014

Friend of Ross Harris says man portrayed by police is not the man he knew

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/close-friend-says-ross-harris-not-man-portrayed-po/ngksC/

LOL, now this guy is saying he hopes there is a "reasonable explanation".

I wonder if he is concerned about being sued for his earlier statements.

 

[jojo87]

I'd imagine the results from the autopsy will show if Cooper was buckled into the seat or not. I wonder will it be able to have determined how tightly.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Slimy defense lawyers will use lying (their own and their client's) to their client's advantage. The tricks of the trade are sickening. How do they sleep at night?


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It shouldn't matter if lawyers lie in court. What they say is not evidence for the jury to consider. Witness's lying is a different thing all together. JMO.

 

[gngr~snap]

I'd imagine the results from the autopsy will show if Cooper was buckled into the seat or not. I wonder will it be able to have determined how tightly.

This is not directed at you, I have to say that first.

What if it was so tight he couldn't sit up enough to lean forward when it got so hot and when he began vomiting it all ended up on his neck, shoulders and chest instead of between his legs or off to the side of the carseat.

Just for instance...
would you (meaning people reading this post) call that child safety or cruelty?

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[EvilSoup]

It shouldn't matter if lawyers lie in court. What they say is not evidence for the jury to consider. Witness's lying is a different thing all together. JMO.

It matters because it is illegal and could result in the lawyer being disbarred.

However it is done all the time and can be tricky to prove a lawyer knowingly lied in court.

And yes, it is also illegal for a witness to lie in court.

 

[CCmakes3]

Yes. I think it's acceptable behavior for LE to tell RH (whose baby has just been discovered dead) and you (right after a car accident) to get off your phones. I don't care if the LEO's yelled or had veins popping on their necks. "Protect and serve" doesn't require LE to put up with disrespectful folks or ones who don't think the rules apply to them.


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Also keep in mind that LE responding to an emergency call are "on the clock" on the taxpayers dime. It would be disrespectful and wasteful for them to not make the best use of that time. Every minute they sit and wait politely for someone to get off the phone is a minute you and I are paying them for, and a minute that may delay them in getting to the next accident or emergency.

It's almost comical to think of the police rushing their off to get to the scene of an accident or emergency and then sitting there politely waiting for the "victim" to get off the phone. Should they do what the rest of us do while waiting...look at their nails, shift their weight from leg to leg, strike up small talk with their partner and bystanders, or whip out their own phones and start playing Candy Crush or checking Facebook?

 

[EvilSoup]

This is not directed at you, I have to say that first.

What if it was so tight he couldn't sit up enough to lean forward when it got so hot and when he began vomiting it all ended up on his neck, shoulders and chest instead of between his legs or off to the side of the carseat.

Just for instance...
would you (meaning people reading this post) call that child safety or cruelty?

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I do not believe for a second that Cooper was tightly buckled in that too-small seat because Ross wanted to keep him safe. He was buckled in to make sure he couldn't get himself out as he began to overheat and panic.

He very well may have been in a hunched position and the vomit would have covered him. :badmood:

Poor little guy. I cannot imagine the terror and misery he suffered. I hate Ross so much.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

It matters because it is illegal and could result in the lawyer being disbarred.

However it is done all the time and can be tricky to prove a lawyer knowingly lied in court.

And yes, it is also illegal for a witness to lie in court.

If a lawyer makes up a totally fabricated story in an opening statement (Baez) he's not going to get disbarred. The jury is not supposed to use that statement when deliberating. If they do then their not doing their job correctly.

That's why jury selection is so important. JMO.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Updated: 6:14 p.m. Tuesday, July 22, 2014

Posted: 5:18 p.m. Tuesday, July 22, 2014

Friend of Ross Harris says man portrayed by police is not the man he knew

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/close-friend-says-ross-harris-not-man-portrayed-po/ngksC/

LOL, now this guy is saying he hopes there is a "reasonable explanation".

I wonder if he is concerned about being sued for his earlier statements.

IMO at this point, it seems a "reasonable explanation" is just magical thinking.


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[New1]

Apparently a newspaper giving an inexact time, is reason to call a detective saying "around 30 seconds" a liar. That's pretty much the gist of the the "embellishment."

:facepalm:

That and the fact that RH did not stop and wait for the person he met to get past his car. Nor did he stick his head in the car at lunch time when he dropped off the lightbulbs. All according to the article in AJC. It's not just about the one discrepancy....there is several. JMO

 

[LittleRose]

Updated: 6:14 p.m. Tuesday, July 22, 2014

Posted: 5:18 p.m. Tuesday, July 22, 2014

Friend of Ross Harris says man portrayed by police is not the man he knew

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/close-friend-says-ross-harris-not-man-portrayed-po/ngksC/

LOL, now this guy is saying he hopes there is a "reasonable explanation".

I wonder if he is concerned about being sued for his earlier statements.

I bet this guy is under a lot of pressure from the Harris family. Didn't RH's mom call the PC hearing judge an SOB or something like that? If so, she'd have little compunction intimidating local folks...


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[EvilSoup]

If a lawyer makes up a totally fabricated story in an opening statement (Baez) he's not going to get disbarred. The jury is not supposed to use that statement when deliberating. If they do then their not doing their job correctly.

That's why jury selection is so important. JMO.

The American Bar Association’s Model Rules of Professional Conduct states that a lawyer “shall not knowingly make a false statement of material fact.”

http://www.americanbar.org/content/dam/aba/migrated/cpr/mrpc/mcpr.authcheckdam.pdf

That said, yes, it happens all of the time and lawyers statements are not to be considered as evidence by jurors. But I cannot agree that lying in court is okay.

 

[matou]

Why wouldn't Ross tell Stoddard that he returned to his car at lunch? He told about his friends picking him up and what time he left and returned. Wouldn't he have thought to himself OMG I went back to the car and what if Cooper was still alive??? I could have saved him!!!! He doesn't even mention going to his car. WHY?

UNIDENTIFIED PROSECUTOR: Now, he talked about his day. Did the defendant talk to you about what he went to lunch that day?

STODDARD: He did.

UNIDENTIFIED PROSECUTOR: What did he go do for lunch?

STODDARD: Two of his friends picked him up, went to lunch,

UNIDENTIFIED PROSECUTOR: Did he say about what time he got back? Was he able to give you a definite time?

STODDARD: He said they left about 12: 30 and left like 11: 30, back around 12: 30.

UNIDENTIFIED PROSECUTOR: While you're talking to the defendant, does he obviously know why he's there?

STODDARD: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED PROSECUTOR: You've already talked to him about the fact his child had been left in the car and that's what he's talking to you about.

STODDARD: Correct.

UNIDENTIFIED PROSECUTOR: At any time, did he ever mention he had returned to that car during the day?

STODDARD: No, sir.

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