Small Details that are interesting in the Cooper Harris case, #1

[EvilSoup]

Updated: 6:14 p.m. Tuesday, July 22, 2014

Posted: 5:18 p.m. Tuesday, July 22, 2014

Friend of Ross Harris says man portrayed by police is not the man he knew

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/close-friend-says-ross-harris-not-man-portrayed-po/ngksC/

LOL, now this guy is saying he hopes there is a "reasonable explanation".

I wonder if he is concerned about being sued for his earlier statements.

Bless BMc's heart. :loveyou:

He seems to be the only person who thinks about little Cooper. Just the fact that he, not Leanna is caring for Cooper's grave is enough to make me want to hug that big teddy bear of a guy.

 

[gngr~snap]

It matters because it is illegal and could result in the lawyer being disbarred.

However it is done all the time and can be tricky to prove a lawyer knowingly lied in court.

And yes, it is also illegal for a witness to lie in court.

I wouldn't worry about RH's lawyer... he is no Baez.


"Assistant Attorney General for five years, where he argued habeas corpus cases across the State of Georgia and represented the State in murder cases before the Supreme Court of Georgia. He then served as an Assistant District Attorney in the Cobb Judicial Circuit for six years where he successfully tried dozens of felony jury trials, including defendants charged with murder, armed robbery, child cruelty, and trafficking narcotics."
He knows what he is doing...
Mental health defense, doesn't mean RH will walk, but that is where I see this going.... moo
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[EvilSoup]

I bet this guy is under a lot of pressure from the Harris family. Didn't RH's mom call the PC hearing judge an SOB or something like that? If so, she'd have little compunction intimidating local folks...


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IDK, it sounded more like he is broken hearted by this all and wishes there was a reasonable explanation. It didn't sound like backpedaling to me, so much.

Although, RH's mom seems mean as a snake so maybe she got to poor BMc. I hope not.

 

[Lovejac]

Slimy defense lawyers will use lying (their own and their client's) to their client's advantage. The tricks of the trade are sickening. How do they sleep at night?


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With one eye open? ;-)

Nah, I think they sleep just fine, unfortunately

 

[SStarr33]

I bet this guy is under a lot of pressure from the Harris family. Didn't RH's mom call the PC hearing judge an SOB or something like that? If so, she'd have little compunction intimidating local folks...


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He should be intimidated if he made defamatory or libelous statements. IDK if he did, but I'm sure that Lin Wood knows. He probably has google's cache for all statements about LH and RH.

 

[Hippiemomof5]

Has it been said yet what Ross' normal daytime hours were at Home Depot? He worked from 9:30 to 4:15 and had an hour lunch, that's only 5 hours and 45 minutes of actual time on the job (not actual work as we've learned). That can't be his full time work for $61,200 a year!? Or did he arrive late and leave early that day uncharacteristic of his normal work day?

 

[tlcya]

police are liars, defense lawyers lie all the time, witness intimidation, 30 seconds or 15 seconds, prove that Cooper was strapped into the carseat, defamation and libel and Lin Wood.

Lion's and tigers and bears - oh my.

I feel like I am being punked.

I have nothing to contribute to such a conversation.

 

[magnolia]

I've said it earlier in the thread and I'll say it again -- the PCH wasn't a trial.

Stoddard was charged with relaying ALL of the state's evidence to this point.

He stated the video was time-stamped; he said "around 30 seconds."

Prosecution doesn't typically call (and LE doesn't typically offer up) a person not seasoned & capable enough to handle this responsibility.

That being said... he had to recall & recite a tremendous amount of information, all the while knowing what they were still looking into, trying to be careful to say enough while not saying too much... I have no doubt that whatever Stoddard was saying was what he recalled & believed to be true after multiple acts of participation on his part combined with multiple briefings by those on his team.

During the actual TRIAL, we will get a chance to see the actual officers involved in each portion of the investigation testifying to what they actually witnessed (no hearsay).

Probable cause hearing is just that -- probable cause. There has been no conviction; it's a rushed process (remember the defendant has a right to a speedy trial) so things can move along rather quickly.

I highly doubt anyone will leap to Stoddard being a perjurer.

... Outside of all that -- am I to understand that you are assuming that AJC & MB are being truthful and transparent while Stoddard was not? If so, why? Is there something more believable about MB or the reporter from AJC that would make you doubt Stoddard? Could you agree that the main arguing points that are covering the media right now are entirely subjective and best handled by a jury?

Please understand I'm not holding your feet to the fire -- I'm trying to understand your perspective -- thanks!

BBM- Detective Stoddard had a goal. That goal was to paint RH in the worse possible light. He had to show probable cause in order for the judge to uphold the charges.

However,this was not the typical probable cause hearing where the public was behind the arresting PD department. The public was in an outrage because RH was arrested and charged. Cobb county was taking a lot of heat. Stoddard was also under a lot of pressure to turn public opinion and get the public off his back. All that said, in this particular case, the detective had more than one motive for possibly enhancing his testimony a bit. I thought he was quite selective in his testimony, making sure, he did not state anything, that might be taken as favorable to the defendant. Yes, this is typical for state testimony at a PCH. However, for the reasons stated above, the burden on the detective was a little heavier. More reason to possibly enhance.

The examination of the survellience video and PCH transcript was conducted by more than one person from the Atlanta Journal Constitution. So, this is not about believing the one reporter. I respectfully don't agree with your "main arguing points" comment. This was a report based on an examination of the evidence. It was not entirely subjective. If the main arguing points had not and were not being dissected on social media and MSM, I might agree with you. Why should the AJC refrain? I can't imagine the AJC accepting responsibility for this report without valid proof of what they stated as fact.

Had the AJC indulged in idle gossip about the couple, the report would have been more attractive to the public, I'm sure.

IMO

 

[Lovejac]

Has it been said yet what Ross' normal daytime hours were at Home Depot? He worked from 9:30 to 4:15 and had an hour lunch, that's only 5 hours and 45 minutes of actual time on the job (not actual work as we've learned). That can't be his full time work for $61,200 a year!? Or did he arrive late and leave early that day uncharacteristic of his normal work day?

I am anxiously awaiting that information. I can't imagine that was normal work hours.

 

[greenbean]

The "alpha bravo" BS reminds me of Haleigh Cumming's grandmother showing up the night Haleigh vanished wearing that damn LE jacket. Made my hackles go up.

That always makes my guts curdle, when people pull moves like that. I'm from a family of first responders. Three generations of detectives and firemen/women/beat cops and EMT's.... Generally, we don't "name/position drop."
(Then again, I've never been arrested....)

 

[human]

BBM- Detective Stoddard had a goal. That goal was to paint RH in the worse possible light. He had to show probable cause in order for the judge to uphold the charges.

However,this was not the typical probable cause hearing where the public was behind the arresting PD department. The public was in an outrage because RH was arrested and charged. Cobb county was taking a lot of heat. Stoddard was also under a lot of pressure to turn public opinion and get the public off his back. All that said, in this particular case, the detective had more than one motive for possibly enhancing his testimony a bit. I thought he was quite selective in his testimony, making sure, he did not state anything, that might be taken as favorable to the defendant. Yes, this is typical for state testimony at a PCH. However, for the reasons stated above, the burden on the detective was a little heavier. More reason to possibly enhance.

The examination of the survellience video and PCH transcript was conducted by more than one person from the Atlanta Journal Constitution. So, this is not about believing the one reporter. I respectfully don't agree with your "main arguing points" comment. This was a report based on an examination of the evidence. It was not entirely subjective. If the main arguing points had not and were not being dissected on social media and MSM, I might agree with you. Why should the AJC refrain? I can't imagine the AJC accepting responsibility for this report without valid proof of what they stated as fact.

Had the AJC indulged in idle gossip about the couple, the report would have been more attractive to the public, I'm sure.

IMO

Hm. CH was just another child left in a car. The public was sending nice sums of money to the bereaved family.

The public would have let this disappear into another sad case of forgotten child.

LE could have let that happen as well. But, the evidence did not lead that way

 

[tlcya]

I love how during the hearing there were folks who adamantly insisted that they wanted to see the evidence. They did not want to simply take Stoddard's word under oath.

Okay, fair enough. I am a show me the evidence gal, I could support and understand that stance.

Suddenly, now that AJC says there are discrepancies based on their "review" of the surveillance, nobody needs to see the evidence to conclude that Stoddard and the DA are big fat lying railroading embellishers. Now those same individuals do not need to see the evidence themselves to make a determination of its validity, relevance or meaning???

:waitasec:

 

[human]

I love how during the hearing there were folks who adamantly insisted that they wanted to see the evidence. They did not want to simply take Stoddard's word under oath.

Okay, fair enough. I am a show me the evidence gal, I could support and understand that stance.

Suddenly, now that AJC says there are discrepancies based on their "review" of the surveillance, nobody needs to see the evidence to conclude that Stoddard and the DA are big fat lying railroading embellishers. Now those same individuals do not need to see the evidence themselves to make a determination of its validity, relevance or meaning???

:waitasec:

What discrepancies? A few seconds? This is the smoking gun?

To me, staying in a car for even a minute is no big deal. Check for anything I need that I leave on my seat. Finish listening to a radio report. Pick up any garbage I want to throw away. That kind of thing.

 

[tlcya]

MOO this is all smoke and mirrors to deflect from the really damning stuff.

the 30 seconds or 15 seconds in car after arriving at Treehouse means very little to me. People gather up things get organized before leaving the car. I place my keys in my purse, I grab my cup I roll up my window if needed and grab my purse. 10 seconds tops. Maybe sometimes, if I have more to organize, I take longer. That 30 seconds or 15 seconds was never a big smoking gun for me.

But now it apparently implies that RH is being railroaded in the court of public opinion and police are actively participating in lying under oath to accomplish it? GMAB!

Lets talk about the 30 seconds to 1.5 minutes it took Mr. Harris to allegedly forget the child he had just fed, strapped in and kissed lovingly and not make the turn to daycare -

oh yeah, that's right, defense did address that - Come'on folks you know you have all forgotten your doggy bag just seconds after it being handed to you at the restaurant. BARF bag please? Anyone?

Everything that can be subjectively viewed is now a "discrepancy" - uh no, its called subjective for a reason. It means evidence open to interpretation.

Stoddard interpreting RH actions on video is not lying, it is not embellishing, it is not railroading. It is called analyzing and opining. And now we have AJC's analysis which differs.

DUH because its all subjective and in the eye of the beholder.

I want to hear defense address the objective evidence.

crickets

Just saying.

 

[Cinnamon]

MOO this is all smoke and mirrors to deflect from the really damning stuff.

the 30 seconds or 15 seconds in car after arriving at Treehouse means very little to me. People gather up things get organized before leaving the car. I place my keys in my purse, I grab my cup I roll up my window if needed and grab my purse. 10 seconds tops. Maybe sometimes, if I have more to organize, I take longer. That 30 seconds or 15 seconds was never a big smoking gun for me.

But now it apparently implies that RH is being railroaded in the court of public opinion and police are actively participating in lying under oath to accomplish it? GMAB!

Lets talk about the 30 seconds to 1.5 minutes it took Mr. Harris to allegedly forget the child he had just fed, strapped in and kissed lovingly and not make the turn to daycare -

oh yeah, that's right, defense did address that - Come'on folks you know you have all forgotten your doggy bag just seconds after it being handed to you at the restaurant. BARF bag please? Anyone?

Everything that can be subjectively viewed is now a "discrepancy" - uh no, its called subjective for a reason. It means evidence open to interpretation.

Stoddard interpreting RH actions on video is not lying, it is not embellishing, it is not railroading. It is called analyzing and opining. And now we have AJC's analysis which differs.

DUH because its all subjective and in the eye of the beholder.

I want to hear defense address the objective evidence.

crickets

Just saying.

TY! :goodpost:ITA.

 

[PaperDoll]

To me it's not just about whether RH stayed 15 or 30 minutes in the car even though it adds to all the pieces of the puzzle. It's the fact he said he FORGOT Cooper less than 1 minute after strapping him in his car seat, kissing him then deciding to NOT take him to day care??? This is so not believable to me... Yes, people forgot things like doggy bags etc but you don't forgot a dog or child that you just put in the car.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I love how during the hearing there were folks who adamantly insisted that they wanted to see the evidence. They did not want to simply take Stoddard's word under oath.

Okay, fair enough. I am a show me the evidence gal, I could support and understand that stance.

Suddenly, now that AJC says there are discrepancies based on their "review" of the surveillance, nobody needs to see the evidence to conclude that Stoddard and the DA are big fat lying railroading embellishers. Now those same individuals do not need to see the evidence themselves to make a determination of its validity, relevance or meaning???

:waitasec:

The irony is rich.


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[rob]

I'd imagine the results from the autopsy will show if Cooper was buckled into the seat or not. I wonder will it be able to have determined how tightly.

I haven't been on in a few days, so I don't know where this part of the conversation is coming from, BUT a two year old that wasn't buckled in would have been all over that car, probably could have even opened the door, based on my experience with 2 yr-olds. The fact that his body was stiffened into the form of sitting in the carseat, I would think would show that he was in fact buckled into it.
All MOO.

 

[atthelake]

The irony is rich.


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As is the iorny, as Baez would write

 

[SnoopyDawgDawg]

police are liars, defense lawyers lie all the time, witness intimidation, 30 seconds or 15 seconds, prove that Cooper was strapped into the carseat, defamation and libel and Lin Wood.

Lion's and tigers and bears - oh my.

I feel like I am being punked.

I have nothing to contribute to such a conversation.

Smoke and mirrors.