Small Details that are interesting in the Cooper Harris case, #1

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I love how during the hearing there were folks who adamantly insisted that they wanted to see the evidence. They did not want to simply take Stoddard's word under oath.

Okay, fair enough. I am a show me the evidence gal, I could support and understand that stance.

Suddenly, now that AJC says there are discrepancies based on their "review" of the surveillance, nobody needs to see the evidence to conclude that Stoddard and the DA are big fat lying railroading embellishers. Now those same individuals do not need to see the evidence themselves to make a determination of its validity, relevance or meaning???

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Stoddard's testimony was all it took to topple me over to the guilty-as-homemade-sin side...and none of the pitiful attempts to pull me back over are working. It reminds me of what little I could listen to of the defense side's hammering at Stoddard, i.e., let's hack at this one little diseased tree and ignore the forest all around us.
 
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Anyone know if the PCH supporting evidence was actually sealed by the court (after being given to defense)? My understanding is that it was not for public consumption. If it was sealed, I would think that someone working for the defense is in trouble, or should be. If AJC had requested the videos themselves, every other media outlet would do the same....so it seems that AJC was allowed to actually view it but not "own" it via the defense. This is probably why no timestamp was noted in their article to support their time estimate. How does the defense get away with this????? JMO
 
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Stoddard's testimony was all it took to topple me over to the guilty-as-homemade-sin side...and none of the pitiful attempts to pull me back over are working. It reminds me of what little I could listen to of the defense side's hammering at Stoddard, i.e., let's hack at this one little diseased tree and ignore the forest all around us.
I found Stoddards testimoney very professional also. But the main thing is, the video will be shown in court and the jury (and hopefully us) will all see it. It's not enough for me to forget everything else we already know and change my mind. In my opinion there is already enough to hang RH and probably LH, too. But if I were on the jury, and everything LE had stated in the hearing could be disproven by video or fact, I could change my mind. I don't think there is a snowballs chance in that happening, but...
 
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Anyone know if the PCH supporting evidence was actually sealed by the court (after being given to defense)? My understanding is that it was not for public consumption. If it was sealed, I would think that someone working for the defense is in trouble, or should be. If AJC had requested the videos themselves, every other media outlet would do the same....so it seems that AJC was allowed to actually view it but not "own" it via the defense. This is probably why no timestamp was noted in their article to support their time estimate. How does the defense get away with this????? JMO
I am sitting here scratching my head because they mentioned a cup. Stoddard never said anything about a cup. We should ask the reporter for a link!
I am not sure other news sources around here want to touch this story now. moo

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Anyone know if the PCH supporting evidence was actually sealed by the court (after being given to defense)? My understanding is that it was not for public consumption. If it was sealed, I would think that someone working for the defense is in trouble, or should be. If AJC had requested the videos themselves, every other media outlet would do the same....so it seems that AJC was allowed to actually view it but not "own" it via the defense. This is probably why no timestamp was noted in their article to support their time estimate. How does the defense get away with this????? JMO

I don't know if it was sealed or not, however IMO it definitely should have been. This case has not gone to the Grand Jury yet and the investigation is not complete/over. No way that video, or any other evidence used in the hearing, should be given or shown to media and/or the public yet. That's why I have such a difficult time believing anything in that AJC article. I know that we in the south get called backwoods/backwards sometimes, but not about something like this. Especially when it comes to a trial concerning the death/murder of a child.

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I am sitting here scratching my head because they me.tioned a cup. Stoddard never said anything about a cup. We should ask the reporter for a link!
I am not sure other news sources around here want to touch this story now. moo

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I'm thinking that "link" is Harris told his brother, his brother told the AJC reporters.

Harris at one point leaned over and said something to his younger lawyer, the one with the glasses, during the hearing. If I am not mistaken it was when Stoddard was on the stand. Does anyone remember this and remember what Stoddard was saying at that time?

MOO
 
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I am sitting here scratching my head because they mentioned a cup. Stoddard never said anything about a cup. We should ask the reporter for a link!
I am not sure other news sources around here want to touch this story now. moo

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Agree. But I think local news sources are cowed by the power of AJC. Also, no one would want to question how AJC had access to the videos, because it would affect their own chances of getting a "scoop" via leak in this or any other case. Guess the cup biz could prove that they did see the videos, but you are right, I never heard anything about a cup from Stoddard. JMO
 
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I am sitting here scratching my head because they mentioned a cup. Stoddard never said anything about a cup. We should ask the reporter for a link!
I am not sure other news sources around here want to touch this story now. moo

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Thank goodness he didn't mention anything about a cup because we'd be sitting here defending the fact that he said RH had a "Coke," when "in fact" he had a "Diet Coke." (Insert eye-rolling, head-shaking emoticon here).
 
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I have no idea why they were using that seat--that would be an interesting question for RH and LH to answer. On this forum, it's been said that the small seat was actually in LH's car up until a recent trip she took to AL when they switched seats. I just don't see anything sinister about it--maybe stupid, but not sinister.

It's not that I feel so strongly that Cooper wasn't buckled in, but I do feel strongly that there is no evidence of that fact. The same as there is no evidence of the baby being buckled tight into a car seat that was too small for him, no evidence of that at all--except for RH's statement to LE.

Heck, I don't think anyone here even knows Cooper's height and weight, do they? Or is everyone pretty much guessing his size and how he fit into the car seat? And from the conversations I've seen, it's just a guessing game as to which specific car seat he was even in that day.

You might check http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?249256-CAR-SEAT-discussion&highlight=harris This car seat forum goes into lots of detail about the car seat. Maybe someone there has posted which car seat Cooper had.
 
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I'm thinking that "link" is Harris told his brother, his brother told the AJC reporters.

Harris at one point leaned over and said something to his younger lawyer, the one with the glasses, during the hearing. If I am not mistaken it was when Stoddard was on the stand. Does anyone remember this and remember what Stoddard was saying at that time?

MOO

Approx. 15:15 into the hearing (link below): Det. Stoddard was on the stand. He was discussing how Ross walked to the other side of his car and got on his phone while the witness (AG ?) did CPR on Cooper. During that testimony, JRH leaned over and spoke to the younger lawyer. HTH.

http://www.wildabouttrial.com/one_off/misc-courtroom-video-archive/

ETA: Not sure if this is the only time JRH leaned over to speak to his lawyer, but it is the only time I remember him doing so. Of course, that doesn't mean there weren't other times, I just don't remember them. And, I do not remember any discussion about a cup, but then again, that doesn't mean it didn't happen, just that I don't remember. :smile: Guess I'll be watching the hearing AGAIN, lol.
 
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Has it been said yet what Ross' normal daytime hours were at Home Depot? He worked from 9:30 to 4:15 and had an hour lunch, that's only 5 hours and 45 minutes of actual time on the job (not actual work as we've learned). That can't be his full time work for $61,200 a year!? Or did he arrive late and leave early that day uncharacteristic of his normal work day?

There are so many questions about his schedule and the timeline that day:
- Did RH notifiy anyone at work that he was going to be late that day? If so, who, when, and what reason did he give.
- Did RH have to ask his supervisor for permission to leave early? If so, why did he say he was leaving early?
- If RH didn't have to ask permission to leave early, did he tell any of his colleagues he was leaving early, and if so, what did he tell them?
- On previous occasions when RH took Cooper to CFA, what time did Cooper arrive at daycare.
 
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Thank goodness he didn't mention anything about a cup because we'd be sitting here defending the fact that he said RH had a "Coke," when "in fact" he had a "Diet Coke." (Insert eye-rolling, head-shaking emoticon here).
Oh, puh leeze! It was Chick fil a! Most definitely lemonade! :floorlaugh:

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That and the fact that RH did not stop and wait for the person he met to get past his car. Nor did he stick his head in the car at lunch time when he dropped off the lightbulbs. All according to the article in AJC. It's not just about the one discrepancy....there is several. JMO

Actually, he DID stop and wait. He did. Intentional? We don't know. But someone came by and RH stopped, poked at his phone, then moved on when the person passed the car. That's not exactly a discrepancy. And I'd remembered the detective saying RH WATCHED the guy but, watching back, he didn't say that. He just said RH stopped walking, started and stopped again.


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Oh, puh leeze! It was Chick fil a! Most definitely lemonade! :floorlaugh:

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RH is the type that would pour it in a used Starbucks cup!!!
Lmao!
IMO


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  • #1,715
I do recall reading about the cup by stoddard. checking.

TY! I just posted that I do not remember any discussion about a cup during the hearing. Now it's bugging me, lol! I can't look it up right now, so it would be great if you can find it! :smile:
 
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BBM- Detective Stoddard had a goal. That goal was to paint RH in the worse possible light. He had to show probable cause in order for the judge to uphold the charges.

However,this was not the typical probable cause hearing where the public was behind the arresting PD department. The public was in an outrage because RH was arrested and charged. Cobb county was taking a lot of heat. Stoddard was also under a lot of pressure to turn public opinion and get the public off his back. All that said, in this particular case, the detective had more than one motive for possibly enhancing his testimony a bit. I thought he was quite selective in his testimony, making sure, he did not state anything, that might be taken as favorable to the defendant. Yes, this is typical for state testimony at a PCH. However, for the reasons stated above, the burden on the detective was a little heavier. More reason to possibly enhance.

The examination of the survellience video and PCH transcript was conducted by more than one person from the Atlanta Journal Constitution. So, this is not about believing the one reporter. I respectfully don't agree with your "main arguing points" comment. This was a report based on an examination of the evidence. It was not entirely subjective. If the main arguing points had not and were not being dissected on social media and MSM, I might agree with you. Why should the AJC refrain? I can't imagine the AJC accepting responsibility for this report without valid proof of what they stated as fact.

Had the AJC indulged in idle gossip about the couple, the report would have been more attractive to the public, I'm sure.

IMO

Have you had a chance to view the Good Morning America ABC legal consultant's comments about the AJC report? If this case goes to trial, it will definitely be interesting to see the entire video.


Quote Originally Posted by Tiki View Post
Good Morning America
Dan Abrams

" I think that the police officer if this article is accurate may have overstated the case but I don't think it's going to lead to the case getting dismissed. I don't think it would have led the judge to have done anything differently."



http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/geor...tions-24659906
 
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I haven't been on in a few days, so I don't know where this part of the conversation is coming from, BUT a two year old that wasn't buckled in would have been all over that car, probably could have even opened the door, based on my experience with 2 yr-olds. The fact that his body was stiffened into the form of sitting in the carseat, I would think would show that he was in fact buckled into it.
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This! Yes! Of course he was buckled in, dad couldn't risk him banging on windows or causing any attention getting scene. And as a mom of five and a foster parent if many toddlers the past ten years... no two year old would sit in a seat if he was not forced to. He'd be in the front, in the back, on the floor, licking the windows... not sitting in the car seat.


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could not readily locate a link to info from stoddard at PCH about cup so I deleted mine of earlier re that issue.

But like the carseat straps on straps off thing, I don't know why RH grabbing his computer bag from passenger seat and additionally grabbing a cup from his console before exiting the vehicle is a big deal.

ETA Stoddard and the DA were tasked with giving away enough about their evidence in what is still very much an active and ongoing investigation to secure their charges against RH. The requirement was not to give with specificity every ounce of evidence or knowledge they have to the court and via the hearing the public each and every bit of information they have. That is for trial.

They were focused on relaying what they felt important in explaining how they have concluded these charges are proper. Apparently whether RH carried a cup and computer bag or just computer bag out of the car with him that morning was not considered telling evidence, therefore it may have gotten no mention.
 
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Oh, puh leeze! It was Chick fil a! Most definitely lemonade! :floorlaugh:

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LOL The cup is no big deal, I agree but hey we have slim pickins' here for a while! I think the cup was only mentioned because the AJC mentioned it and we don't recall Stoddard mentioning it. Maybe he did. Not about what was in it, but why would AJC bother to mention it? Oh, maybe it took RH many seconds to pick it up, LOL JMO
 
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