Small Details that are interesting in the Cooper Harris case, #1

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  • #1,801
I guess for me, the smell issue is kind of a non-issue.

I believe Ross left Cooper in that car to die, so if there was an odor, it wouldn't have alerted Ross to anything, because he KNEW the baby was in there.

If there was an odor emanating from that car at the light bulb drop, that makes Ross even more suspect, IMO.

And I actually still think Cooper wasn't quite dead yet at that point.

I hear ya and I agree this was no accident. I was thinking along the lines of potential defense arguments. I'm certain the defense will bring in an expert witness to testify about Forgotten Baby Syndrome. In fact, as far as I can see that's the only defense they have.

Compared to similar cases nothing in RH's case - not one single thing - fits the circumstances. The defense will have to pull one heck of a ginormous rabbit out of their hat to make a compelling argument.
 
  • #1,802
Jmo and I am well aware of being in the minority but I think it is possible this is when he realized he had forgotten to drop off Cooper. And spent the afternoon deciding how he would deal with it. Or maybe even as he approached the car after lunch, it hit him, which might be why he did not look back, if he did not. A d was so quick about it. He knew what he would see. Jmo anyway. Just not 100% on premediated.

At that point he should have been praying with all of his soul that his child was still all right and taken him out and did what he could to save CH.

How many parents would say," oh well. Probably not alive, " and then go on with their day
 
  • #1,803
RH could have been looking at his cell phone, but he still would have known, without looking, if the man got too close to his car. I would assume if the man had seen CH in the car, he would have yelled for help which RH would have heard.

Yes, of course, but that has nothing to do with my question about what impression people got from Stoddard's testimony of how RH acted when he met that person in the parking lot at lunch time. I definitely got a visual in my head of RH stopping, maybe even turning to look at the person, until the person got passed RH's car. I realize this is not what Stoddard said, but it sure made me *think* this was the case.
 
  • #1,804
And another one...thankfully no one died and this guy is an idiot!
Cherry Hill police say man left children, 3 and 1, in vehicle
CHERRY HILL TWP . — Police on Monday arrested a man accused of leaving a 1-year-old and a 3-year-old alone in a vehicle outside the police station. Dwayne Kemp, 30, of the 900 block of Wagner Ave. in Philadelphia, was charged with endangering the welfare of a child. Police said they lear...
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  • #1,805
Yes, of course, but that has nothing to do with my question about what impression people got from Stoddard's testimony of how RH acted when he met that person in the parking lot at lunch time. I definitely got a visual in my head of RH stopping, maybe even turning to look at the person, until the person got passed RH's car. I realize this is not what Stoddard said, but it sure made me *think* this was the case.
Whose fault is that? He was testifying for the judge not for us, the public. jmo
 
  • #1,806
Would some of you be willing to try a little experiment? No money involved and little time.

Walk up to you car and just look casually like you normally do.

What do you see? Do you pretty much see the front and back seat?

Maybe I am weird, but that is what I see. I cannot imagine that he could walk up to his car and not see in it.
 
  • #1,807
Yes. I see your point also.

How could he send weenie pics and make movie plans after discovering he had made a horrible mistake?

SMH

Maybe that is how he spent most afternoons and wanted it to look like his average day...
 
  • #1,808
I hear ya and I agree this was no accident. I was thinking along the lines of potential defense arguments. I'm certain the defense will bring in an expert witness to testify about Forgotten Baby Syndrome. In fact, as far as I can see that's the only defense they have.

Compared to similar cases nothing in RH's case - not one single thing - fits the circumstances. The defense will have to pull one heck of a ginormous rabbit out of their hat to make a compelling argument.

Does Forgotten Baby Syndrome have a precedent? Anywhere? If not, that defense won't fly. And in my opinion this is not the case to set a precedent. Any lawyers here? Help! JMO
 
  • #1,809
Do bowels release upon death 100% of the time?

No, in fact imo I would say most of the time they do not. I have been with several of my own animals (typically large dogs) as they passed over and have never seen it happen.

Now if the bladder is full then I am sure that would be far more likely to leak soon after death, or if the death is traumatic (i.e. hanging, electric chair) the gravity and muscle spasms and stress probably also make it very likely.

In Coopers case I would expect he probably did because of the extreme stress, heat, length of time he was trapped and also because he was just a baby.
 
  • #1,810
Would some of you be willing to try a little experiment? No money involved and little time.

Walk up to you car and just look casually like you normally do.

What do you see? Do you pretty much see the front and back seat?

Maybe I am weird, but that is what I see. I cannot imagine that he could walk up to his car and not see in it.

Funny you mention this...I did this experiment when I first started following this case. I just KNEW I wouldn't be able to see in my vehicle because my tint (all front, back, and hatch windows) is after-market tint, the darkest tint that's legal in my state. I was surprised that I COULD see inside and I could clearly see my dog in his seatbelt harness in the back seat. NOT comparing my dog to a child, just stressing the fact that I could see inside with my darkazz tint. And factory tint is much lighter. Moo.

ETA: Just to clarify, no tint on the windshield glass, just a small strip at the top...as far as I know, windshield tint is illegal in most, if not all, states. Jmo.
 
  • #1,811
Would some of you be willing to try a little experiment? No money involved and little time.

Walk up to you car and just look casually like you normally do.

What do you see? Do you pretty much see the front and back seat?

Maybe I am weird, but that is what I see. I cannot imagine that he could walk up to his car and not see in it.

It's hard to do something like that as one naturally would when we're monitoring our own responses.

Perhaps a better experiment would be to put a box or something on your back seat, and ask someone else to go put a bag on your front seat. Then ask them what they saw.
 
  • #1,812
Isn't the law that it should be proven "beyond a reasonable doubt". To me this does not mean 100% absolute. Not many things in life are 100% absolute. I also look at the totality of the events and all of RH's actions and statements. Just one strange/unusual action or statement would not seem significant to me, but in this case almost if not all of RH's actions/statements are unusual and not normal to me. I try to keep an open mind and look at the facts and all the facts, not just one isolated point. When CH's death was first announced in the news, I thought the LE were too aggressive in charging RH. The PCH changed by mind. I posted earlier the link to the Good Morning America Show ABC legal analyst who said the info in Sunday's AJC article would not have changed the judge's decision at the PCH. If this case goes to trial, we will all be able to view the parking lot video tape(s).
When my adult daughter was 3 years old, our car pool with another child changed for the day and I was taking the girls to preschool instead of the usual picking up after school. I forgot they were in the car and headed out for work. BUT I did notice after about 10 minutes, and a few missed turns, that the girls were sitting quietly in the back seat. I noticed the girls in the back seat when I changed lanes on the interstate. I did not forget for 7 hours! Now I sometimes have my 2 preschool grandkids with me in my SUV. I always look in the back seat when getting out of the car. The near miss scared me to death.

I think we will 100% know if his bowels released upon death.
 
  • #1,813
Would some of you be willing to try a little experiment? No money involved and little time.

Walk up to you car and just look casually like you normally do.

What do you see? Do you pretty much see the front and back seat?

Maybe I am weird, but that is what I see. I cannot imagine that he could walk up to his car and not see in it.

My back windows are tinted--not super dark, just enough for shade, but you can't see in them.
 
  • #1,814
It's hard to do something like that as one naturally would when we're monitoring our own responses.

Perhaps a better experiment would be to put a box or something on your back seat, and ask someone else to go put a bag on your front seat. Then ask them what they saw.

True. In fact, it was my husband who told me years ago (when I first got the tint and was complaining about how dark it was) that it wasn't too dark and HE could see inside. I never believed him until I did my own little test. And even though I was monitoring my own response, I can see inside, pretty clearly, without a doubt. Moo.
 
  • #1,815
I just automatically look at my car. Not on purpose.

And I would be looking for the door because I would be approaching the car. I can't help but see the whole side of the car.
 
  • #1,816
RH could have been looking at his cell phone, but he still would have known, without looking, if the man got too close to his car. I would assume if the man had seen CH in the car, he would have yelled for help which RH would have heard.

Exactly. Could have been waiting to hear if the guy started yelling about a kid in the car or something. That is the impression I got but because two people saw the same video and described their impressions differently, does not make the detective a liar.


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  • #1,817
Yes, of course, but that has nothing to do with my question about what impression people got from Stoddard's testimony of how RH acted when he met that person in the parking lot at lunch time. I definitely got a visual in my head of RH stopping, maybe even turning to look at the person, until the person got passed RH's car. I realize this is not what Stoddard said, but it sure made me *think* this was the case.

Me, too, but that doesn't mean he lied or embellished as the paper suggests. When you listen to his testimony, those are certainly not his words.


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  • #1,818
My back windows are tinted--not super dark, just enough for shade, but you can't see in them.

There are photos of this car, in the media thread, you can plainly see THROUGH the windows of RH's.



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  • #1,819
Yes, of course, but that has nothing to do with my question about what impression people got from Stoddard's testimony of how RH acted when he met that person in the parking lot at lunch time. I definitely got a visual in my head of RH stopping, maybe even turning to look at the person, until the person got passed RH's car. I realize this is not what Stoddard said, but it sure made me *think* this was the case.

No one is responsible for what goes on in someone else's brain.
I envisioned him stopping, fake fiddling with his phone, and listening for a reaction from the passerby.


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