Small Details that are interesting in the Cooper Harris case, #1

[tlcya]

I think Cooper voided his bladder and or bowels but not necessarily as a function of death or decomp. I just assume his diaper MAY have been ripe because he is a baby, not potty trained that we know of and an odor was described by seasoned LEOs. Stoddard described it as death. Maybe it was death combined with feces and or vomit, maybe the odor of decomp intensified upon removing Cooper from the vehicle.

Lots of maybes. But I believe Stoddard when he testifies that he smelled death upon examination of the vehicle several hours later and that other officers onscene described it to him as well. I have no reason to believe a seasoned, experienced veteran of LEO, would lie on the stand under oath. Sorry does not compute.

Stoddard's qualifications as listed on the warrants:

Affiant is a sworn and certified police officer in the State of Georgia and has been for 10 years. Affiant is currently employed by the Cobb County Police Department and is currently assigned as a detective in the Crimes Against
Persons Division, Homicide Squad (CAP). CAP is responsible for investigating crimes perpetrated against persons in unincorporated Cobb County, GA to include the physical and sexual abuse of persons, abuse involving the internet or other electronic devices and means, and murder. Affiant has completed Search and Seizure, Interviews and Interrogations, Basic Investigations, Homicide Investigations and other investigation classes for POST credit.

http://media.cmgdigital.com/shared/news/documents/2014/06/28/merged_document.pdf

 

[hopingicanhelp]

Because they recorded. Audio and video.

I dunno... let AJC/MB review it and give us their assessment first... :facepalm:

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Maybe, like my earlier post about my mom, it was that there was no bowel activity after she died. Not sure, do not want to speak for another poster though.

Yes. I was agreeing with your post with a personal account that was similar to yours.

 

[hopingicanhelp]

Really, the detailed explanation about the buckling up process was totally unnecessary--like some type of nervous reaction to me.

People have been known to lie to cover up their mistakes. He's obviously not much of a liar because he's done a poor job of it--that's probably what makes him look so bad. Nothing worse than an amateur liar............ROFLMBO!! But on the other hand, there's absolutely no acceptable reason for LE to lie

BBM -- last time I'll say this then I'm moving on -- we have no proof Stoddard lied; we have 2 interpretations of subjective evidence at this point. Further, he was tasked to remember everything he testified to, but I have no doubt that he testified to what he recalled (no lying involved) as he definitely testified at times that he didn't know or couldn't recall some things.

Perhaps there is a lack of understanding of the legal process -- which is totally understandable, but not an excuse to jump to the conclusion that someone is lying under oath.

Just like I would hate LE to profile me and paint me with the same brush as everyone they've encountered that 1)looks like me, 2) drives my same car, 3) has my same occupation, etc, etc, etc,..... I don't paint LE with the same brush based on my negative experience with them.

just my thoughts & opinions...

 

[JerseyGirl]

Re-listen to the defense speaking to Stoddard. Even he admits it.

3:26 p.m. ET: The defense has called a witness to the stand, Leonard Madden.

"When I got closer, I thought it was a doll. And about three or four feet away, I noticed it was the body of a toddler. Right then my heart dropped because I saw this precious boy laying there lifeless," Madden said. "The father, Mr. Ross, had just given his child CPR and about two other people came near to assist. As I got closer, you could just hear his cries and his desperate for his son to be revived. He was saying, 'Oh my god, oh my god. My son is dead. Oh my god, my son is dead.' It sounded as if he was saying it out of hurt and disappointment, desperation. He was yelling, he was hollering, he was screaming.

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Rodney Smith MSM interview:

“The child looked sweaty and tired. Two guys started to give the boy CPR. I was on the curb and the father and another individual brought the boy out. The father kept circling around us yelling and screaming, “What did I do? Oh my God, my child is dead!” Smith added.

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Artiyka Eastland also thought Harris' behavior was bizarre.

Interview with MSM: 'I saw him (Harris) immediately jump out of the car, very quickly, very frantically.' 'He pulled the baby out of its child seat and on to the floor, but I didn't realize the baby was lifeless at that point, I thought maybe he was choking. He put the baby on the ground and started to give him CPR, there was one other person there with him helping.

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another witness:

Interview with MSM: Dale Hamilton, said he initially thought the child was choking, but quickly learned otherwise. “He pulled him out, laid him on the ground, and tried to resuscitate him,” Hamilton said. “He was lifeless, he was in the same position as if he were sitting in the carseat,” Hamilton said. “It’s something that I’ll remember for a long time.”

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...tes-statements-interviews-testimony-and-video

 

[OtterPops]

Sorry for your loss. Wouldn't the high temperature in RH's car for 7 hours contribute to the odors of decomposition as well as dirty diapers and/or vomit.

Some experts on HLN shows have repeatedly said vomiting and loss of bowels would be typical in a case of heat-related death. We do not KNOW what caused the stench in the car and certainly every death from this cause and others will not be the same, but they say it would be typical here.


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[hopingicanhelp]

That and the fact that RH did not stop and wait for the person he met to get past his car. Nor did he stick his head in the car at lunch time when he dropped off the lightbulbs. All according to the article in AJC. It's not just about the one discrepancy....there is several. JMO

Stoddard never said he stuck his head "in" - he did address the way in which RH turned his head, and was describing the way RH's body was positioned when tossing in the lightbulbs... people can take from that testimony what they wish... should he have seen CH in the car? We don't know. We can only speculate until WE see that video -- and lucky us, we get to do that here on WS

 

[hopingicanhelp]

BBM- Detective Stoddard had a goal. That goal was to paint RH in the worse possible light. He had to show probable cause in order for the judge to uphold the charges.

However,this was not the typical probable cause hearing where the public was behind the arresting PD department. The public was in an outrage because RH was arrested and charged. Cobb county was taking a lot of heat. Stoddard was also under a lot of pressure to turn public opinion and get the public off his back. All that said, in this particular case, the detective had more than one motive for possibly enhancing his testimony a bit. I thought he was quite selective in his testimony, making sure, he did not state anything, that might be taken as favorable to the defendant. Yes, this is typical for state testimony at a PCH. However, for the reasons stated above, the burden on the detective was a little heavier. More reason to possibly enhance.

The examination of the survellience video and PCH transcript was conducted by more than one person from the Atlanta Journal Constitution. So, this is not about believing the one reporter. I respectfully don't agree with your "main arguing points" comment. This was a report based on an examination of the evidence. It was not entirely subjective. If the main arguing points had not and were not being dissected on social media and MSM, I might agree with you. Why should the AJC refrain? I can't imagine the AJC accepting responsibility for this report without valid proof of what they stated as fact.

Had the AJC indulged in idle gossip about the couple, the report would have been more attractive to the public, I'm sure.

IMO

Respectfully, IMO, the public tide had turned before this PCH. Perhaps not to the degree it was afterwards, but the change.org petition had been withdrawn AND the donation fund was stopped BEFORE the PCH.

Also, the AJC has a goal as well - to get the scoop and sell a story.
MB has a goal -- to protect his brother.

The AJC article had a long list of points, but some of those HAD been addressed by defense during PCH so it's nothing new -- what is being talked about IS the subjective interpretation (or possibly rhetoric/semantics) and it will remain that way until the jury and/or public can view it.

Further, people interpreted some of Stoddard's testimony -- the things that "weren't said" ... possibly they were implied or inferred, we'd have to ask Stoddard -- no, there is a "goal" to do a "character assassination" on Stoddard, who was doing his job.

IMO

 

[EvilSoup]

3:26 p.m. ET: The defense has called a witness to the stand, Leonard Madden.

"When I got closer, I thought it was a doll. And about three or four feet away, I noticed it was the body of a toddler. Right then my heart dropped because I saw this precious boy laying there lifeless," Madden said. "The father, Mr. Ross, had just given his child CPR and about two other people came near to assist. As I got closer, you could just hear his cries and his desperate for his son to be revived. He was saying, 'Oh my god, oh my god. My son is dead. Oh my god, my son is dead.' It sounded as if he was saying it out of hurt and disappointment, desperation. He was yelling, he was hollering, he was screaming.

____________________

Rodney Smith MSM interview:

“The child looked sweaty and tired. Two guys started to give the boy CPR. I was on the curb and the father and another individual brought the boy out. The father kept circling around us yelling and screaming, “What did I do? Oh my God, my child is dead!” Smith added.

_____________

Artiyka Eastland also thought Harris' behavior was bizarre.

Interview with MSM: 'I saw him (Harris) immediately jump out of the car, very quickly, very frantically.' 'He pulled the baby out of its child seat and on to the floor, but I didn't realize the baby was lifeless at that point, I thought maybe he was choking. He put the baby on the ground and started to give him CPR, there was one other person there with him helping.

_________

another witness:

Interview with MSM: Dale Hamilton, said he initially thought the child was choking, but quickly learned otherwise. “He pulled him out, laid him on the ground, and tried to resuscitate him,” Hamilton said. “He was lifeless, he was in the same position as if he were sitting in the carseat,” Hamilton said. “It’s something that I’ll remember for a long time.”

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...tes-statements-interviews-testimony-and-video

My heart is so broken. I want to hold this little guy and squeeze him and tell him he is safe. But I can't. And his male parent just discarded him so that he could get his rocks off via text. Gross.

Cooper deserved better, to be loved and cherished.

I really want to go to bed, but cold meds make me wide awake so I just can't quit reading/replying. Sorry for any non sequiturs or plain old bad spelling.

 

[JerseyGirl]

Edward, a chef at pizza restaurant Uncle Maddio’s in the Akers Mill shopping complex, was one of the first on the scene:

‘The guy jumped out and was screaming, “What have I done, what have I done”, and he was yelling at me to call 911.

‘He had the back door open and this other guy came over and helped him get the baby out.

‘The other guy started doing chest compressions on the baby but the father was just running around saying, “What have I done?”'

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But Artiyka said after that something wasn't quite right about Harris' demeanor. She recalled: 'He was frantic as you'd expect, but when someone else came over to help with the baby he stepped away and he was acting like this is not happening type of thing.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...tes-statements-interviews-testimony-and-video

bbm

 

[gngr~snap]

It makes me really question why he was keeping his distance. Why didn't he wrap his hands around Cooper and hold him tight?
Between the rigor and the protruding tongue and his eyes, RH knew, yet he just lets the bystanders handle it.
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[EvilSoup]

Edward, a chef at pizza restaurant Uncle Maddio’s in the Akers Mill shopping complex, was one of the first on the scene:

‘The guy jumped out and was screaming, “What have I done, what have I done”, and he was yelling at me to call 911.

‘He had the back door open and this other guy came over and helped him get the baby out.

‘The other guy started doing chest compressions on the baby but the father was just running around saying, “What have I done?”'

_____________

But Artiyka said after that something wasn't quite right about Harris' demeanor. She recalled: 'He was frantic as you'd expect, but when someone else came over to help with the baby he stepped away and he was acting like this is not happening type of thing.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...tes-statements-interviews-testimony-and-video

bbm

So like old RoscoeUA.

 

[popsicle]

It makes me really question why he was keeping his distance. Why didn't he wrap his hands around Cooper and hold him tight?
Between the rigor and the protruding tongue and his eyes, RH knew, yet he just lets the bystanders handle it.
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There's no attachment imo. That's your baby, your life, your heart... and he just walked away.

 

[CHERIE.T]

Thanks muchly osu
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[MyBelle]

Does Forgotten Baby Syndrome have a precedent? Anywhere? If not, that defense won't fly. And in my opinion this is not the case to set a precedent. Any lawyers here? Help! JMO

Yep! Very big precedent in 2001 when Kari Engholm got a free pass from the Judge because she "forgot." I never have been able to figure how someone consciously forgets something. If you are conscious of something how do you forget it at the same time? Makes no freakin sense., imo.

Defense attorneys had said in closing arguments that prosecutors had failed to prove that Engholm had acted recklessly. The judge agreed, saying Engholm did not consciously forget about her child and so did not act with reckless disregard for her daughter's safety.

"The court cannot hold the mother accountable in a criminal proceeding, even for reprehensible conduct, if that conduct does not fall within the statutory elements of the crime charged," he said.

A prosecutor expressed disappointment.

"The way this verdict reads, then if somebody just forgot, then there is no case," county attorney Wayne Reisetter said.

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http://www.cbsnews.com/news/distracted-mom-found-innocent/

 

[CHERIE.T]

Just wow!

 

[Linda7NJ]

My heart is so broken. I want to hold this little guy and squeeze him and tell him he is safe. But I can't. And his male parent just discarded him so that he could get his rocks off via text. Gross.

Cooper deserved better, to be loved and cherished.

I really want to go to bed, but cold meds make me wide awake so I just can't quit reading/replying. Sorry for any non sequiturs or plain old bad spelling.

Always glad to have ya!


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[gngr~snap]

So, if I put in a microwave dinner and set the timer for 5 min. Then go outside and get in the pool with my toddler. The microwave beeps, I run inside and forget that I have a toddler in the pool. I go about my day, even going back to the pool area 2 hours later to toss my towel over the chair and don't look at the pool. I spend another 4 hours indoors before returning to the pool and jump in then remember I was in the pool with my toddler 7 hours ago, but I forgot him.
yeah, that'll fly!
not.



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[buttonbaby]

Would some of you be willing to try a little experiment? No money involved and little time.

Walk up to you car and just look casually like you normally do.

What do you see? Do you pretty much see the front and back seat?

Maybe I am weird, but that is what I see. I cannot imagine that he could walk up to his car and not see in it.

Based on an SUV or sedan, I definitely agree. My own car is a coupe- the front seats are extremely visible, but the back seat, not so much- it is not a "family type car", as we have no kids. Of course, when I am IN the car, I can see it clear as day, especially when my dog is in the back seat! Nope, not once have I ever forgotten the he was there. Never. I am SO conscious and aware any time he is with me....even if he is quiet and sleeping, I am constantly looking in the mirror, adjusting the A/C vents to make sure he is getting enough air, etc. I just cannot imagine in way, shape or form, forgetting him and he is a dog. A CHILD??? NO WAY. JMO, MOO, IMHO....

 

[PaperDoll]

Based on an SUV or sedan, I definitely agree. My own car is a coupe- the front seats are extremely visible, but the back seat, not so much- it is not a "family type car", as we have no kids. Of course, when I am IN the car, I can see it clear as day, especially when my dog is in the back seat! Nope, not once have I ever forgotten the he was there. Never. I am SO conscious and aware any time he is with me....even if he is quiet and sleeping, I am constantly looking in the mirror, adjusting the A/C vents to make sure he is getting enough air, etc. I just cannot imagine in way, shape or form, forgetting him and he is a dog. A CHILD??? NO WAY. JMO, MOO, IMHO....

I don't have kids either but I do have 2 dogs that I just love, and when they ride with me, I have them in their cage, in the back, (I drive a SUV) and like you, I look back to see how they are doing, and when I take a long drive and I have to stop and get gas or go to the bathroom, I'M ALWAYS AWARE THEY ARE IN THE CAR, ALWAYS ... So, like you said, A CHILD??? NO WAY!!!!