Small Details that are interesting in the Cooper Harris case, #2

[peedoffinny]

I don't know if this has been discussed yet, but I think that JRH's lawyer bringing up his deafness may hurt him. If he uses the excuse that he's hard of hearing and couldn't hear Cooper in the car, then how did he hear his son choking (per eyewitness statement)? I apologize if this has already been hashed out and I missed it.

 

[EvilSoup]

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[EvilSoup]

Think you're right because those are definitely 70's sideburns going on there!

Yes, there were others of RH he posted using that app.

 

[CHERIE.T]

sorrell, a huge thanks! :yes:

 

[Lovejac]

I think his awareness of that email from daycare will be key in trial and so I hope that his outlook or whatever emailing software is used at his work is looked at to determine if he had those little hovering "you just got an email" notifications were turned on and if he clicked on it, opened it or even simply marked it read without reading. the sender would be clear to him if he took any of those actions IMO and I agree, that email, if noted in any way by RH that day, should have prompted him to "remember" even if he suffers from the now apparently epidemic ailment of "forgotten baby syndrome"

JMO

We ar visiting my sister and she has a People mag dated July 21 with an article about this case.

in it, they state that a mother with a child that goes to that day care, says they send out an email if your child is absent.

if anyone has that issue, it's on page 47. The front cover has Jessica Simpson's wedding picturd.

Please forgive any typos, I'm in the mountains wigh no wifi, trying to post from my phone, lol!

 

[SStarr33]

We ar visiting my sister and she has a People mag dated July 21 with an article about this case.

in it, they state that a mother with a child that goes to that day care, says they send out an email if your child is absent.

if anyone has that issue, it's on page 47. The front cover has Jessica Simpson's wedding picturd.

Please forgive any typos, I'm in the mountains wigh no wifi, trying to post from my phone, lol!

Someone posted on FB a long time ago that is not the case.

 

[egg.head]

Since RH is such a tech oriented person, it would surprise me if he did not have his email, even his work email, linked to his phone. I would also guess he would at least scan his emails even if he did not open the emails, he would see it was from the daycare and think about CH. Just my thoughts.

I agree completely!
We know that he slacked off at work, so it wouldn't surprise me if he scanned his email frequently looking for updates/notifications from various social media sites. JMO

 

[Elley Mae]

IIRC, it was stated during the PCH that it was group email. I'll find the link and post shortly.

ETA, snip from CNN hearing transcript:

UNIDENTIFIED PROSECUTOR: During this day, did the defendant get any e-mails from the daycare?

STODDARD: Yes. He received a group from the -- his teacher, Cooper's teacher, michelle Gray, and that came in around 1:30 p.m.

http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1407/03/wolf.02.html

bbm orange, I take that as in he got it.

 

[Sonya610]

I don't think this is true. If it were, Kilgore would have whipped it out at the PCH like he did the "no hearing in right ear" argument. He was feeling pretty pleased with himself for that "shocker." Which actually works against JRH imo, since he didn't volunteer the info to LE when asked if he had any medical conditions.

I am not a defender of JH but I can see how he wouldn't mention it. He has had hearing loss for many years, he wouldn't consider it an ongoing "medical issue" because it didn't require treatment and he was used to it.

If I were asked that question by LE I would assume they meant something like heart problems, fainting, diabetes, something that requires ongoing treatment OR could alter ones normal behavior. Not exactly the same thing but I have nerve damage in my right hand due to an accident, I would never think of listing it as a "medical condition" because I am not receiving treatment, it is a permanent thing that I have learned to live with so I wouldn't list it on forms at the doctors office or even think to list it as a "condition".

 

[cady]

JMO I really cannot understand why the daycare teacher did not call Leanna or Ross about Cooper's absence. Not that I blame LAA for this horror at all, because it is the parents' duty to inform, but it makes me wonder if at the time of the PCH, there wasn't enough evidence vetted on that subject to make an affirmative statement about it. (because LE investigators had yet to pore through all the phone records?) It just seems odd, to me. Do we know how many toddlers were in Cooper's classroom? Does the daily "group" email include little tidbits about each kid or some kids? grrr. JMO * like "we miss Cooper today" blah blah...........SOMETHING??? JMO

 

[Sonya610]

JMO I really cannot understand why the daycare teacher did not call Leanna or Ross about Cooper's absence. Not that I blame LAA for this horror at all, because it is the parents' duty to inform, but it makes me wonder if at the time of the PCH, there wasn't enough evidence vetted on that subject to make an affirmative statement about it. (because LE investigators had yet to pore through all the phone records?) It just seems odd, to me. Do we know how many toddlers were in Cooper's classroom? Does the daily "group" email include little tidbits about each kid or some kids? grrr. JMO * like "we miss Cooper today" blah blah...........SOMETHING??? JMO

I agree, I find it hard to believe they DIDN'T have some sort of notification system in place. They had computerized check in didn't they? And of course they had all contact info for the parents including work phone and email, the computer system could have automatically generated text notices.

Then again is that something the parents could "opt into" and maybe these two did NOT ask to be notified? Seems very odd.

 

[cady]

Another thing that seems odd is that reportedly after Leanna insisted that Ross left Cooper in the car, one of the daycare people suggested to her that there were other possible explanations for Cooper's absence...like maybe Ross took him out to LUNCH. (did they not expect Cooper until lunchtime or after?) Why? And then the group email was sent at 1:30................after lunch. Maybe they weren't concerned about the morning absence, because they were accustomed to Ross dropping Cooper off at different times? Just grasping for straws here, with nothing definitive to launch from. JMO

 

[LambChop]

I agree, I find it hard to believe they DIDN'T have some sort of notification system in place. They had computerized check in didn't they? And of course they had all contact info for the parents including work phone and email, the computer system could have automatically generated text notices.

Then again is that something the parents could "opt into" and maybe these two did NOT ask to be notified? Seems very odd.

Or it could be that Cooper might have been brought in at different times of the day occasionally, depending on whether or not one of the parents was working from home. jmo

 

[PaperDoll]

We ar visiting my sister and she has a People mag dated July 21 with an article about this case.

in it, they state that a mother with a child that goes to that day care, says they send out an email if your child is absent.

if anyone has that issue, it's on page 47. The front cover has Jessica Simpson's wedding picturd.

Please forgive any typos, I'm in the mountains wigh no wifi, trying to post from my phone, lol!

BBM: I was wondering if day care would call/text/email a parent who's child didn't show up. The email was a "group" email, hum, not sure what that means? :waitasec: Would it mean to all parents that are on their email list? Or would it mean only to each parent along with the workers at day care? To me a group email would be to all on the list, but I'm not really sure if The Little Aprons works that way.

 

[CCmakes3]

I agree completely!
We know that he slacked off at work, so it wouldn't surprise me if he scanned his email frequently looking for updates/notifications from various social media sites. JMO

Good point....no way was this guy was ignoring his emails given his obsession with social media.

 

[human]

Could be a group email to all parents of children who did not show up.

It does seem late for that though at 1:30.

Unless the emails are on some automated system, it would take a staff member a bit of time to call parents of absent children. Time that is taken away from the children.

Nap time seems like a great time to do paperwork.

I was a teacher and I told parents if they did not call in an absence, I would call them.

It is not as easy as it sounds as numbers are disconnected , mailboxes are full, no incoming calls allowed,or parents don't answer.

I would call the emergency numbers and if no one answered, I documented my attempts and that was it,

 

[osu]

Aunt of baby who died in hot car says tragic accident is 'eating away' at infant's family

HURRICANE, Washington County — Skyah Suwyn's bright blue eyes and sweet spirit lit up every room.

The 11-month-old girl, presumed to have died from heat exhaustion Friday afternoon after being left in a car, brought incredible joy to her family, her aunt said Saturday.

The baby's death was a terrible accident that has devastated her sister and her family, Aimee Wright said.

"It was an accident. If people who are being negative could even see how hard she is on herself. If they could see that she keeps saying, 'If only. If only. If only. I wouldn't have been out of my routine that day. If only I had gone to the gym.' She blames it all on herself," Wright said through tears.

Under normal circumstances, April Suwyn takes her sons to a babysitter while she works in the family home doing nails, Wright said. The baby usually sleeps while Suwyn attends to her clients.

On Friday, she dropped off her older sons with Skyah in the car, then returned to the family's home house. There was construction on the street so Suwyn had to parked up the street from their home. She needed to use the restroom so she hurried into the house after parking the car.

Ordinarily, she would then put the baby down for her nap.

"In her mind, she had laid Skyah down for a nap. That was her normal routine before she would start doing nails," Wright said.

Suwyn usually asked a neighbor to watch the baby while she drove a couple blocks to the babysitter's house.

On Friday, she got back in the car and drove to pick up the boys. After walking out of the babysitter's house to her vehicle, she discovered Skyah in the back seat.

Wright said her sister was devastated by the events. Her pain has been compounded by negative comments on the Internet.

"She doesn't need the negative. It's eating her away. It's eating the family away. She's a good mom and she made one simple mistake that she'd take back in a heartbeat," Wright said.

~snipped

Rest of article at link: http://www.deseretnews.com/article/...ccident-is-eating-away-at-infants-family.html

 

[Sonya610]

Unless the emails are on some automated system, it would take a staff member a bit of time to call parents of absent children. Time that is taken away from the children.

It is not as easy as it sounds as numbers are disconnected , mailboxes are full, no incoming calls allowed,or parents don't answer.

In this case the parents were ALL home depot employees! Their email boxes would not likely to be full, and surely not the work email AND the work voicemail. Plus there are automated systems that do notifications these days, I would expect that day care had them as it was top knotch.

The group email could have gone out every day, and it doesn't seem appropriate to send a group email out to parents at 1:30 telling them their children weren't at the facility. On the other hand if they sent a group email out everyday to ALL the parents giving them a generally daily update I could see that being ignored/opened later.

 

[SStarr33]

In this case the parents were ALL home depot employees! Their email boxes would not likely to be full, and surely not the work email AND the work voicemail. Plus there are automated systems that do notifications these days, I would expect that day care had them as it was top knotch.

The group email could have gone out every day, and it doesn't seem appropriate to send a group email out to parents at 1:30 telling them their children weren't at the facility. On the other hand if they sent a group email out everyday to ALL the parents giving them a generally daily update I could see that being ignored/opened later.

The parents of children at that daycare get a daily email with info about their child's day.

 

[tlcya]

Another thing that seems odd is that reportedly after Leanna insisted that Ross left Cooper in the car, one of the daycare people suggested to her that there were other possible explanations for Cooper's absence...like maybe Ross took him out to LUNCH. (did they not expect Cooper until lunchtime or after?) Why? And then the group email was sent at 1:30................after lunch. Maybe they weren't concerned about the morning absence, because they were accustomed to Ross dropping Cooper off at different times? Just grasping for straws here, with nothing definitive to launch from. JMO

I found those responses by daycare personnel odd as well. If Cooper had never been at daycare and a parent arrived to pick him up after 4 pm my first attempt to explain the discrepency would not be "maybe he took him to lunch"

But I think the daycare people may have simply been grasping at any explaination that they might be able to offer to calm LH down fro her immediate assupmtion that Cooper had been left in the car.

Which is why that 6 minute phone call feels really important. If RH spoke with someone at daycare and prepared them for LH arrival but none of them wanted to be the ones to break such horrific news I can see staffers stumbling and bumbling reaching for any alternative to offer LH when she said that. Problem was, after 4pm, when the other parent has indicated thru text around 3ish that they think your child is at daycare (What time are you picking up my buddy) there really is no other explaination that comes immediately to mind.

Just some thoughts that are tumbling around up here in the grey matter.