Small Details that are interesting in the Cooper Harris case, #2

[SmartSassyBBW]

I've been wondering if he was medicated as well.

 

[matou]

What did Ross do at the UPS store? He went there too at lunch.

UNIDENTIFIED PROSECUTOR: Now, let me stop you there. Did you eventually find out where he had gone during lunch that he had left out?

STODDARD: Yes, sir.

UNIDENTIFIED PROSECUTOR: Where had he gone?

STODDARD: He had gone to Publix, the UPS Store and Home Depot. And he had purchased two boxes of light bulbs.

http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1407/03/wolf.02.html

 

[Lovejac]

What did Ross do at the UPS store? He went there too at lunch.

UNIDENTIFIED PROSECUTOR: Now, let me stop you there. Did you eventually find out where he had gone during lunch that he had left out?

STODDARD: Yes, sir.

UNIDENTIFIED PROSECUTOR: Where had he gone?

STODDARD: He had gone to Publix, the UPS Store and Home Depot. And he had purchased two boxes of light bulbs.

http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1407/03/wolf.02.html

Several posters here found the info of the company that RH started with his friends. The address registered was a PO box, so the opinion was that they went there to check the PO box.

I can't remember if the address of the UPS store was confirmed as being the address of the PO box

 

[nosysw]

What did Ross do at the UPS store? He went there too at lunch.

UNIDENTIFIED PROSECUTOR: Now, let me stop you there. Did you eventually find out where he had gone during lunch that he had left out?

STODDARD: Yes, sir.

UNIDENTIFIED PROSECUTOR: Where had he gone?

STODDARD: He had gone to Publix, the UPS Store and Home Depot. And he had purchased two boxes of light bulbs.

http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1407/03/wolf.02.html

His friends drove him all these places? And they ate lunch? They must get a longer lunch "hour" than most people I know. Who would even go out to lunch after coming in late and planning to leave early? :waitasec:

 

[Sonya610]

If LE responded to a call involving a dead body in my car, I would expect to be answering questions. If I chose to not answer their questions, I would be under arrest immediately. Under these circumstances, one is not free to go just because they don't feel like answering questions. That was my point.

You can't be arrested for not answering questions, but you can be DETAINED. My non professional understanding is that the police can only hold you for so many hours before either charging you with a crime or releasing you. You can ask for an attorney the moment you are taken into custody and at that point you don't have to say a word, just wait out the detention period and if the police can't find enough evidence for a warrant they have to release you.

In this case the suspect had a good reason for the dead body to be in his car, if he had kept his mouth SHUT (and also not left evidence of searches regarding babies dying in hot cars, which they might not have looked for if he hadn't SAID he did it) he would have walked.

 

[Evie Ivy Over]

Sorry to be graphic but iirc according to the testimony he was in that hot car deceased for long enough to be in a sitting position shaped rigor mortis and a stench and there were abrasions to the back of his head. There are probably plenty of forensic signs on that car seat that a child died in it, and if he was unbuckled he likely would not have died in a sitting position imo but lying down after being all over that car trying to get out

Jmo but I think the police are pretty sure based on the evidence Cooper died in that car seat and I'm not really sure why RH would have lied about buckling him in the seat.

This is a theory of mine--it is continually brought up by poster after poster as if they're disturbed by the possibility there could be any other scenario than what they envision. Not sure why this keeps getting rehashed and rehashed, but since you've asked, a child buckled into the back seat of a car would also be in a sitting position when rigor set in. He would have been able to scratch himself and he would have been able to beat his head against the back of the seat. It is questionable whether a child would be able to work its way out of a seat belt, but I don't know how Cooper reacted to the excruciating heat--it's possible he could have become extremely fatigued, may have gone into seizures, may have become totally disoriented--all which would effect his ability to get free from the belt.

Why would RH lie about buckling Cooper into his car seat? Maybe something to do with child seat belt laws comes to mind....

I don't really feel a need to rehash this over and over, I made a post on a different thread where no one responded in such a way as they have on here. But if you want to keep talking about it we can...as I mentioned before and as you said, the forensics will close this one way or the other. I guess it's a disliked theory because if RH didn't buckle Cooper into that small car seat, but put him in the backseat, it may take some heat off the theories that he intentionally killed his son?

 

[al66pine]

ahh, thank you.

ugh thinking about my kids at 16 receiving a pic of a 30ish year olds penis... omg

Yes, 30ish year old's penis, ugh.
But would it be any consolation if a 30 y/o man had sent pix of a 16 year old's equipment? Or a 60 y/o man's equipment?

Did the Det. testify that Ross' pix was actually his own?
Re poss federal criminal charges against Ross re transmission, does it matter?
Imo, the creep factor is that a 30 y/o sent the pix to a 16 y/o (someone he thought was 16), no matter whose pee-pee was pictured.

(Sorry if O/T here in the small diff thread)

 

[renarde]

His friends drove him all these places? And they ate lunch? They must get a longer lunch "hour" than most people I know. Who would even go out to lunch after coming in late and planning to leave early? :waitasec:

We've probably all worked with people like this. I wonder if his two buds still "work" at HD.

 

[Evie Ivy Over]

Seriously, the fact that Cooper was belted in his carseat was the testimony and pictures presented to the judge during the PCH by Stoddard. JMO

Stoddard testified that RH is the one who told LE that he buckled Cooper into the carseat at CFA, and Stoddard also testified that RH had removed Cooper from the car before LE arrived at the scene on Akers Mill Rd. Can you provide additional details that I may have missed? Thanks..

 

[Sonya610]

It is questionable whether a child would be able to work its way out of a seat belt, but I don't know how Cooper reacted to the excruciating heat--it's possible he could have become extremely fatigued, may have gone into seizures, may have become totally disoriented--all which would effect his ability to get free from the belt.

From my understanding heat stroke often causes major confusion, that is why sometimes elderly folks die during unusual heat waves even though they have a working air conditioner sitting unused in the same room! They delay turning it on and by the time they are getting overheated they are so confused they don't think clearly enough to turn it on.

Locally there was a case of a police dog dying of heat stroke while pursuing a suspect in the woods (unfortunately the handler didn't realize what was happening) and another case of an elderly couple working out in their field BOTH dying of heat stroke, when one went down the other stayed and they both were found dead later.

 

[nosysw]

Several posters here found the info of the company that RH started with his friends. The address registered was a PO box, so the opinion was that they went there to check the PO box.

I can't remember if the address of the UPS store was confirmed as being the address of the PO box

Thanks for the additional thought as I was just wondering about this. On the UPS store website they noted that they offer a physical address to customers which looks more professional than just a PO box. Does anyone know if the business address included a physical address?

 

[Sonya610]

Thanks for the additional thought as I was just wondering about this. On the UPS store website they noted that they offer a physical address to customers which looks more professional than just a PO box. Does anyone know if the business address included a physical address?

UPS is NOT the U.S. Postal Service, therefore they cannot offer PO boxes, and I am pretty sure they can't deliver to PO boxes seeing as how those are owned by USPS. The physical address is probably there so they CAN receive regular postal service mail.

 

[nosysw]

UPS is NOT the U.S. Postal Service, therefore they cannot offer PO boxes, I don't think they can even deliver to them. The physical address is probably there so they CAN receive regular postal service mail.

That's what I thought, that's why I went to their website. They do have boxes to receive mail and other services which make it more tempting than a USPS box, i.e. 24 hour access.

 

[Inthedetails]

UPS is NOT the U.S. Postal Service, therefore they cannot offer PO boxes, and I am pretty sure they can't deliver to PO boxes seeing as how those are owned by USPS. The physical address is probably there so they CAN receive regular postal service mail.

The UPS Store does indeed have mailboxes to rent. They are not called "P.O. Boxes" but they are essentially the same thing by a different name. I know this because I used to rent a small box at my local UPS Store.

 

[oh_gal]

It's so heart breaking seeing little Cooper's forum dying down after the General Discussion thread was closed.

Sorry if this is a dumb question...but why was it closed down?

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

I am curious too. I think general discussion is always good in a case.

Maybe it was getting to crazy? Too many alerts? If people would just chill a little we could talk about a lot more.. MOO

 

[Donjeta]

This is a theory of mine--it is continually brought up by poster after poster as if they're disturbed by the possibility there could be any other scenario than what they envision. Not sure why this keeps getting rehashed and rehashed, but since you've asked

Well, I'm sorry, I haven't read every post in every thread and I thought this was a fresh topic since it was brought up in this thread.

a child buckled into the back seat of a car would also be in a sitting position when rigor set in. He would have been able to scratch himself and he would have been able to beat his head against the back of the seat. It is questionable whether a child would be able to work its way out of a seat belt, but I don't know how Cooper reacted to the excruciating heat--it's possible he could have become extremely fatigued, may have gone into seizures, may have become totally disoriented--all which would effect his ability to get free from the belt.

He wasn't on the brink of death straight away, all two-year-olds that I know would have been able to squirm their way out of a normal seatbelt on the back seat even during the ride from Chick-Fila to the parking lot. They are designed to keep a larger person from being flown out of the seat in case of sudden stop, not to keep a small child from freeing themselves out of them. JMO. The angle of the legs in a child sitting in the backseat and the rear facing car seat would likely be slightly different too, and if the child is feeling faint or not alive and actively using their muscles to keep in a sitting position it's imo questionable whether the seatbelt designed for adults would keep the child in a sitting position. They would slump imo. If the child scratched himself to the backseat there would be forensic signs of that.

Why would RH lie about buckling Cooper into his car seat? Maybe something to do with child seat belt laws comes to mind....

I go back to the mindset of a parent who has just realized that he lost his child because he forgot the child in a hot car. If it was a honest accidental mind-freeze and they're devastated I think they would probably not be very likely to worry about CYA and lie to the cops who are investigating their child's death because they violated seatbelt laws... Seems negligible when there is the much bigger problem that the child is dead. It was clear in the probable cause hearing that the police thought the position of the car seat was significant because it meant RH could see Cooper, so he just shot himself in the leg and damaged his defense if he lied that Cooper was there and he in fact was somewhere else that he couldn't be seen. I'm reasonably certain that the topic came up several times in his interviews with the police.

I don't really feel a need to rehash this over and over, I made a post on a different thread where no one responded in such a way as they have on here. But if you want to keep talking about it we can...

Not necessary, you can feel quite free to just ignore my posts and not reply to me if I'm bringing up something that you are already bored with.

as I mentioned before and as you said, the forensics will close this one way or the other.

Yes and weren't there witnesses at the parking lot who might have seen RH get his son out of the car?

I guess it's a disliked theory because if RH didn't buckle Cooper into that small car seat, but put him in the backseat, it may take some heat off the theories that he intentionally killed his son?

Well I think it's a disliked theory because the police in the PCH testified differently so it makes the investigators either incompetent or liars and there doesn't appear to be sufficient justification to blame them for such at this point. It also makes RH a liar and if RH was an innocent, devastated father who had just realized that his son was dead I would expect him to mostly have told the truth to the police in the first interview as he hadn't had time to figure out suitable lies and perhaps even no need, at least not about this.

 

[matou]

Cooper may have vomited all over the straps of the car seat. JMO

 

[Sonya610]

The UPS Store does indeed have mailboxes to rent. They are not called "P.O. Boxes" but they are essentially the same thing by a different name. I know this because I used to rent a small box at my local UPS Store.

Yes, they aren't called PO Boxes. Just like UPS can't deliver to a PO box. Post Office Box = U.S. Postal Service.

 

[Sonya610]

Not necessary, you can feel quite free to just ignore my posts and not reply to me if I'm bringing up something that you are already bored with.

I find Ivy's appearance/posts rather interesting. They don't sound like someone with a professional interest in the case, but they do sound like someone that has an emotional attachment to this sort of situation.