Solving the Long Island serial killer case

[Stacy5401]

If you watch people magazine season 1 episodes 1 and 2 it may help you look at it differently. I’m rewatching it now and I’ll post my suspicions afterwards. Also so sad that the mom Mary Gilbert was stabbed to death later on. Unreal the stuff this family endured.

I’m pretty sure Hackett and Brewer I really question the first time I watched this but I’m rewatching again because this case REALLY bugs me

 

[jaejae]

Here is a report about LE possibly using investigative genetic genealogy in this case:

New technology could help solve Gilgo murder cases

Other people might know more than I do but I was not aware they had DNA of an offender in the Long Island murder cases.

 

[BelleinDixie]

Multiple personali

I am new here. I have always had an interest in this case since I first heard about it.

Yes there are brothels in Queens I guess but I also know that there was a major crack down a few years ago. There was one that was hidden in a basement by where I get my nails some and it is actually a very busy middle class area and it's on a main road so that was weird.

I do believe that there is the possibility of there being more than one person that used Giglo Beach as their trophy garden. If you look you will see that in some places the bodies were really close together and then you see places where the bodies are spread out. Maybe they knew about each other maybe they didn't the only people that would know is the killers. Maybe the killer has multiple personalities with different killing styles. While it is highly unlikely it is still a possibility.

There are A LOT of wealthy people on Long Island. So I do feel that this person could have paid people off or that the person has a lot of influence. For some reason my gut is telling me it's a cop or someone with a lot of connections.

Do I think that the killings have stopped? Absolutely not. I think I that the person or people found a new place for their trophy garden. The thing about Giglo Beach besides it being deserted a lot of the year is that it had very thick brush which I believe helped conceal then bodies. I also believe that after the bodies were found that the brush was trimmed. The killer would have looked for a similar area to dump the bodies now. Maybe they are using a wooded area now.

Do I think that the doctor had something to do with Shannon's death? Yes I absolutely do. It is stated in the documentary that he had connections to the Suffolk Country Police Department and politicians. It could easily be a cover up. Also his erratic behavior concerns me but I feel like he is doing it just so that they leave him alone.

Also Megan's mother said that her daughter wouldn't leave without her self phone unless her guard was down. Well what if that was a condition made by the john because he did not want anyone being able to track the GPS on her cell phone. It could have been a high profile client so it could have been a request that was made numerous times.

Regarding the train in Penn Station, there aren't that many lines that go through different areas in Queens. The main train station in Queens is Jamaica. I would guess 98% of all the trains on the LIRR go through Jamaica, the only one I can think of that doesn't is the Port Washington line. If she was going back to Conn then she would have been taking Amtrack. But her cell did ping by Giglo Beach so that would be the train to Massapequa Park or Babylon and then a taxi ride. If they took a taxi together the company could possibly have surveillance footage somewhere. If they knew took the missing persons report seriously they could have easily obtained this footage and that is what bothers me the most. This person could easily be in jail right now.

Also why didn't anyone go to the police with these phone calls or at least record them. There were just so may missed opportunities in my opinion. If only the police took these complaints seriously.

Putting the bodies in both Nassau county and Suffolk was genius. Also someone made a comment about children's jewelry and how common it is. There are companies that only specialize in children's jewelry and then there are companies that sell both adult and children's jewelry. So I mean if they knew where it was from there is usually a company logo stamped in the jewelry, they can go through receipts and find out who bought it. I know the company I work for stamps everything.

Have there been any developments from the Suffolk County Police Department? I don't remember there being anything in the news but I could be mistaken.

I thought Multiple personality disorder has largely been discredited?

 

[jaejae]

Here is a recent Podcast about the cases. I think it is likely that more than one offender used the area as a dump site for bodies over the years similar to the Texas Killing Fields. It might be true but I doubt if he was a cop and with the suspect in the Golden State Killer case being a cop too it would be a funny old world where LE are not only responsible for investigating all the crimes they are responsible for committing them too:

Is the Long Island Serial Killer a Cop?

 

[jaejae]

Here is a report about one of the murder victims associated with this case:

Scarborough victim's mother hopes new evidence will solve "Gilgo Beach" murders:

Megan Waterman was 22 and working as an escort in New York when she disappeared. Her remains, and remains belonging to nine others, were found along a highway in a Long Island neighborhood.

Several were women who worked in prostitution and police believe a serial killer is responsible.

On Thursday, investigators released a new picture of evidence found at one of the crime scenes. It's a black, leather belt embossed with the letters "H-M" or "W-H."

 

[3Patriots]

Gonna guess the belt was found on Barthelemy, as it was her sister who was taunted by LISK in subsequent phone calls. If he was going to break his MO, it probably would have been for her since she clearly rattled him enough in some way to have him torture the family.

 

[URonhere]

At the time of these murders there were a handful of escort agencies in the yellow pages for Long Island, Queens, NY. Not a whole lot really. The owners all knew of each other. The higher end ones really didn’t associate with the lower end ones. When a “John/client” called usually the phone person would call 411 to verify the name and address and ring the client back. When Craig’s List started a lot of these girls did there own adds using the same lessons learned or something similar. If the phone records were more easily attainable or if they even still exist it would really have been helpful. Especially from any of the suspects. Let’s take the driver....the way this works is you can be an escort for an agency and “they” give you a driver to take you, almost 100% of the time the driver waits for you. Shannon was in the middle of nowhere he wouldn’t have gone anywhere, he would have waited in his car. She also didn’t just hire a driver, that comes from using a type of agency no matter if it’s LI, Queens etc. Where was he? He saw something. The rule is you call in every hour to your driver especially to confirm they are keeping you longer and had paid you. It’s interesting there isn’t more detail about his questioning. How many girls had that agency sent out to that “John/client” before? And or to a certain area? What usually happens is if you see a client thru an agency then they always try to see you outside the agency for cheaper and for longer. The mentioning of a brothel in Queens? Sometimes girls would work in a brothel by choice all day or all night. They could have an add on Craig’s list too. They did not usually send girls on out call. She most likely knew and confided in him that’s where she worked sometime or at some point and that she was safe there among other girls. I highly doubt he met her there. LSK around 1999/2000 was in his 40’s, white, educated/ middle class, deep voice speaks and asks questions calmly. He is sadistic, a piece of garbage, he is also cheap. “The dirtier the better” does it for him. I believe he was in touch with a friend of mine back then. “It’s that feeling inside that speaks to you that you have to trust, telling you someone is really bad.” I think he may read these things......we’re coming for you.

 

[Factor7]

Does anyone know the COD for the toddler and mother? What communities/cultures have matching mother/child jewelry?

 

[Trish L]

Multiple personali


I thought Multiple personality disorder has largely been discredited?

how did they ping her phone if she didn't bring it with her?

 

[Michele413]

I finally got a chance to listen to this. Great timeline.
The key to this case in my opinion is seeing a more detailed connection between the victims.
If you go with the single killer connection how does this killer get the victims besides that they are all sex workers. Is he the John or is he a pimp or a does he have police connection.
My thoughts are he is a rich John who attends sex parties. I believe Shannon Gilbert is key to finding this guy. She says they are going to kill me. The driver also tells a neighbor she is going to be in trouble for contacting the police.
She was in the house for 2 to 3 hrs. Guy says he did not have sex with her so he could just like to watch . I believe there were more wealthy men at his house you pay someone 1500 you expect a lot. So if he passed polygraph he may not be the killer but the killer may have been at his house when it was known she called police he chased after her killing her in the swamp because he was afraid he would be identified. He probably works in NY because the killer called the sister of one of the victims from there.
The driver is from Queens. On one show the friend of one victims said she was in brothel in Queens.
Sex traffickers will keep women locked on brothels forcing them to service John's feeding them drugs and will transport these girls to parties for rich clients.
I think they should find out if driver is connected to any brothels in Queens or if any of the victims pimps are connected to sex traffickers in Queens.
The killer may frequent multiple sex parties and brothels but only kills when he can not control his urge.
Neighbors of Shannon's last John said he had multiple parties at his home since his wife left.
I believe the police did not investigate the neighborhood and should have searched the property of her last John to see what horrors he had in his house.
A prostitute does not call the cops ever knowing the consequences. She experienced something so disturbing in that man's house that she felt the need to screaming for her life .
It seems she would have gone to get in her driver's car but did not. Was he in the house at some point?
Both the doctor and this John no longer live there
With all the publicity the killing seems to have stopped.
This is good news but the killer has not been caught.
These women are someone's daughter some of them are mother's. Some are sisters.
They need justice.
Also I would see if any of their dates uploaded any of these girls activities on the internet. If so they Killer would be able to relieve his date with them over and over through internet .
It is a very complex case with little DNA evidence that is to the police not searching for Shannon properly.

“With all the publicity the killing seems to have stopped.”
Unless the killer is dead or already incarcerated... there is always that possibility.

 

[Michele413]

One of the POF,s was Asian. LISK murdered an Asian transvestite along with the others.

The Asian male was killed in a different manner. He was killed by blunt force trauma to the head. The theory has been that when the killer found out he was not a woman, he killed him in that manner and not by strangulation which likely gave the killer some pleasure with his female victims.

 

[Michele413]

Does anyone know the COD for the toddler and mother? What communities/cultures have matching mother/child jewelry?

There was no COD on the toddler

 

[Mindyny1]

what does everyone think about the asian male theories? i was convinced on it being mo zhang (still sort of am) until i stumbled upon this Is this the Asian male? [source Dorothy Price Hill] : LISKiller

as well as the tirrel santiago theory so now im unsure, even if it was mo zhang maybe he wasnt cross dressing but a witness that maybe happened to be around during the dumping of a body and in rage was beaten to death, same with the mother and toddler possibly? im not a sex worker myself but i do know that theres someone i personally know who lives in a motel with her 3 kids and if she cant find a babysitter she brings her children along because she’s desperate for money so i dont want to rule out the mother and toddler not being there for trafficking reasons but something about it makes me believe that they were the wife and child of one of the serial killers and thats why they weren’t identified or looked for more thoroughly. another question i have is why they were the only african americans of the victims that were found? was it just random? maybe they werent part of these trafficking murders but just dumped in a similar location? the fact the jewelry wasnt stolen could potentially indicate that he felt it would be wrong to take it off of them for personal reasons, granted i am fully aware its more likely and it could also mean the intent wasnt robbery but a killing fantasy, yet i have a hard time letting go of the jewelry part, did the other victims have any jewelry left on them? sometimes its also a cultural thing, i know in indian culture they are all given bangles to represent marriage, other cultures are given bracelets as a representation of your friendship or relationship to someone, was the killer hinting us more than we know? has that ever been questioned? they could’ve possibly been from another state originally and the killer (aka the husband and father) moved them all to ny where they were murdered. i think the killer was a NY native but possibly was in a different state for an unknown reason, it goes with the hunting theory as well that he couldve been in the water going towards the warmer climate for his hunting in the bays/rivers as stated in the show. i believe there were 2 killers competing against each other which would also support the “hunting club” theory because hunters like to compete who can kill the most but instead of animals maybe they go for humans. i think that by them choosing sex workers is only because of the mere fact of they’re harder to report missing but if it was as hard to report anyone missing it might not be sex workers being targeted. im very intuitive and i have a very strong psychic sense, always have, and i am so attached to the doctor having a big part in this. im still deciding on if i think he mightve just been guilty because he gave her too many drugs and knew it could come back on him now that shes dead and he’s associated with a killer or if he actually could be the killer himself. im also kind of on the fence of if shan was even a part of lisks victims or if it was just a coincidence that uncovered so much truth that we all just put it to a connection. i live 45 mins from atlantic city and i recognized some of the scenes from the show where some of the motels were and felt so eerie just knowing ive been around there and thinking what if there are more victims that havent been found. im curious to see what people think of my theories!

The women and child could be Hispanic .Hispanic people has african american in there

what does everyone think about the asian male theories? i was convinced on it being mo zhang (still sort of am) until i stumbled upon this Is this the Asian male? [source Dorothy Price Hill] : LISKiller

as well as the tirrel santiago theory so now im unsure, even if it was mo zhang maybe he wasnt cross dressing but a witness that maybe happened to be around during the dumping of a body and in rage was beaten to death, same with the mother and toddler possibly? im not a sex worker myself but i do know that theres someone i personally know who lives in a motel with her 3 kids and if she cant find a babysitter she brings her children along because she’s desperate for money so i dont want to rule out the mother and toddler not being there for trafficking reasons but something about it makes me believe that they were the wife and child of one of the serial killers and thats why they weren’t identified or looked for more thoroughly. another question i have is why they were the only african americans of the victims that were found? was it just random? maybe they werent part of these trafficking murders but just dumped in a similar location? the fact the jewelry wasnt stolen could potentially indicate that he felt it would be wrong to take it off of them for personal reasons, granted i am fully aware its more likely and it could also mean the intent wasnt robbery but a killing fantasy, yet i have a hard time letting go of the jewelry part, did the other victims have any jewelry left on them? sometimes its also a cultural thing, i know in indian culture they are all given bangles to represent marriage, other cultures are given bracelets as a representation of your friendship or relationship to someone, was the killer hinting us more than we know? has that ever been questioned? they could’ve possibly been from another state originally and the killer (aka the husband and father) moved them all to ny where they were murdered. i think the killer was a NY native but possibly was in a different state for an unknown reason, it goes with the hunting theory as well that he couldve been in the water going towards the warmer climate for his hunting in the bays/rivers as stated in the show. i believe there were 2 killers competing against each other which would also support the “hunting club” theory because hunters like to compete who can kill the most but instead of animals maybe they go for humans. i think that by them choosing sex workers is only because of the mere fact of they’re harder to report missing but if it was as hard to report anyone missing it might not be sex workers being targeted. im very intuitive and i have a very strong psychic sense, always have, and i am so attached to the doctor having a big part in this. im still deciding on if i think he mightve just been guilty because he gave her too many drugs and knew it could come back on him now that shes dead and he’s associated with a killer or if he actually could be the killer himself. im also kind of on the fence of if shan was even a part of lisks victims or if it was just a coincidence that uncovered so much truth that we all just put it to a connection. i live 45 mins from atlantic city and i recognized some of the scenes from the show where some of the motels were and felt so eerie just knowing ive been around there and thinking what if there are more victims that havent been found. im curious to see what people think of my theories!

What if the women and child are Hispanic and and maybe the guy is not Asian maybe the police guessed since they really didn't care to investigate there is not much info other then the jewelry and your right maybe he dressed the man after he killed him .

 

[Mindyny1]

what does everyone think about the asian male theories? i was convinced on it being mo zhang (still sort of am) until i stumbled upon this Is this the Asian male? [source Dorothy Price Hill] : LISKiller

as well as the tirrel santiago theory so now im unsure, even if it was mo zhang maybe he wasnt cross dressing but a witness that maybe happened to be around during the dumping of a body and in rage was beaten to death, same with the mother and toddler possibly? im not a sex worker myself but i do know that theres someone i personally know who lives in a motel with her 3 kids and if she cant find a babysitter she brings her children along because she’s desperate for money so i dont want to rule out the mother and toddler not being there for trafficking reasons but something about it makes me believe that they were the wife and child of one of the serial killers and thats why they weren’t identified or looked for more thoroughly. another question i have is why they were the only african americans of the victims that were found? was it just random? maybe they werent part of these trafficking murders but just dumped in a similar location? the fact the jewelry wasnt stolen could potentially indicate that he felt it would be wrong to take it off of them for personal reasons, granted i am fully aware its more likely and it could also mean the intent wasnt robbery but a killing fantasy, yet i have a hard time letting go of the jewelry part, did the other victims have any jewelry left on them? sometimes its also a cultural thing, i know in indian culture they are all given bangles to represent marriage, other cultures are given bracelets as a representation of your friendship or relationship to someone, was the killer hinting us more than we know? has that ever been questioned? they could’ve possibly been from another state originally and the killer (aka the husband and father) moved them all to ny where they were murdered. i think the killer was a NY native but possibly was in a different state for an unknown reason, it goes with the hunting theory as well that he couldve been in the water going towards the warmer climate for his hunting in the bays/rivers as stated in the show. i believe there were 2 killers competing against each other which would also support the “hunting club” theory because hunters like to compete who can kill the most but instead of animals maybe they go for humans. i think that by them choosing sex workers is only because of the mere fact of they’re harder to report missing but if it was as hard to report anyone missing it might not be sex workers being targeted. im very intuitive and i have a very strong psychic sense, always have, and i am so attached to the doctor having a big part in this. im still deciding on if i think he mightve just been guilty because he gave her too many drugs and knew it could come back on him now that shes dead and he’s associated with a killer or if he actually could be the killer himself. im also kind of on the fence of if shan was even a part of lisks victims or if it was just a coincidence that uncovered so much truth that we all just put it to a connection. i live 45 mins from atlantic city and i recognized some of the scenes from the show where some of the motels were and felt so eerie just knowing ive been around there and thinking what if there are more victims that havent been found. im curious to see what people think of my theories!

The women and child could be Hispanic .Hispanic people has african american in there

100%! That beach area is a long stretch of deserted land for 9 months a year. It’s really the ideal burial ground. Those other bodies would never have been found if it wasn’t for shannans 911 call.

Have they checked the other beaches on the island?

 

[Mindyny1]

There was no COD on the toddler

The jewelry looks like the jewelry that was sold alot during the 90s at flea markets and in ny city

 

[SQ2]

At the time of these murders there were a handful of escort agencies in the yellow pages for Long Island, Queens, NY. Not a whole lot really. The owners all knew of each other. The higher end ones really didn’t associate with the lower end ones. When a “John/client” called usually the phone person would call 411 to verify the name and address and ring the client back. When Craig’s List started a lot of these girls did there own adds using the same lessons learned or something similar. If the phone records were more easily attainable or if they even still exist it would really have been helpful. Especially from any of the suspects. Let’s take the driver....the way this works is you can be an escort for an agency and “they” give you a driver to take you, almost 100% of the time the driver waits for you. Shannon was in the middle of nowhere he wouldn’t have gone anywhere, he would have waited in his car. She also didn’t just hire a driver, that comes from using a type of agency no matter if it’s LI, Queens etc. Where was he? He saw something. The rule is you call in every hour to your driver especially to confirm they are keeping you longer and had paid you. It’s interesting there isn’t more detail about his questioning. How many girls had that agency sent out to that “John/client” before? And or to a certain area? What usually happens is if you see a client thru an agency then they always try to see you outside the agency for cheaper and for longer. The mentioning of a brothel in Queens? Sometimes girls would work in a brothel by choice all day or all night. They could have an add on Craig’s list too. They did not usually send girls on out call. She most likely knew and confided in him that’s where she worked sometime or at some point and that she was safe there among other girls. I highly doubt he met her there. LSK around 1999/2000 was in his 40’s, white, educated/ middle class, deep voice speaks and asks questions calmly. He is sadistic, a piece of garbage, he is also cheap. “The dirtier the better” does it for him. I believe he was in touch with a friend of mine back then. “It’s that feeling inside that speaks to you that you have to trust, telling you someone is really bad.” I think he may read these things......we’re coming for you.

 

[SQ2]

Very insightful information. It's such a tiny community that I think that Dr. is involved. It's a gated community, you can't just wonder in.

 

[jadehoney27]

The answer will be in the 23 minute 911 call by Shannon Gilbert. She ran just like the others did. Follow her path and reasoning for why she mired deeper into the brush, versus going along the streets. I’m convinced there were a group of people who hired these ladies “to run” to be “chased” into that terrain. When she got too far away, they strangled her and left her where she was found. She was chased. Then she was killed. Seems like a hunting club, rich powerful men who got off on the chase of women through the woods.... like wolves

wow. interesting analgy. i havent heard of this example used for lisk or shannon. but it makes a lot of sense. imagine if they had searched the drs backyard .....

 

[jadehoney27]

I am sure I am not alone with this theory but I believe Long Island was likely a dumping ground for more than one killer in a similar way the Texas Killing Fields were. I think it was likely though a dumping ground for at least one Serial Killer the Long Island Killer and that he was likely to be the offender in some of the earlier cases and may even be dormant now:

Number of serial killers out there as elusive as killers themselves

yes i completely understand. from what i know there is a butcher in the next city the whole torso killer which is possibly linked to the asian male in lisk territory.

 

[GoBuckeyes]

yes i completely understand. from what i know there is a butcher in the next city the whole torso killer which is possibly linked to the asian male in lisk territory.

I am in the other camp. MOO, I believe it's the work of one person. It's my understanding that the bodies were dismembered. It would be unusual to have multiple serial killers with the same MO picking a narrow stretch of road and land on which to bury their victims. Again, MOO. But when you compare the geography of LI to the vastness of upstate NY, it seems only someone very local would select LI as a dumping grounds.

Regardless, I hope he or they are caught soon!