Sorting Fact from Fiction

[SleuthMom]

Rino, when they are talking about "tea" they are actually referring to "dinner"

I was just going to say that! A friend of mine told me about it years ago, she always used to talk about having tea at 5:00 and she was talking about dinner.

 

[Pinkhammer]

Rino, Clarence Mitchell, who is running the McCanns' newest campaign, brags about his Portugal connections. He has operatives hard at work in Luz. Waiters don't make much money. How hard would it be to bribe a waiter to put out favorable PR about Kate and Gerry?

 

[Texana]

Rino, Clarence Mitchell, who is running the McCanns' newest campaign, brags about his Portugal connections. He has operatives hard at work in Luz. Waiters don't make much money. How hard would it be to bribe a waiter to put out favorable PR about Kate and Gerry?

Good point!

 

[docwho3]

Here is another strange twilightzone twist to this case:
". . . The body of a missing five-year-old girl whose abduction was linked by police to the disappearance of Madeleine McCann has been discovered in a forest in Switzerland. . ."

". . . It was uncovered by a passer-by between Oberbren and Niederwil on Saturday. It had apparently been dug up by wild animals. Von Aesch is thought to have shot a man who challenged him shortly after he buried the body, then turned the gun on himself. Police later discovered he had been on holiday in the Algarve when Madeleine disappeared in May. . ."
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/19495/Body-of-girl-5-found
Note: I added the bolding in the quote.
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". . .A white van with Spanish number plates matching the description of Von Aesch's was seen parked for several days in front of the McCann's apartment. The van was not seen again after Madeleine disappeared. . ."

This about the white van is a new fact I had not heard before in the Madeleine case!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urs_Hans_Von_Aesch

Both girls were blond haired!
http://is.blick.ch/img/gen/g/P/HBgPH5PA_Pxgen_r_180xA.jpg

pic from this article:
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=http://www.blick.ch/news/schweiz/artikel68560&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=5&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3DUrs%2BHans%2BVon%2BAesch%26num%3D20%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff

The alleged killer of the 5 years old little blond girl looks like:
http://www.droitfondamental.eu/06-Ylena_urs_hans_von_aesch-2.png
I wonder how close is that description to the person seen in the mccann case.

Note: The above original links to the online articles (but not the comments or excerpts) were posted first by colomom and so colomom deserves the credit for the finds. Thanks.
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". . .The parents of Madeleine McCann have been told that police have no immediate plans to summon them for a fresh interview.
Gerry and Kate McCann were also informed by a prosecutor in Portugal that detectives could be following "other lines of inquiry" apart from them. . ."
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/pressass/20070919/tuk-mccanns-will-not-face-re-interview-6323e80_1.html
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Sat Sep 15/2007
". . . Police believe Von Aesch committed suicide, after shooting another man, who survived. . ."

". . .Swiss authorities have also been in touch with police investigating the case of Briton four-year-old Madeleine McCann, who disappeared in May while on holiday with her family in a Portuguese resort . . ."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070915/ts_nm/swiss_missing_dc

Since this Von Aesch man lived in spain awhile I wonder if this might be partly why the mccanns were mentioning they think Madeleine is in spain?
Also I see this bit - probably what you have already seen:

". . . Witnesses have said a man matching Von Aesch’s description had been seen watching the little girl’s home and movements for at least 10 days. . ."

"Detectives in Portugal are working on the theory Madeleine’s abductors could have been spying on the family for several days, observing their daily routine. . ."

". . . .Madeleine’s parents have admitted they left their children alone every night for a week before their daughter was snatched.

Yesterday the Daily Express told how detectives believe Madeleine’s kidnapper was working with an accomplice.
Police have been covertly tailing and videoing the suspect who is believed to match the description of a man seen carrying a child wrapped in a blanket shortly after Madeleine disappeared . . ."
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/15806/Madeleine-lookalike-snatched-by-pervert

 

[Rino]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Just Jules
Rino, when they are talking about "tea" they are actually referring to "dinner"

Thanks. I had too much tea last night :crazy:

Rino, Clarence Mitchell, who is running the McCanns' newest campaign, brags about his Portugal connections. He has operatives hard at work in Luz. Waiters don't make much money. How hard would it be to bribe a waiter to put out favorable PR about Kate and Gerry?

Thats what I was thinking as well.

 

[april4sky]

Hopefully this might clear up some of the confusion we have regarding fact or fiction.
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Missing Madeleine: Special Programme

http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/...285050,00.html

Sky News is to air a special half-hour programme on Sunday, September 30, on the search for missing Madeleine McCann.

Crime correspondent Martin Brunt will try to separate fact from fiction as he looks into the police investigation, the many theories and where the inquiry will go from here.

"We hope to unravel some of the speculation and theories behind the case during the half-hour special programme and separate fact from fiction."

A web version of the programme will be available on Sky News Online on the same day.

 

[poco]

SO my thought is, they left all their children unattended FOR A REASON!
Is there anyone here at WS that think's they didn't hire a nanny or babysitter because they couldn't afford one ????????????

Somehow or other, it was planned that little Maddie would be taken and it was planned in advance. I'm patiently waiting to see which one of the parent's will breakdown.

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mama
:blowkiss: :blowkiss:

HI LM - As I'm reading throught all these threads/posts, this exact thought came to my mind. :waitasec:

 

[armywife210]

I am so frustrated with this case. In most cases there are atleast SOME cold hard facts to start with. With this one, we have none really. Am I wrong? Are there SOME cold hard facts? Am I missing them as I search? So many things don't make sense about the whole thing.
Maybe it's because I don't know how things work in different countries, I don't know. But if I take my kids on a family vacation, even with other families, my girls will be with me and we will all be having fun. I don't understand why you would bring your kids on a vacation only to put them in a daycare!?! Are they just there for eye candy? If you want to go on an adult vacation, then do it! Leave the kids at home with trusted adults.
I also don't understand why the kids were alone. Even if it was in a totally safe environment, what was to stop a medical emergency from taking place? A fire, or one of the children rolling off the bed, hitting their head, and going into convulsions, maybe one of them would be choking on something... these things happen in Portugal too, not just America! So I am confused about that.
I even read somewhere that the parents were possibly involved in some sort of orgy ring thing? What???

 

[philamena]

Hi armywife210.
I hate to say it but the easiest way to learn about this case is to go back through the threads for a few days and read all the threads that you can on the WS McCann forum.There are 2 threads, that I can think of, lol, that are for listing facts and rumors which seems to be what you are looking for.

 

[colomom]

I am so frustrated with this case. In most cases there are atleast SOME cold hard facts to start with. With this one, we have none really. Am I wrong? Are there SOME cold hard facts? Am I missing them as I search? So many things don't make sense about the whole thing.
Maybe it's because I don't know how things work in different countries, I don't know. But if I take my kids on a family vacation, even with other families, my girls will be with me and we will all be having fun. I don't understand why you would bring your kids on a vacation only to put them in a daycare!?! Are they just there for eye candy? If you want to go on an adult vacation, then do it! Leave the kids at home with trusted adults.
I also don't understand why the kids were alone. Even if it was in a totally safe environment, what was to stop a medical emergency from taking place? A fire, or one of the children rolling off the bed, hitting their head, and going into convulsions, maybe one of them would be choking on something... these things happen in Portugal too, not just America! So I am confused about that.
I even read somewhere that the parents were possibly involved in some sort of orgy ring thing? What???

There is a thread called "Sorting Fact from Fiction" that is also addressing the cold, hard fact questions...check it out!

Your not alone in your questions, alot of this case is about "why? why? why?"

 

[ThoughtFox]

armywife: I understand your frustration. I came in late to this case because I never thought the parents had anything to do with it until lately. But I didn't know alot of the facts.

It took me about a week to catch up, so just keep clicking the news stories and read the threads. You'll soon understand some of the contradictions.

None of us knows the "truth," but you can make some educated guesses.

 

[docwho3]

Can anyone point me to a news article or mccann parents blog entry that says Madeleine was sleeping in the middle between the twins and if so what bed they were in?

I have seen this pic which is supposed to be showing the beds in question and it confuses me a bit because I have seen posts in some forums stating that Madeleine was "sleeping in the middle" between the twins.
http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/09_03/mccanngraphicES2009_800x622.jpg

Using a search engine I looked for the phrase "Madeleine mccann" and "sleeping in the middle" but found no news article that said Madeleine was sleeping in themiddle between the twins. Maybe the search engine was having an off day or maybe it was not phrased exactly that way in any news articles.

 

[STEADFAST]

Can anyone point me to a news article or mccann parents blog entry that says Madeleine was sleeping in the middle between the twins and if so what bed they were in?

I have seen this pic which is supposed to be showing the beds in question and it confuses me a bit because I have seen posts in some forums stating that Madeleine was "sleeping in the middle" between the twins.
http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/09_03/mccanngraphicES2009_800x622.jpg

Using a search engine I looked for the phrase "Madeleine mccann" and "sleeping in the middle" but found no news article that said Madeleine was sleeping in themiddle between the twins. Maybe the search engine was having an off day or maybe it was not phrased exactly that way in any news articles.

Here's a Daily Telegraph story from May 5:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/05/05/nmadel05.xml

The other children, two-year-old twins Amelie and Shaun, were still asleep in their cots. Mrs McCann broke down screaming. An immediate search was launched, but the abductor is believed to have escaped through the complex’s main entrance.

And here's a Daily Telegraph story from May 6:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/05/06/nmaddy106.xml

She vanished between 9pm and 10pm on Thursday night from her room at a holiday complex in Praia da Luz, a fishing village on the Algarve, as she slept between her twin brother and sister, aged two.

At least that narrows the time down on where to search for the original report that Madeleine was sleeping between the twins.

 

[docwho3]

Thank you very much for the info. I think the first of the two news articles is more accurate according to the image we now have that details the positions of the beds (if it is correct.) The first article mentions:
". . . The other children, two-year-old twins Amelie and Shaun, were still asleep in their cots. . .", and that squares with the image that shows separate beds for each of the children with Madeleine's being nearest the door.
http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/09_03/mccanngraphicES2009_800x622.jpg

Being nearest the door, as much as any other factor, might explain why Madeleine was grabbed (if she was in fact grabbed.)

Here's a Daily Telegraph story from May 5:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/05/05/nmadel05.xml

The other children, two-year-old twins Amelie and Shaun, were still asleep in their cots. Mrs McCann broke down screaming. An immediate search was launched, but the abductor is believed to have escaped through the complex’s main entrance.

And here's a Daily Telegraph story from May 6:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/05/06/nmaddy106.xml

She vanished between 9pm and 10pm on Thursday night from her room at a holiday complex in Praia da Luz, a fishing village on the Algarve, as she slept between her twin brother and sister, aged two.

At least that narrows the time down on where to search for the original report that Madeleine was sleeping between the twins.