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OH and PS-did ABC buy the material and the rights? Because yesterdays hearing led us to believe the well was dry right? So now the only people making money off of Caylees photo will be the network, correct?

Otherwise, the dream team is in BIG BIG trouble...because we know all of that stuff will be re-run the closer we get to trial. So more licensing fees will be paid.
 
On the other hand, if the Mother is innocent, it would be justice for Caylee to help with her Mothers defense. We really don't know the whole truth here. This is putting the cart before the horse. IMO

If Casey were innocent, the best defense for her--and therefore the best use of any funds received--would have been to FIND THE REAL KIDNAPPER(S)/KILLER(S). Not to hire an incompetent fool to defend Casey.

Perhaps they could have used the money for a reward, or to hire a real PI--one with experience and a track record of success. But obviously Casey would have to have given this real PI some real information--like names of real people, with their real addresses and telephone numbers.
 
If KC were not able to get out on bond, would she still have been able to get those pictures to ABC? KC had to be out of jail when the deal went through otherwise it clearly would have looked like JB did, in fact, broker the deal. JMO
 
If Casey were innocent, the best defense for her--and therefore the best use of any funds received--would have been to FIND THE REAL KIDNAPPER(S)/KILLER(S). Not to hire an incompetent fool to defend Casey.

Perhaps they could have used the money for a reward, or to hire a real PI--one with experience and a track record of success. But obviously Casey would have to have given this real PI some real information--like names of real people, with their real addresses and telephone numbers.

You would think, wouldn't you. Or, she would have told them to get the he!! out of her house, pretty much as she did to LP. I think at that point LP's usefulness for her was done. JMO
 
She most certainly has made a profit. She profitted a dream team of attorneys and a defense that MOST indigent persons never see. SHE profitted the entire amount. The money is for HER defense. I see no clearer profit than that.


And the lawyer fees weren't free. SOME of them were, but Mr. Baez paid himself 89 thou and change, and he stated, under oath, that was HIS fee, and how he could not take other cases, and blah blah blah.

The real issue of THIS thread is if she murdered and then sold her image to pay for her defense, and how can this be legal in this great nation in which we live. George and Cindy we can certainly discuss in a thread appropriate to that subject.

And personally, and this is just me, I do not feel entertained in the least by this tragic event nor in the commercialization of that tragedy, epsecially for the profit of the very one who likely took the life of her child. The news should not BE entertainment. They should report the news, and sell advertising to pay for it. Period.

Nope, news should not be entertainment. But it is.

Last time I checked, her "dream team' isn't that hot. My personal opinion is that she has been 'had'. She hasn't gotten anything 'better' then if she just went with a public defender in the first place. Might have gotten better with a public defender, to be honest. A public defender would at least be qualified for the job.

I'm not defending JB, but it sounded like he was trying to say he didn't charge for his personal fee (time), but for the expenses. Which would include staff time.

And YES, the owner of the firm would make some money off of billable staff hrs. And example is if you stop in a law office and ask them to notarize something. They will charge you for that 'service' that one of the staff preformed. But that person don't get that money. That goes to the firm. The person just gets their regular salary.

I don't trust what he said. He has shown before that he has the Anthony attitude. That he doesn't expect folks to check his story out. That he expects folks to just believe him, trust him. Snort! I can not wait to hear about what the accounting report says. I hope it's noted that AL had to buy her own copys from the clerk, instead of JB's staff making a quick (and cheaper copy) for AL. That is a WASTE of money.

Profit would be what KC has after she pays all the bills dealing with this case. There will be no profit. She will not get to go on a cruise. Stay in a grand hotel. JB is the one who gets to do that. OH, and the grand parents.
 
You know what really bothers me about the selling of these photos? That they didn't even care how the photos would be used, that the photos could be used during stories about KC's guilt, the photos could be used to report on news articles that point to KC negatively. The A's and KC did not care about that, they just wanted the money for what? If there was not DP case yet, then what did they need the money for?

Then on top of that they were so angry at the photos released of KC partying it up - the photos of KC bothered them so much and they were angry at her friends for releasing them and they were irrate, but not so of images of their granddaughter being printed and shown all over the place.

Why didn't they sell their house to pay for KC's defense? Why did they sell images of a dead child?

It is really bizarre that the A's and KC complained about the media and yet they were making money off of the exclusive sale of photos to a media outlet.

To say that this family has no morals is to say the least about them.

I am purely disgusted. IMHO
 
It's been a very long time now, but there was discussion about Casey showing up at JB's office when out on bail with a backpack full of what we surmised were photos, but probably could have been all her computer images as well. She would spend hours at the office. My take on that was that they were getting these deals lined up then. Right from the get go they knew there was big $$ to b made off of Caylee's images, videos etc. As did Cindy, and there was this big fight about Casey taking that stuff from the house at the time.
I'm really bad about going back and finding old posts, but all of that is here somewhere.
 
Why did ABC News wait two years to admit its $200,000 payment to Casey Anthony?
March 19, 2010

'Snip" http://blogs.tampabay.com/media/201...ose-its-200000-payments-to-casey-anthony.html

Let us allow that ABC News actually paid $200,000 just to get family photos and old home movies from accused murderer Casey Anthony. Let's also accept the ludicrous notion that this money was not part of an attempt to influence Anthony into sitting for an interview.

None of this answers the most troubling question: Why didn't ABC News disclose this payment publicly until the judge forced Anthony's attorney to fees up in open court Thursday?

I'm betting its because they knew how it would look -- a major news organization handing thousands of dollars to a woman police suspected of murdering her daughter. She wouldn't be officially indicted by a Grand Jury until about two months after ABC cut the check in 2008. But if the payment was ethical and above board, ABC at least had a duty to disclose it.

In Anthony's case, ABC News had the answer to a question: How does a woman who was unemployed for a year before her arrest pay a "dream team" of defense attorneys? But viewers never learned that information from ABC News, because it was already ethically compromised.

The fact is, news outlets will keep finding ways to pay sources for access -- and lie about it -- unless they are made to pay a price.

Help me out here. Not trying to be snarky. Just want to know where your coming from on this. Why would Abc news disclose their own trade secrets? or any other network for that matter? Is it against the law for Kc to sell her family photos to ABC? Or anyone else for that matter? Is it against the law for ABC to buy Kc family pictures? What is wrong with Jb helping Kc make this transaction to help pay for her defense? Is that somehow against the law? These are laws that I have not heard of.

I see nothing wrong with it. If someone wants to give me 200 thousand dollars for my family photos right now, I will sell them in a New York minute.

I just don't get it. I don't see anything unethical or illegal here at all. Just a defense trying to raise money to support their belief. IMO
 
Help me out here. Not trying to be snarky. Just want to know where your coming from on this. Why would Abc news disclose their own trade secrets? or any other network for that matter? Is it against the law for Kc to sell her family photos to ABC? Or anyone else for that matter? Is it against the law for ABC to buy Kc family pictures? What is wrong with Jb helping Kc make this transaction to help pay for her defense? Is that somehow against the law? These are laws that I have not heard of.

I see nothing wrong with it. If someone wants to give me 200 thousand dollars for my family photos right now, I will sell them in a New York minute.

I just don't get it. I don't see anything unethical or illegal here at all. Just a defense trying to raise money to support their belief. IMO


Sorry, I didn't write the article. I just posted what was written. I have no idea what they are trying to say. I have no legal background what so ever sorry..
 
As an addendum to previous post, Baez can deny financial gain from Caylee images, videos etc, until the cow come home, but remember, Legal ease, slease language, he could answer in such a way that he can " legally deny" what they are asking exactly. That they counted on the money from the thousands of photos & videos, to support the defense, in my estimation is a given. It is just a matter of how & where these $$'s were hidden. The only thing that likely may have happened if the well ran dry, is that they messed up on contractual agreements, as mentioned on other boards, and became SOL
 
Since JB stated yesterday in court and under oath that kc brokered the deal, can anything happen to him now that ABC is saying he was part of the deal making? Plus, awhile back when the "conflict of interest" stuff was going on, didn't he testify to JS that there was no deal making going on and no money being profited?
 
Help me out here. Not trying to be snarky. Just want to know where your coming from on this. Why would Abc news disclose their own trade secrets? or any other network for that matter? Is it against the law for Kc to sell her family photos to ABC? Or anyone else for that matter? Is it against the law for ABC to buy Kc family pictures? What is wrong with Jb helping Kc make this transaction to help pay for her defense? Is that somehow against the law? These are laws that I have not heard of.

I see nothing wrong with it. If someone wants to give me 200 thousand dollars for my family photos right now, I will sell them in a New York minute.

I just don't get it. I don't see anything unethical or illegal here at all. Just a defense trying to raise money to support their belief. IMO

NTS....hopefully this will explain it a little. There is a term used by journalists and media...."checkbook journalism". It refers to media paying people to tell a story. While there are some limitations (depending on State) to what is an acceptable fee, it is not so much a matter of legality but of ethics. Now the ethical issue is not my term...it is the concern of all media. Concerns are raised by independent organizations that demand a level playing field in News reporting.

Here is a snip to illustrate my statement.....
The Society of Professional Journalists is scolding NBC News for buying its "exclusive" interview with David Goldman—the father of that Brazilian kid—by chartering a jet to fly father, son, and NBC reporter back to the U.S. Shocking, indeed. http://gawker.com/5436360/checkbook-journalism-a-users-guide

Media, journalists, networks, etc.... publicly oppose "paying for a story, or an interview, or an exclusive". It is considered by their own, to be unethical. However, efforts to get the "story" or the "exclusive" or the "first right of refusal" often require an incentive.

It has become a common practice for media to pay licensing fees" for photos / videos and other tangible supporting documentation used in reporting the story. That way, they can show that the money paid was for a legitimate purpose and not for the story itself.

Now........the issue with photo and image licensing in and of itself should be a non-issue. A photographer licenses his photos to others for use in print and video. A company can't just google an image and use it in their ad......they have to pay for it. There are fees that are high based upon use, there are fees that are small.....but photo licensing is a common practice.

As an example .....a photo that I take (while good, not professional grade) will only be marketable if connected to an extraordinary event. A photo by a professional photographer will garner MUCH more in terms of fees because it is....professional.

There is a huge discrepancy in what media is paying for photos under the guise of "licensing" when that same photo uploaded to Corbis (as an example) would fetch FAR less.

My point is......the licensing fees themselves are not really the issue IMO.
The real issue is the media's willingness to pay far above market value for a photo that ordinarily would garner little or no $ if sold independently.

The licensing fees have become, in essence, the cover for checkbook journalism......I do not hold ABC in this case any more liable than NBC in the Goldman case. BUT....IMO both are demonstrating the same thing.

Does that make sense???

Now....the fact that JB brokered the deal IS an issue because by virtue of HIM brokering the money......he has no incentive to work beyond the point where the money runs out. THAT does NOT serve his client's best interests. You are very supportive of her best interests from your posts. His actions do not demonstrate his support to anything more than the paycheck.
 
Help me out here. Not trying to be snarky. Just want to know where your coming from on this. Why would Abc news disclose their own trade secrets? or any other network for that matter? Is it against the law for Kc to sell her family photos to ABC? Or anyone else for that matter? Is it against the law for ABC to buy Kc family pictures? What is wrong with Jb helping Kc make this transaction to help pay for her defense? Is that somehow against the law? These are laws that I have not heard of.

I see nothing wrong with it. If someone wants to give me 200 thousand dollars for my family photos right now, I will sell them in a New York minute.

I just don't get it. I don't see anything unethical or illegal here at all. Just a defense trying to raise money to support their belief. IMO

I think it is because if JB brokered a deal for KC as is reported by an ABC representative, JB has a conflict of interest. A BIG ONE. So it is not against the law for KC to sell her pictures but if her lawyer made the deal (and she was in jail at the time) big no, no. Raising the money for her defense should be her parent's job...they should have made the deal with ABC, not JB. So did KC not trust her parents or would her parents have said no? And what upsets most parents here is the fact that you just would not sell your child's photos when you do not know if they are alive and dead unless, of course, the photos were no longer of use to you. Most parents of missing children volunteer a picture or two to help with their return, not all their pictures. JMO
 
Help me out here. Not trying to be snarky. Just want to know where your coming from on this. Why would Abc news disclose their own trade secrets? or any other network for that matter? Is it against the law for Kc to sell her family photos to ABC? Or anyone else for that matter? Is it against the law for ABC to buy Kc family pictures? What is wrong with Jb helping Kc make this transaction to help pay for her defense? Is that somehow against the law? These are laws that I have not heard of.

I see nothing wrong with it. If someone wants to give me 200 thousand dollars for my family photos right now, I will sell them in a New York minute.

I just don't get it. I don't see anything unethical or illegal here at all. Just a defense trying to raise money to support their belief. IMO

Maybe nothing legally wrong...but morally lots. if you don't see it that way, IMO, that's says a lot about you....
 
It's been a very long time now, but there was discussion about Casey showing up at JB's office when out on bail with a backpack full of what we surmised were photos, but probably could have been all her computer images as well. She would spend hours at the office. My take on that was that they were getting these deals lined up then. Right from the get go they knew there was big $$ to b made off of Caylee's images, videos etc. As did Cindy, and there was this big fight about Casey taking that stuff from the house at the time.
I'm really bad about going back and finding old posts, but all of that is here somewhere.

In CA's depo with the SA, CA was questioned about the photos KC took to JB. JB was objecting to the questions. The thing that bothered me more was that KC collected items for DNA from Caylee's room as well as CA's. If you are looking for a missing child why would you need CA's DNA? IMO JB knew BEFORE KC was out on bond that Caylee was dead. I wouldn't be surprised if he worked with LP to bond her out just to get the photos. He knew early on that the case would get publicity. A plea deal would have put an end to that. JMO
 
Help me out here. Not trying to be snarky. Just want to know where your coming from on this. Why would Abc news disclose their own trade secrets? or any other network for that matter? Is it against the law for Kc to sell her family photos to ABC? Or anyone else for that matter? Is it against the law for ABC to buy Kc family pictures? What is wrong with Jb helping Kc make this transaction to help pay for her defense? Is that somehow against the law? These are laws that I have not heard of.

I see nothing wrong with it. If someone wants to give me 200 thousand dollars for my family photos right now, I will sell them in a New York minute.

I just don't get it. I don't see anything unethical or illegal here at all. Just a defense trying to raise money to support their belief. IMO

NTS, I am not an expert on the Florida rules of ethics for attorneys, but I thought JB said at the hearing that he consulted an ethics attorney and was advised that it would be unethical for him to broker any such deals for Casey.

And RH, who is a Florida attorney and presumably has read the Fla. rules (unlike me) emphatically agreed.
 
This is such a sad thread to me.
I can see having one or two pictures out in the public for free to find a missing child. I for one haven't looked at all the photos of Caylee because it breaks my heart that she was a murdered child not a missing one and in my opinion her mother is the one who murdered Caylee. It's also not the photos I am interested in seeing anyway it is the info we have recieved through doc dumps that interests me. So shame on the seller's and shame on the buyer's.
KC was indigent even before she murdered her 2 year old baby. How do you sign a contract with any attonery to pay them when you have no money? As an attonery how do you know that your client has money to pay you when the client signs the contract? So I guess what I am trying to say is JB is the one who put KC up to this deal and she probably thought she would be rich when she was "free" to live her bella vita. This whole mess stinks to high heavens and not one person should have been payed one red cent for a photo of Caylee and one red cent should never have been offered for a photo of Caylee. Shame on the seller's and buyers.
In my perfect world Caylee would have never been born to such a mother in the first place but secondly if I had the power to throw the whole mess of the defense team out the window I would and KC would be represented by PD's and she would have found herself on DR or GP with life a year ago.
I feel very sorry for the tax payers of Florida.
Yeah if you can murder your child then you have no problem in profiting from the child you murdered. Shame on the whole lot of them.

Thank you for letting this babbling turn into a rant and I apologize to those of you who read it.
 
I m very anger over the fact that Casey could sit in Court and smile after knowing she killed her beautiful baby and then cause further indignity to her dead daughter by selling pictures to ABC !!!

OMG....she profited off her own baby girl she murdered to save her own arse from death !

Why isn't everyone else upset by this? ...Shame on ABC too!

I'll give Casey this much, she has good luck. Things seem to fall into place for her and Baez. I sure hope that luck runs out and she sits and faces her maker and not because of some accident but because somebody pulled the switch and knocked that ugly grin off her evil and selfish face:furious:

This stuff should be illegal !!!!
Charleyann

I basically agree with the outrage you feel about Casey's actions, Charleyann. She certainly appears cold hearted and a monster. But, I would not call her lucky. She's in jail facing murder charges with a death sentence hanging over her head. I hardly call that lucky.
I think Casey was at first quite surprised a media company would pay her for the use of her videos and photos or her daughter; The daughter she is accused of killing. However, I'm not excusing her for selling the images, but I can see where she saw this as a way to pay for a defense. Or, at least someone presented it that way to her.
She wasn't working, she didn't have any resources and certainly her parents were not able to step in and fund her legal needs. So, she went where the money was. This practice has irony written all over it.
As for ABC, this is a business for them. They made money off those photos and videos by leasing them to other media outlets, such as Nancy Grace's show and other news organizations covering this case. We all got to see those photos of little Caylee because of the deal with ABC.
I don't agree this practice should be illegal. Simply because it allows funds for a trial which is guaranteed by the Constitution of the U.S. That means all of us have that right.
While I too admit, this tatic stinks and appears so inapproperate, it does allow a way to fight for fair and equal justice. I believe Casey to be guilty of killing her little girl, but even she deserves to be able to defend herself. In fact, a fight to prove her innocence also allows for the prosecution to fight to prove her guilty. JMO
 
Updated March 19, 2010
ABC Is Guilty of Checkbook Journalism
By Dan Gainor - FOXNews.com
"Snip" http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010/03/19/dan-gainor-abc-news-casey-anthony-paid/

The revelation that ABC News paid Casey Anthony $200,000 demonstrates how rapidly the media landscape is changing.
The term checkbook journalism has always referred to sleazy outfits so desperate to put some scandal in front of the public that they paid to get the story. That accusation now lands squarely on the desk of ABC News and the network is denying it lamely.

Baez, testified in court on Thursday that his client had been paid $200,000 by ABC, but that money was now gone.

ABC denies using checkbook journalism, but according to a FoxNews.com report the network "released a statement confirming it paid for licensed exclusive rights to an extensive library of photos and home video, but that no use of the material was tied to any interview."

Not that it matters. ABC is still admitting it paid $200,000 that aided the defense of a woman accused of murdering her 2-year-old daughter. All that to get exclusive photos and video -- an appalling step into ghoulish, tabloid journalism for a major news network. The network has done at least 30 separate stories on the murder case since 2008.

Of particular note are the images of the Casey Anthony the defendant and her now-deceased child Caylee Anthony.

On Sept. 5, 2008, ABC released "Never-Before-Seen Images of Casey Anthony and Missing Florida Toddler." The images included photos and video showing a seemingly happy family.

More at link!
 
Seriously - we need our legal eagles to weigh in...if JB did (and looks like he in fact "did") broker deals for KC and others, isn't that a HUGE, HUGE conflict of interest? I mean, no wonder he didn't want her to plea, the longer the case drags on, the more media interest, the more money there is to be made. I think this would be highly illegal.

NTS....hopefully this will explain it a little. There is a term used by journalists and media...."checkbook journalism". It refers to media paying people to tell a story. While there are some limitations (depending on State) to what is an acceptable fee, it is not so much a matter of legality but of ethics. Now the ethical issue is not my term...it is the concern of all media. Concerns are raised by independent organizations that demand a level playing field in News reporting.

Here is a snip to illustrate my statement.....
The Society of Professional Journalists is scolding NBC News for buying its "exclusive" interview with David Goldman—the father of that Brazilian kid—by chartering a jet to fly father, son, and NBC reporter back to the U.S. Shocking, indeed. http://gawker.com/5436360/checkbook-journalism-a-users-guide

Media, journalists, networks, etc.... publicly oppose "paying for a story, or an interview, or an exclusive". It is considered by their own, to be unethical. However, efforts to get the "story" or the "exclusive" or the "first right of refusal" often require an incentive.

It has become a common practice for media to pay licensing fees" for photos / videos and other tangible supporting documentation used in reporting the story. That way, they can show that the money paid was for a legitimate purpose and not for the story itself.

Now........the issue with photo and image licensing in and of itself should be a non-issue. A photographer licenses his photos to others for use in print and video. A company can't just google an image and use it in their ad......they have to pay for it. There are fees that are high based upon use, there are fees that are small.....but photo licensing is a common practice.

As an example .....a photo that I take (while good, not professional grade) will only be marketable if connected to an extraordinary event. A photo by a professional photographer will garner MUCH more in terms of fees because it is....professional.

There is a huge discrepancy in what media is paying for photos under the guise of "licensing" when that same photo uploaded to Corbis (as an example) would fetch FAR less.

My point is......the licensing fees themselves are not really the issue IMO.
The real issue is the media's willingness to pay far above market value for a photo that ordinarily would garner little or no $ if sold independently.

The licensing fees have become, in essence, the cover for checkbook journalism......I do not hold ABC in this case any more liable than NBC in the Goldman case. BUT....IMO both are demonstrating the same thing.

Does that make sense???

Now....the fact that JB brokered the deal IS an issue because by virtue of HIM brokering the money......he has no incentive to work beyond the point where the money runs out. THAT does NOT serve his client's best interests. You are very supportive of her best interests from your posts. His actions do not demonstrate his support to anything more than the paycheck.

Wow, an article was just written regarding this. Thank you so much for the info! Your another smart WB cookie!:blowkiss:

March 19, 2010
ABC Is Guilty of Checkbook Journalism
By Dan Gainor - FOXNews.com
"Snip" http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010/...-anthony-paid/


ABCNews.com explained, "Intimate, never-before-seen pictures and home videos of the girl and her young mother offer a rare window into Caylee's life." And possibly a rare window into the news practices at ABC.

ABC's undisclosed purchase of those images would appear to violate up to seven separate categories of the Society of Professional Journalists Code of Ethics. Those violations include one to "Show good taste. Avoid pandering to lurid curiosity" and another to "avoid bidding for news." The network could be criticized especially for failing to disclose the financial relationship while its staff raised questions about people bailing out the defendant.

Already, the Poynter Institute is saying ABC's failure to disclose its relationship with the defendant "presents a clear ethical conflict."
 
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