South Africa - Martin, 55, Theresa, 54, Rudi van Breda, 22, murdered, 26 Jan 2015 #1

[PrimeSuspect]

EWN Reporter‏Verified account @ewnreporter 4m4 minutes ago

B: Were the paramedics up there [where the bodies were] without you accompanying them? K says no he accompanied 2 medics upstairs.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

Anthony Molyneaux‏ @AJGMolyneaux 3m3 minutes ago

Kleynhans states that he needed to take photos with his phone as the paramedics would attempt to save Mareli & disturb the scene.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

EWN Reporter‏Verified account @ewnreporter 2m2 minutes ago

Botha says at the stage when Kleynhans was busy taking pics of scene, did no one else check whether anyone else was alive? MM

Kleynhans says he doesn't know. MM

 

[PrimeSuspect]

EWN Reporter‏Verified account @ewnreporter 31s31 seconds ago

B: your testimony of the blood you saw...was there nowhere else any other blood or did you just not see any other blood? MM

Anthony Molyneaux‏ @AJGMolyneaux 18s18 seconds ago @TimesLIVE

Botha drilling Kleynhans during the #vanbreda cross examination.

 

[JudgeJudi]

Paramedics arrived to assist Marli. Kleynhans said he didn't know there were two other bodies in the bedroom.

Kleynhans took photos before two paramedics were allowed to assist Marli. Kleynhans accompanied paramedics. They saw the teenager was still alive.

Kleynhans says paramedic told him he won't disturb the scene until I had taken photos, which he did.

Kleynhans took photos of scene - Marli and her mother laying on the landing. He moved back to the bedroom doorway to take the photos, where he discovered Rudi and Martin's bodies.

http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/N...t-for-murder-accused-henri-van-breda-20170502

 

[PrimeSuspect]

EWN Reporter‏Verified account @ewnreporter 3m

B: "besides the blood on the wall (where axe hit) on the axe & where the bodies were lying...did you see no other blood?" MM

K: "The possibility is there that there could've been other blood that I didn't see." MM

 

[Gecko100]

Seriously, what intruder is going to leave a wallet filled with cash behind. Talk about making mountains out of molehills.

That's what makes it so farcical, 2/3 people wearing balaclavas and gloves go to this house and kill the owners for no reason. Why the gloves and balaclavas, there was no point wearing them if they were not stealing anything, why kill the people? Why even break into the house when you take nothing? I know he is building a defence, but it's illogical from the outset as they often are, but I guess they only have to show reasonable doubt.
This guy actually gives me the creeps I bet he could manipulate anyone. Not his mum and dad though. Why in such a huge house did the boys share a room, was one meant to look after the other?

 

[JudgeJudi]

That's what makes it so farcical, 2/3 people wearing balaclavas and gloves go to this house and kill the owners for no reason. Why the gloves and balaclavas, there was no point wearing them if they were not stealing anything, why kill the people? Why even break into the house when you take nothing? I know he is building a defence, but it's illogical from the outset as they often are, but I guess they only have to show reasonable doubt.
This guy actually gives me the creeps I bet he could manipulate anyone. Not his mum and dad though.

Go back a few pages before the trial starts and see my list of questions.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

That's what makes it so farcical, 2/3 people wearing balaclavas and gloves go to this house and kill the owners for no reason. Why the gloves and balaclavas, there was no point wearing them if they were not stealing anything, why kill the people? Why even break into the house when you take nothing? I know he is building a defence, but it's illogical from the outset as they often are, but I guess they only have to show reasonable doubt.
This guy actually gives me the creeps I bet he could manipulate anyone. Not his mum and dad though.

Exactly, and conveniently HvB was in the en suite bathroom of the room he shared with Rudi, the light would be on, but the intruder didn't notice/care and attacked Rudi while he slept.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

Anthony Molyneaux‏ @AJGMolyneaux 6m6 minutes ago

Kleynhans states he didn't see any blood outside the house on the wall separating #vanbreda home from neighbours.

 

[JudgeJudi]

I know everyone is entitled to a fair trial and have the right to be defended, but how counsel who specialise in acting for murderers sleep at night is something I'll never understand.

 

[JudgeJudi]

EWN Reporter‏Verified account @ewnreporter · 2m

#VanBreda B: "My client says when he woke up on the step [after losing consciousness],he saw blood on the side." K says he didn't see it. MM

 

[JudgeJudi]

EWN Reporter @ewnreporter · 2m

K says he didn't want to move around the bodies a lot because he didn't want to disturb the scene. MM

 

[JudgeJudi]

EWN Reporter @ewnreporter · 34s

B asks K about testimony saying he smelled alcohol on #VanBreda's breath. B says a doc found no alcohol or drugs in his system. MM

 

[PrimeSuspect]

Anthony Molyneaux‏ @AJGMolyneaux 3m3 minutes ago

B: a doctor examined Henri later that morning&found that Henri did not test positive for drugs & an[y] abuse of alcohol.


B: There has been a recorded 24 break-ins at De Zalze estate.

 

[JudgeJudi]

Botha now asking about crime incidents at De Zalze; Kleynhans says yes, theft in 2013.

Botha: we have evidence from 2002 till incident that 190 different crimes happened on De Zalze. That's 24 break ins

[url]http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/live-day-4-in-court-for-murder-accused-henri-van-breda-20170502[/URL]

And how many triple murders were there Mr Botha?

 

[Gecko100]

I wonder how many break-ins, murders, assaults etc have occurred in this insanely over-protected estate? You must enter through manned gates, get past the estate police, deal with electrified fences, and roaming protection officers. Mr vB is described as very safety conscious, I doubt he'd live anywhere that didn't have all those protections. Strange to think that in these places it's the residents you have to be wary of ie Pistorius.
Oops I went for the next question, they were asking as I was typing lol.

 

[JudgeJudi]

EWN Reporter @ewnreporter · 25s

Court adjourns for lunch. MM

 

[PrimeSuspect]

EWN Reporter @ewnreporter · 34s

B asks K about testimony saying he smelled alcohol on #VanBreda's breath. B says a doc found no alcohol or drugs in his system. MM

That's what makes this so chilling, he was stone cold sober. It will be interesting when witnesses take the stand who heard arguing earlier in the night at the Van Bredas. Botha will make a mockery of them. :/

 

[JudgeJudi]

25 break-ins over 15 years. But Botha still hasn't told us how many murders let alone triple murders.