South Hadley,MA Phoebe Prince 15 kills self over bullying #2

[BeenaBobba]

Yes, that's first the message I picked up through skimming the press, she went home and died right away. Now, that I see some more in depth pieces, it's not so clear. Yes, her phone was plugged in. So she cared about the future when she made the choice to plug it in. But what happened between then...and the stairwell? Why no note? The christmas scarf? It would have to be totally implusive for me to believe suicide. So, I find myself looking for the catalyst...the happening that propelled her. I'm still looking... IMO

I agree. I think something may have happened that we haven't heard about yet, something that pushed her over the edge.

 

[WaddupYo]

I removed the brother's fb link in my original posting of it

 

[daisy7]

I removed the brother's fb link in my original posting of it

Thanks. I'll take it out from those that quoted your post.

 

[Paladine]

"SHHS Students have college concerns" this is WWLP, again...

"They fear negative press will impact application"...

In other words...~~~~MEDIA?! Shut Up and Go Away!~~~~Love, Gus and Dan

http://www.wwlp.com/dpp/news/local/s-hadley-students-have-college-concerns

 

[MaureenN]

I agree. I think something may have happened that we haven't heard about yet, something that pushed her over the edge.

Not that I think, at all, that this would be a valid reason for killing herself (or a valid reason for anyone bullying her), but I wonder if anyone checked for a pregnancy...

 

[thebear14]

Yes, that's first the message I picked up through skimming the press, she went home and died right away. Now, that I see some more in depth pieces, it's not so clear. Yes, her phone was plugged in. So, she cared about the future when she made the choice to plug it in. But what happened between then...and the stairwell? Why no note? The christmas scarf? It would have to be totally implusive for me to believe suicide. So, I find myself looking for the catalyst...the happening that propelled her. I'm still looking... IMO

Might be the texts.

yeah - I believe it was totally impulsive. However the fact that she came home, plugged in her phone, was apparently texting, used the scarf her sister gave her for xmas, and had to know that either her sister or her mom but most likely her little sister would find her...just doesn't add up. If she came straight home and was just in such a bad mental state that she did it I would understand better, but the fact that it seems she was home for a bit, even just 10 or 15 mins just seems strange. Plus she was talking with someone who must have been a friend as she was talking about what had happened that day. why even bother telling someone? idk - I also agree that something else may have happened to set it off. sorry if this is just a repeat of everything that's already been said

 

[daisy7]

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[thebear14]

Not that I think, at all, that this would be a valid reason for killing herself (or a valid reason for anyone bullying her), but I wonder if anyone checked for a pregnancy...

that's kind of been in the back of my head, as well. :\ an autopsy was done...would they have been able to tell from that? or a test laying around...or the nurse visit earlier in the day. idk..so many questions and sadly it seems the more we know the sadder it becomes.

 

[thebear14]

this is an old article, from January 16th, but it had some interesting parts. Some of the older articles are a good read just to see what people's reactions were immediately after it happened. Sorry if this was posted previously.

"Our school is so small so they all knew who she was, but she was new and she was trying to get to know people," Szybziak said. "All the girls who didn't like her, it was just because she talked to their boyfriends. I think girlfriends got jealous because they wanted the attention on them. She didn't do anything wrong, but they took it the wrong way."

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.gazettenet.com/files/images/20100115-200759-pic-938049466.display.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.gazettenet.com/2010/01/16/stunned-students-grieve-and-regret&usg=__LBwQ5wIEbCG1uAKjo59NUbKlIhc=&h=660&w=440&sz=75&hl=en&start=135&um=1&itbs=1&tbnid=lsVkfE5SP7iCUM:&tbnh=138&tbnw=92&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dphoebe%2Bprince%26start%3D120%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26ndsp%3D20%26tbs%3Disch:1

sorry for the possible funky link - found it through google images

 

[jjenny]

that's kind of been in the back of my head, as well. :\ an autopsy was done...would they have been able to tell from that? or a test laying around...or the nurse visit earlier in the day. idk..so many questions and sadly it seems the more we know the sadder it becomes.

I like to watch "Dr.G, medical examiner" so I presume they should have examined every organ during autopsy.

 

[jjenny]

I'm not sure of Phoebe's citizen status, concentric. Good question.

I don't see any way she could have possibly been a US citizen. She was not born in US, she just moved to US recently.

 

[BeenaBobba]

I like to watch "Dr.G, medical examiner" so I presume they should have examined every organ during autopsy.

They do. I've seen videos of autopsies before. They examine pretty much every organ, including the reproductive organs. If she was pregnant, they would have found out during her autopsy.

 

[Laurence]

Yes, that's first the message I picked up through skimming the press, she went home and died right away. Now, that I see some more in depth pieces, it's not so clear. Yes, her phone was plugged in. So, she cared about the future when she made the choice to plug it in. But what happened between then...and the stairwell? Why no note? The christmas scarf? It would have to be totally implusive for me to believe suicide. So, I find myself looking for the catalyst...the happening that propelled her. I'm still looking... IMO

Might be the texts.

I've wondered about the possibility of pregnancy or something else along those lines that may have been a final trigger. Been trying to avoid thinking about that, but as you and others have pointed out, she came home, had at least some time to text (unless it was while on the way or still at school), plug her phone in and then...

It might just turn out to be that trying to put a logical train of events to the actions of somebody clearly so depairing is impossible.

 

[Laurence]

that's kind of been in the back of my head, as well. :\ an autopsy was done...would they have been able to tell from that? or a test laying around...or the nurse visit earlier in the day. idk..so many questions and sadly it seems the more we know the sadder it becomes.

Agreed. I've wondered about something like this from the beginning. Like most things of this nature, I think that the truth is probably going to turn out to be something that is both mundane and horrifying at the same time.

I know reading those clinical charge sheets gave the whole an air of awfulness to me that I hadn't expected.

 

[jjenny]

They do. I've seen videos of autopsies before. They examine pretty much every organ, including the reproductive organs. If she was pregnant, they would have found out during her autopsy.

Yes, they would know. It does not necessarily mean we would know at this stage, though, because we have not seen her medical records, or complete autopsy results.

 

[JBean]

Now that we have a forum it is time to break out the discussion into topic specific threads.
This thread will be closing in the next couple days so please start branching out!

link to the front page of the Phoebe Prince forum:

[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=403"]Phoebe Prince - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]

 

[Paladine]

Playing the victim card, imo...but I wish no one would call these people...they're using it as a shield to deflect media attention from THEIR actions...IMO

"South Hadley superintendent harassed by telephone"

AMHERST - South Hadley schools Superintendent Gus Sayer reported receiving at least eight harassing phone calls in which callers used profanities at his Amherst home Friday and Saturday, police said.

Police said they took the first report from Sayer Friday at 5:10 p.m. after he got one call from a man and, after a brief conversation, hung up on him. The man then called back three more times, leaving messages on the answering machine filled with obscenities and what police described as being harassing in nature."

http://www.gazettenet.com/2010/04/13/s-hadley-superintendent-harassed-telephone

 

[Paladine]

Just saw your post, JBean...will do.

 

[thebear14]

I've wondered about the possibility of pregnancy or something else along those lines that may have been a final trigger. Been trying to avoid thinking about that, but as you and others have pointed out, she came home, had at least some time to text (unless it was while on the way or still at school), plug her phone in and then...

It might just turn out to be that trying to put a logical train of events to the actions of somebody clearly so depairing is impossible.

ah..yeah..I've also been trying to avoid that thought. Just adds another layer of horribleness to the whole thing. Unless her autopsy reports are released doubtful we'll ever know for sure and it's likely that she wasn't...but it's also something that shouldn't be ruled out.

We may never know what the final trigger was. Maybe there wasn't one and like you said, we're just trying to put together a logical train of events when there isn't one.

During the day I'm searching for answers, searching for comments, for article, for pictures, looking through facebook groups to see if I can find some answers, some clues, some missing pieces of the puzzle that will connect the dots and make things a little clearer. And once in a while I find something that makes it a little clearer or makes it a little more hazy. But then I find myself getting ready for work in the morning, or driving to work, or laying in bed waiting for sleep to come to me and in those quiet moments I'm not searching for anything...but my heart becomes heavy and I realize that no matter what we find out - whether the puzzle pieces all come together or not - a young girl is still gone. A young girl who at a moment in time was in so much pain that she decided to end her life. Now her parents have lost a daughter and her siblings have lost a a sister. If I could relive the past several months, even though many of those months were a nightmare for me, if it would give Phoebe a second chance I would do it. Sadly, I don't think time travel is possible. So my only hope is that this case encourages stronger actions against bullying so that no other kids have to go through the same pain as Phoebe and the many other children who have lost their lives due to bullying.

ahh...sorry for going off on a tanget and being off topic a bit..my mind just wandered for a moment but I typed it so I might as well post it. have a good night everyone.

 

[AstuteLearner8]

To the bear14, totally agree with you it's just that now we can only make sure that the people responsible for this will get their fair share of punishment and that we make measures to make sure that this event won't ever happen again.

Also from this link http://www.masslive.com/news/index.ssf/2010/04/south_hadley_school_committee.html

Not to be mean, but this Edward J Boiselle man is really showing signs of :loser: behavior. Behold the quotes.

School Committee Chairman Edward J. Boisselle on Tuesday accused local advertising man and school critic Darby J. O’Brien of “impersonating” a spokesman for the Prince family in various media outlets, including during his appearance Thursday on the nationally broadcast television program “The Dr. Phil Show.”

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“I cannot think of anything more hurtful for the community, the schools and mostly the Prince family. That is a very serious allegation,” Boisselle said.

If Mr. O'Brien hadn't stepped in and hadn't asked Kevin Cullen of the Boston Globe to write the now-world famous story of Phoebe Prince then we would have never heard about Phoebe Prince. Real smooth Boiselle, this only further fuels the debate for your resignation. STOP. TALKING. NOW.

And then O'Brien fights back

“I’m a volunteer. I do everything for the family pro bono,” O’Brien said

And apparently tomorrow at the school board meeting, Mr. O'Brien and Mr. Gelinas will be calling for the resignations

O’Brien, along with resident Luke T. Gelinas, has called for Boisselle, School Superintendent Gus A. Sayer and South Hadley High School principal Daniel T. Smith to step down. Gelinas said he will make his case for the resignations during the public comment portion of the School Committee meeting set for 6:30 Wednesday night at South Hadley High School.

And this is the Prince's family attorney if anybody is interested.

Prince family’s attorney, Rebecca L. Bouchard, of the Springfield law firm of Doherty, Wallace, Pillsbury & Murphy, P.C.