South Hadley,MA Phoebe Prince 15 kills self over bullying #2

[daisy7]

Now that we have a forum it is time to break out the discussion into topic specific threads.
This thread will be closing in the next couple days so please start branching out!

link to the front page of the Phoebe Prince forum:

Phoebe Prince - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

Thanks, JBean!!! :blowkiss:

 

[daisy7]

Can someone start a thread for the school board meeting tomorrow? It should be interesting.

 

[Paladine]

The big school commitee meeting is tomorrow.

"School committee prepares for meeting"

The South Hadley School Committee meets tomorrow night, but there's no posted agenda on the town website.

http://www.wwlp.com/dpp/news/local/School-committee-prepares-for-meeting-

 

[Laurence]

Yes, that's first the message I picked up through skimming the press, she went home and died right away. Now, that I see some more in depth pieces, it's not so clear. Yes, her phone was plugged in. So, she cared about the future when she made the choice to plug it in. But what happened between then...and the stairwell? Why no note? The christmas scarf? It would have to be totally implusive for me to believe suicide. So, I find myself looking for the catalyst...the happening that propelled her. I'm still looking... IMO

Might be the texts.

I agree. There is a point in her day when she decides to do it. I would think it's very close to the act otherwise I'd think she'd back off. Something was a final straw. Sadly this (a final point) is probably a mystery in most successful attempts.

 

[Laurence]

ahh...sorry for going off on a tanget and being off topic a bit..my mind just wandered for a moment but I typed it so I might as well post it. have a good night everyone.

Tangents is what internet discussion boards were made for. It was a good post.

 

[Paladine]

I started the thread for the school committee meeting. Notice the date...it's on the 4 month anniversary of Phoebe's death...14/04/10...alot of "4"'s...

 

[BeenaBobba]

If Mr. O'Brien hadn't stepped in and hadn't asked Kevin Cullen of the Boston Globe to write the now-world famous story of Phoebe Prince then we would have never heard about Phoebe Prince. Real smooth Boiselle, this only further fuels the debate for your resignation. STOP. TALKING. NOW.

Wow! I can't believe he said this:

“I cannot think of anything more hurtful for the community, the schools and mostly the Prince family. That is a very serious allegation,” Boisselle said.

That is indeed a very serious allegation against O'Brien! I would think that the Prince family would speak out if he was fraudulently or incorrectly speaking on their behalf.

 

[Lou Cyper]

I've been following this case since hearing about it on another forum and eventually found the links to here.

I think the key is in those text messages on the day she died. Something tipped her over the edge after the months of relentless harassment. Have the contents of those texts been released? If not then they're obviously important in the upcoming prosecution.

My theory is that either someone like Ashley or Flannery after harassing her on the way home continued it via text or worse still one of the people she thought was a friend that she was confiding in, turned on her and said something awful as well.

 

[thebear14]

I've been following this case since hearing about it on another forum and eventually found the links to here.

I think the key is in those text messages on the day she died. Something tipped her over the edge after the months of relentless harassment. Have the contents of those texts been released? If not then they're obviously important in the upcoming prosecution.

My theory is that either someone like Ashley or Flannery after harassing her on the way home continued it via text or worse still one of the people she thought was a friend that she was confiding in, turned on her and said something awful as well.

yea that sounds likely to me as well. it seems that there was likely some betrayal by people she thought were friends. if it goes to trial, I think it would be likely that the content of any text message that may have sent her over the edge will be released.

 

[thebear14]

Wow! I can't believe he said this:



That is indeed a very serious allegation against O'Brien! I would think that the Prince family would speak out if he was fraudulently or incorrectly speaking on their behalf.

yea definitely. the family has been quiet but they obviously have trust in O'Brien to speak on their behalf and let the media know what they want them to know at this point. If he were saying something untrue or that they disagreed with I'm sure they would come out clarifying or at least have their attorney issue a statement.

 

[thebear14]

To the bear14, totally agree with you it's just that now we can only make sure that the people responsible for this will get their fair share of punishment and that we make measures to make sure that this event won't ever happen again.

Very true. Thanks to you and Laurence for not minding my wandering mind last night This case has really been taking a toll on me the past several days - it weighs heavily on my mind. I just really hope something good comes of this case, that an example will finally be set. Phoebe's death shall not be in vain, I hope.

 

[concentric]

I'm with you all here. This case is indeed weighing heavily on my mind as well, like a grey cloud, depressing. And I agree, for her to take her life, it would have had to be her whole sense of self and reality that was shattered, such as in someone or several "someones" delivering that fatal blow to her psyche that had been made extremely fragile by constant berating.

How these young people can be so devious and calculating is mind-blowing. For me, that behavior is no less appaling than if they were street gangsters.

What crime would it be called when someone murders someone by driving them to suicide?

 

[WaddupYo]

Very true. Thanks to you and Laurence for not minding my wandering mind last night This case has really been taking a toll on me the past several days - it weighs heavily on my mind. I just really hope something good comes of this case, that an example will finally be set. Phoebe's death shall not be in vain, I hope.

<3 lots and lots of hugs!!

My husband looks at me weird when he sees me crying or eyes tearing up. I've tried to explain it to him. I don't know how.

 

[thebear14]

<3 lots and lots of hugs!!

My husband looks at me weird when he sees me crying or eyes tearing up. I've tried to explain it to him. I don't know how.

Concentric and WhaddupYo - glad I'm not the only one and thanks for the hugs! I have the same problem - my boyfriend knows I've sort of been following the case but don't think he realizes how invested I am in it as he's at work most nights and that's when I'm at home. It's been a close call a few times with the eyes tearing up - I can imagine I wouldn't know how to explain it either if he caught me. I can't even explain it - I don't know why this case is affecting me so much. I've read many other stories like this, and of course they've been sad and terrible but I've never gotten caught up in them like with this one. I don't think I could handle following more than one case at a time - this one is so mentally and emotionally draining - I would definitely end up having a drinking or smoking habit if I were to involved with another one and I just can't afford to do that!

 

[WaddupYo]

I think that's why I am sticking to this story mainly..reading about anyone else will drive me to drink

 

[Paladine]

I've been following this case since hearing about it on another forum and eventually found the links to here.

I think the key is in those text messages on the day she died. Something tipped her over the edge after the months of relentless harassment. Have the contents of those texts been released? If not then they're obviously important in the upcoming prosecution.

My theory is that either someone like Ashley or Flannery after harassing her on the way home continued it via text or worse still one of the people she thought was a friend that she was confiding in, turned on her and said something awful as well.

Hey Lou Welcome, glad you found us :dance:...and I tend to agree. Those texts will be telling.

I'm having computer problems. :furious: Had to switch computers...ugh. I like my old beat up buddy...so, I may be slow in posting today. I hope others will keep our sub-forum rocking today...

 

[WaddupYo]

Yes I too wonder about the texts and what type of phone she had. The texts were unopened.

 

[Paladine]

Concentric and WhaddupYo - glad I'm not the only one and thanks for the hugs! I have the same problem - my boyfriend knows I've sort of been following the case but don't think he realizes how invested I am in it as he's at work most nights and that's when I'm at home. It's been a close call a few times with the eyes tearing up - I can imagine I wouldn't know how to explain it either if he caught me. I can't even explain it - I don't know why this case is affecting me so much. I've read many other stories like this, and of course they've been sad and terrible but I've never gotten caught up in them like with this one. I don't think I could handle following more than one case at a time - this one is so mentally and emotionally draining - I would definitely end up having a drinking or smoking habit if I were to involved with another one and I just can't afford to do that!

I have found the same, bear. I have been a member here for around 2 yrs. In that time, I've peeked in at many cases but have only been truly drawn in by 3. ANS, Casey Anthony, and Jasmine Fiore. Until Phoebe. I feel even more determined than I did on the other cases to get Phoebe's voice out there. To have her story told. She was ignored and thrown to the wolves, imo. No more.

 

[WaddupYo]

In the comments section

http://www.masslive.com/news/index.ssf/2010/04/south_hadley_high_school_staff.html

Yes, a dance was held days after PP took her own life. Two of the "young ladies" (disputable) involved were overheard disparaging PP's memory at a local South Hadley hair salon; something to the affect of "Phoebe, Phoebe, Phoebe, this had better not ruin my night at the dance!" Among other things, this is a sad commentary on the self centeredness and sense of entitlement felt by today's youth. I worry for them!

 

[Paladine]

Wow! I can't believe he said this:



That is indeed a very serious allegation against O'Brien! I would think that the Prince family would speak out if he was fraudulently or incorrectly speaking on their behalf.

IMO: I THINK what has happened is the school committee has pulled a fast move. They needed to stop O'Brien, they saw what an effect O'Brien was having as the unofficial spokesperson for the Prince's. Dr. Phil was crushing for them, I'd bet, yet so good for the Princes. They we're able get Phoebe's story out there without having to commit to it being OFFICIALLY from them. If the Princes had an qualms about O'Brien acting as their unofficial spokesperson, I'd bet they would have spoke up.

So...the school committee calls the Prince's Attorney and asks if O'Brien is the spokesperson. Naturally, imo...the attorney said, no. So, they call him an impersonator! Smooth but transparent, to me. They want to cut his support off before the meeting tonight. Shameful, imo.
http://www.masslive.com/metrowest/republican/index.ssf?/base/news-25/1271229379245540.xml&coll=1