Southwest Flight Attendant Tries to Boot Hooters Waitress From Plane Over Clothing

[eleven]

There are many parents that are annoyed that movies are shown that may not be suitable for children on board. They either contain scenes of "implied sexuality and or violence. Many parents and other groups have commplained. But the airlines are going with the times and the "desires" of the adults.

So in an a vague analogy, don't watch the movie. Oh yeah, If forgot, you can't change the channel, leave the plane or "choose" not to watch the movie as again you are in the air.

Lets look at the fact first and foremost at what "Hooters is all about" her "choice" of employment where "she is expected" to display her "wares" and "depend on her "sexuality" for tips and "cater" to men.

It is not so much her choice of dress, it is the conditions upon which others are subjected to her dress.

A girl watlking down the street in a short dress or skirt, you may be for 5-10 seconds and then shake your head. But being held "captive" as in her own personal audience on a plane with families and children.

I do not think she is that bright, gee, do you think she depends on her body and looks to get by. You can "profile" a person from their actions' or lack thereof and have a "fairly" good idea of other personality traits.

People who do not depends on their "sexuality" or bodies(except of course "entertainers")learn to develop more and better "quality" character traits.

I agree also, you are a "paying" guest on an airline, but unless your name is on the side of the airline and it is your own private plane, you abide by the rules of the airline.

From the Smoking Gun.

Female employees are required to sign that they "acknowledge and affirm" the following:

1. My job duties require I wear the designated Hooters Girl uniform.
2. My job duties require that I interact with and entertain the customers.
3. The Hooters concept is based on female sex appeal and the work environment is one in which joking and sexual innuendo based on female sex appeal is commonplace.
4. I do not find my job duties, uniform requirements, or work environment to be offensive, intimidating, hostile, or unwelcome.

So I guess this girl was SO shocked that the "Hooters" work contract does not duplicate real life and people may be offended by the "Hooters" uniform(or the "equal" thereof") on a plane.

Would you take your kids to Hooters.....by the way, my answer to that is No.

So the girl works at Hooters while she is going through college. Her and about.....THOUSANDS of others. Big deal. It's an honest living. It says NOTHING about her character type. If anything, it says she isn't relying on other people to pay her way. She's getting an education. I'd much rather have my daughter or friend work at hooters while they put themselves through college than sitting at home all day, watching soaps, eating bon bons and collecting their welfare checks!

Plus, this girl was merely occupying a seat on the plane. She wasn't being thrown in everyones face like an in-flight movie, so that comparison seems likes apples to oranges to me.

Again, it was a freakin' miniskirt, tank top, and outer sweater. Geez, it's not like she got on the plane wearing a thong and falsies!

 

[JBean]

You have only heard a very small part.

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[jilly]

OH MY! Cleavage!! THE HORROR! LOL, seriously....ALL women have cleavage! It's just cleavage. Her weren't hanging out. I personally see nothing wrong with having some cleavage show--even though I usually make sure my cleavage is covered. But that doesn't mean that I think everyone else should ascribe to the same thought process.

We don't know how much though. That's why I went on to say that "I wonder how much?" I don't see anything wrong with have some cleavage either. Fact is, she was told to pull up her shirt.
I just saw the story on our local news. Yes...it's gone international. Her skirt top to bottom looks like about 10". When she pulls it down to a decent level, look how far down it sits. Maybe she had the skirt up higher when she was getting on the plane.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/20638463/

 

[JBean]

We don't know how much though. That's why I went on to say that "I wonder how much?" I don't see anything wrong with have some cleavage either. Fact is, she was told to pull up her shirt.
I just saw the story on our local news. Yes...it's gone international. Her skirt top to bottom looks like about 10". When she pulls it down to a decent level, look how far down it sits. Maybe she had the skirt up higher when she was getting on the plane.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/20638463/

HI J-1
I would bet my bottom dollar
that the top was pulled down very low on top and up to the midriff on the bottom. One article said she agreed to pull her shirt down to cover her stomach, so we know it was hiked up. Yet, when she is on Matt Lauer, the shirt is pulled down nice and snug. She admitted that she adjusted her skirt and pulled her shirt up to cover her cleavage, so adjustments were made. WE have no idea what she looked like when she boarded that plane, but I have my suspicions.
Moreover as I said before, she must have adjusted the outfit to fly the second time or she could not been much bothered by the first episode. That, IMO is why it was not an issue when she took the second flight.

 

[dingo]

She should of just thrown on a pair of tracky dacks.......thats what I do all my jetsetting in

 

[pedinurse]

OH MY! Cleavage!! THE HORROR! LOL, seriously....ALL women have cleavage! It's just cleavage. Her weren't hanging out. I personally see nothing wrong with having some cleavage show--even though I usually make sure my cleavage is covered. But that doesn't mean that I think everyone else should ascribe to the same thought process.

I'd be willing to bet that the male flight attendant who tried to boot her off the plane secretly thought she was a major hottie, and knew that was probably the only way he would get any interaction with her! Men are men....they ALL look. Married or not. It's in their blood. If they say they don't , they're lying, IMO!

No, not all women have cleavage! Have you SEEN that one Olsen twin lately?

 

[capps]

The airport has security cameras all over the place. I wonder,with all the media attention this is getting,before too long there will be pictures of her in her "before" attire,from security camera footage. I wouldn't mind seeing this myself,so we can finally put this to rest.

She was on "Geraldo At Large" tonight,and I swear that skirt gets longer and longer every time I see her.

 

[angelmom]

The airport has security cameras all over the place. I wonder,with all the media attention this is getting,before too long there will be pictures of her in her "before" attire,from security camera footage. I wouldn't mind seeing this myself,so we can finally put this to rest.

She was on "Geraldo At Large" tonight,and I swear that skirt gets longer and longer every time I see her.

You're a genius. I'm curious too, b/c I really think it must have been bad for someone to say something.

 

[JBean]

The airport has security cameras all over the place. I wonder,with all the media attention this is getting,before too long there will be pictures of her in her "before" attire,from security camera footage. I wouldn't mind seeing this myself,so we can finally put this to rest.

She was on "Geraldo At Large" tonight,and I swear that skirt gets longer and longer every time I see her.

Good thought. LOL about the skirt getting longer.
What caught my eye was how far down the shirt was pulled on Matt Lauer..yet she admitted that her belly was showing previously.
Like Angelmom I think it must have been noteworthy to cause a ruckus. She was in San Diego and it is pretty free flowing there. Not like she was in a modest conservative area.

 

[IdahoMom]

HI J-1
I would bet my bottom dollar
that the top was pulled down very low on top and up to the midriff on the bottom. One article said she agreed to pull her shirt down to cover her stomach, so we know it was hiked up. Yet, when she is on Matt Lauer, the shirt is pulled down nice and snug. She admitted that she adjusted her skirt and pulled her shirt up to cover her cleavage, so adjustments were made. WE have no idea what she looked like when she boarded that plane, but I have my suspicions.
Moreover as I said before, she must have adjusted the outfit to fly the second time or she could not been much bothered by the first episode. That, IMO is why it was not an issue when she took the second flight.

I agree completely. I think she's attempting to pull the wool over people's eyes.

 

[JBean]

I agree completely. I think she's attempting to pull the wool over people's eyes.

Better she pulled the wool over her body parts

 

[IdahoMom]

Better she pulled the wool over her body parts

Cute!

I have no problem with some cleavage or legs, etc, but I watched her on tv the other day. She stood up and pulled her skirt down. I strongly suspect she was overexposed on the plane.

IMO, she's out for her 15 minutes or money or something.

IMO, she had an ok figure, but not a pretty face at all. :innocent:

 

[jilly]

HI J-1
:laugh: I would bet my bottom dollar
that the top was pulled down very low on top and up to the midriff on the bottom. One article said she agreed to pull her shirt down to cover her stomach, so we know it was hiked up. Yet, when she is on Matt Lauer, the shirt is pulled down nice and snug. She admitted that she adjusted her skirt and pulled her shirt up to cover her cleavage, so adjustments were made. WE have no idea what she looked like when she boarded that plane, but I have my suspicions.
Moreover as I said before, she must have adjusted the outfit to fly the second time or she could not been much bothered by the first episode. That, IMO is why it was not an issue when she took the second flight.

Hi J-2! That's interesting about the stomach. Lordie, the story is getting longer like the skirt.:crazy: I was also going to say that those skirts have a habit of riding up, so I can't see it being where she models it for us now.

She was on The Lineup tonite too. One lawyer said South West has it in their policy or whatever that they can refuse service to anyone who is not dressed properly. He went on to say that she has no law suit - it would be thrown out.

They also showed the photo of SW stewardesses in their hot pants way back when which I don't think is a good comparison. If this girl had been wearing short shorts with boots or high heels (which I believe is the current fashion), I don't think there would have been any problem. It's the revealing nature of her clothing which someone found offensive.jmo

 

[jilly]

The airport has security cameras all over the place. I wonder,with all the media attention this is getting,before too long there will be pictures of her in her "before" attire,from security camera footage. I wouldn't mind seeing this myself,so we can finally put this to rest.

She was on "Geraldo At Large" tonight,and:laugh: I swear that skirt gets longer and longer every time I see her.

It'll be a midi by tomorrow! lol Good point about security cameras.

 

[JBean]

Hi J-2! That's interesting about the stomach. Lordie, the story is getting longer like the skirt.:crazy: I was also going to say that those skirts have a habit of riding up, so I can't see it being where she models it for us now.

She was on The Lineup tonite too. One lawyer said South West has it in their policy or whatever that they can refuse service to anyone who is not dressed properly. He went on to say that she has no law suit - it would be thrown out.

They also showed the photo of SW stewardesses in their hot pants way back when which I don't think is a good comparison. If this girl had been wearing short shorts with boots or high heels (which I believe is the current fashion), I don't think there would have been any problem. It's the revealing nature of her clothing which someone found offensive.jmo

I posted the policy. This girl is going to get nowhere! Frivolous suit IMO.

Regarding the hot pants..if they wore them NOW I would say it was a reasonable comparison, in that sex sells...but we have evolved from hot pants I think So it only serves to show that what was once acceptable by the airlines no longer is and they let their flight attendants wear real clothes now.

ETA: PLus thsoe skirts puff out in the front after you have been sitting. They hold the shape of the seated position. I have no doubt she stood up and more could be seen than intended.

 

[Nova]

...but we have evolved from hot pants I think ....

Oh. Okay. Apparently, the mental picture I've always had of you was wrong. :blushing:

 

[FlowerChild]

I travel A LOT - US and International - often 1st Class
I have flown with women in see thru shirts (bra and no bra), swimsuits under see thru dresses, pants so low pubic hair and butt cracks were exposed (on men and women), women in shorts and skirts so short most of the butt was hanging out a-la Britney, women in all sorts of bottoms with their thong "whale tail" showing, women in pants (with nothing underneath) so tight and thin NOTHING was left to the imagination, women with shorts skirts and NO underwear on - a-la Lindsey and Britney. And lets not forget the new trend of men going commando in their thin "traveler" sweat pants.

I have also flown with falling down, loud, obnoxious drunks, men and women with so much aftershave or perfume on I almost choked, children with sticky nasty hands walking down the aisles TOUCHING everyone, couples having sex - in seats and in the bathroom (the mile-high club is still going strong), people with BO and other foul odors so bad it brought tears to my eyes and those with the need to entertain the entire area with their jokes, stories, music players, talking books, computer games and kiddie toys that talk sing chime and beep. I have sat near people who's table manners led them to "sharing" their meal with everyone within 8'. I have "enjoyed" people who cough, snort, blow and sneeze or have other annoying personal issues like, knuckle cracking, gum popping, foot jiggling, snoring, constant nose honking, nose and teeth picking and men who play "pocket pool" almost constantly.

It used to be people who flew were at least marginally socially acceptable and respectably dressed but no more - now the sleazy, tacky, rude, unwashed and underdressed often are 80 or 90% of every flight. I sometimes look around at the gate and feel like I am mistakenly sitting in a homeless shelter somewhere. I am now shocked to see someone "normal" on the flight. If they have a real suitcase (and not a ratty, stinky gym bag, dirty, muddy backpack, canvas tote or a shopping bag) I am impressed.

IMO, Southwest is fighting a losing battle if they are going to have someone approve the attire of every flyer - they'll never get anyone on the plane. That girl was wearing enough clothing to cover all her naughty bits - more than many of the other people I have seen on every flight in the last 3 years. I don't like it either, but it isn't my job to approve of other people's attire (or lack thereof). Heck, if I look around at the gate and no-one is nekkid, I figure I am lucky that my current crop of fellow passengers are at least a fig leaf or two up the rung of the "civilized" scale. And even BETTER is if I don't have to bathe in sanitizer, hold a scented paper towel to my nose, wear earplugs or scrape debris off me before the plane lands.

GMAB, flying is enough of a crap shoot these days - every plane is overbooked and late and sometimes were are forced to sit on the tarmac for HOURS. I'll take the underdressed girl as a 6 or 8 hour delayed flight seat-neighbor over many many others I have been trapped next to or near in a hot, stuffy plane full of angry, bored, hungry, thirsty people. I bet she had at least had a bath recently, wasn't 3 sheets to the wind or suffering from intestinal "distress" - and bonus - she wouldn't have been sweating buckets while we waited, not wearing that little outfit.

I am so over being the nudie police - waste of time to be hung up on such things. WHO CARES - they are just bodies and we all have one and if over age 2, we are all familiar with the differences in males and females. Don't like it - then don't LOOK! I would NEVER go out "underdressed" that way (well at least not since I hit 35 and even then, it was only after dark) but it isn't up to me to tell others what to wear. The girl wasn't naked, she wasn't gonna be on the plane grinding up and down a pole, or crawling up the aisle, and no-one said she was acting lewd or nasty - what she wears really isn't any of Southwest Airline's business. Too bad someone didn't teach her (or Britney, or Paris or Lindsey et al) to keep some things under wraps but Southwest, with their former incarnation as the sexy flight attendants in Hot-Pants, flowing liquor, party plane airline certainly isn't in a position to take over the moral police role.

Just My Opinion, Really

 

[IdahoMom]

Go back and look at pictures of her standing up. Look at where the waistband of her skirt falls. You can make it out even though she has her shirt pulled over it. Then check out the distance from waist to hem. Keep in mind she offered to pull her shirt down at the waist to cover her midriff that was exposed. There is no way that that microskirt was covering her nether regions like it should, imo. Keep in mind that the shirt was hiked up at the waist.

Editted to add: perhaps the problems was when she was walking down the aisle when other passengers were seated. I'm sure they got an eye full!

 

[Camper]

Short skirts are a matter of physics, and matter.

The waist is tiny, the bottom of the skirt is wide. When sitting there is nothing to hold the skirt down, so it rides up to the smallest, and easiest area of the body.

The waist certainly would not ride down, since the smallest area of the skirt is NOT going to 'float' OR ride downward over the largest lower portion of a body.

Elementary.

.

 

[IdahoMom]

Short skirts are a matter of physics, and matter.

The waist is tiny, the bottom of the skirt is wide. When sitting there is nothing to hold the skirt down, so it rides up to the smallest, and easiest area of the body.

The waist certainly would not ride down, since the smallest area of the skirt is NOT going to 'float' OR ride downward over the largest lower portion of a body.

Elementary.

.

Uh-huh. When she stood up, she was careful to pull her skirt down- and the waistband was well below her hipbones.

The viewer comments on the Today show thread speak volumes...these people saw the show and noticed that she flashed her parts...this chick just wants attention and now she has it.

http://allday.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/09/07/348617.aspx

I just noticed that this happened 2 months ago...why hasn't she gotten over this yet? IMO, she just wants $$$ if she's going on national TV 2 months after the fact.