Deceased/Not Found Spain - Ana Knezevich, 40, from Florida, going through divorce, trip to Madrid, 5 Feb 2024 *suicide arrested husband**

[Sundog]

SBM. We don't know if LE found evidence or if any has been divulged to Ana's family. I presume they know more than the public. Even Ana's friend seems to keep contact with police. Perhaps family/friends know which steps were taken to find Ana's killer.

I agree, we don't know if LE has any evidence or have identified a possible suspect. I doubt that Ana's family and friends know anything from LE, if Spain's authorities operate the same way as American LE operate. I wouldn't presume that they no more than the public. Being in contact with LE doesn't mean knowing any details of the investigation, so I imagine they are also in the dark about what LE have uncovered, if anything.

 

[FacelessPodcast]

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If Ana and her husband, David, had agreed that they needed to sell some of their properties in advance of a pending divorce settlement, then the property (or properties) that are now selling could have been put on the market some time ago, with both Ana and David in agreement to sell them. And one or more of these properties could have recently sold after being on the market for a while. David being in Serbia shouldn't have an impact on the selling of the properties, his realtor and/or attorney would normally be able to handle that in his absence. It's possible that Ana agreed to the sales before she departed for Spain. I don't see this as any evidence that David is necessarily involved in foul play here.
It could, but not necessarily.

So far there is no evidence that David is involved in Ana's disappearance, just innuendo. We need actual evidence before assuming his involvement, other than the normal practice of looking closely at the "ex" in a spouse's disapperance. So far, no evidence has surfaced. So far, it is just dueling attorneys - in Spain for Ana's family and friends, and in the U.S. for David.

I think it sounds like the point is that Ana didn't agree to sell it. At least, according to the lawyer. Moreover, that the suggestion is that the husband has sold more than his half of the estate, and therefore part of the 50% that Ana felt / was entitled to.

 

[Sundog]

I think it sounds like the point is that Ana didn't agree to sell it. At least, according to the lawyer. Moreover, that the suggestion is that the husband has sold more than his half of the estate, and therefore part of the 50% that Ana felt / was entitled to.

I was assuming that the couple would sell their assets and then divide up the money that came from the sale of the real estate/properties (and other assets) and divide it up 50/50 as Ana wished, or 70/30 as David wished (IIRC), and if they couldn't agree, then the court would decide on the appropriate division, keeping in mind that Florida doesn't necessarily divide assets by 50/50.

I hadn't seen in the media that Ana wanted to keep certain properties or their sale just for herself, but maybe I have missed it. I thought her friends were saying that Ana wanted 50% of their assets, not 50% of their sold properties.

 

[kaya3627]

I was assuming that the couple would sell their assets and then divide up the money that came from the sale of the real estate/properties (and other assets) and divide it up 50/50 as Ana wished, or 70/30 as David wished (IIRC), and if they couldn't agree, then the court would decide on the appropriate division, keeping in mind that Florida doesn't necessarily divide assets by 50/50.

I hadn't seen in the media that Ana wanted to keep certain properties or their sale just for herself, but maybe I have missed it. I thought her friends were saying that Ana wanted 50% of their assets, not 50% of their sold properties.

The Oxford dictionary defines an asset as property.

 

[kaya3627]

March 4, 2024

New article from today

"On the day that she went missing, she had gone to see a house to settle permanently in Madrid. The lease on her rental was running out in March, and she needed a place to stay long-term. That night, in the telephone conversation from bed, she told her friend that she did not like the property she had visited and that she was going to keep searching. They also talked about the plans they had for a trip they would take to Barcelona the following week. They were meant to be going to the Catalan capital on February 5 to attend a talk by a psychiatrist that Ana María liked, and they would take the opportunity to spend a few days of leisure. At around 9.30 p.m. the conversation ended. At 11.30 p.m. another friend sent Ana María a message, which appears as read, although she never answered it."

That night, Ana María did not lower the blinds in her bedroom to keep the sun out in the morning, as she normally did. When the police interrogated one of her neighbors, the latter clearly remembered that she had stayed up until 1.30 a.m. and that there was still light in the home next door. Early the next day, the blinds were still up. Neighbors also say that on the same day that the woman disappeared, a man wearing a motorcycle helmet disabled the building’s security cameras with a spray can. However, sources investigating the case do not necessarily tie this event with Ana María’s disappearance, as this has happened several times in an area that is a common target for thieves.

Her brother, Juan, contacted her husband David twice. At first, he didn’t respond. When they finally managed to talk, David assured him that he had no idea what could have happened to his wife. The second time, when the family asked him for financial support to travel to Spain or to get legal advice, he replied that this was no longer his concern, say sources close to the family.

The disturbing disappearance of an American woman in Madrid during a divorce involving millions of dollars

Police are still searching for Ana María Knezevich, a wealthy 40-year-old who was separating from her Serbian husband. She went missing in the Spanish capital after sending two strange text messages to friends

english.elpais.com

 

[kaya3627]

I wonder, if when the firefighters entered her apartment, was the light still on?

 

[indicolite22]

Where was Ana's phone located on Feb 2 around 11:30pm when the friend's message was read? Could the perp have entered her apartment earlier in the evening (without breaking in) and left during the night?

 

[Sundog]

The Oxford dictionary defines an asset as property.

"Assets" include property, but are broader than property when it comes to dividing assets in a divorce. Generally speaking, "assets” include bank accounts, cars, real estate, collectibles, jewelry, retirement accounts, pensions, etc.

 

[kaya3627]

"Assets" include property, but are broader than property when it comes to dividing assets in a divorce. Generally speaking, "assets” include bank accounts, cars, real estate, collectibles, jewelry, retirement accounts, pensions, etc.

Exactly. And an example of real estate are "sold properties"

 

[Sundog]

Does this media outlet believe that David is not an American citizen, or is it just some kind of bias in the way they describe him?

They describe Ana as "a U.S. citizen born in Colombia" and they describe David as "a man of Serbian nationality." If David is a U.S. citizen, then wouldn't it be more accurate to say that she married "a U.S. citizen born in Serbia?"

From the article -

Ana María Knezevich Henao, 40, a U.S. citizen born in Colombia, was reportedly in the middle of a difficult divorce made more complicated by the lack of agreement with her ex and also by the large amount of money involved. The missing woman had moved from Colombia to Miami 18 years ago. Thirteen years ago she married a man of Serbian nationality named David Knezevich.

The disturbing disappearance of an American woman in Madrid during a divorce involving millions of dollars

Police are still searching for Ana María Knezevich, a wealthy 40-year-old who was separating from her Serbian husband. She went missing in the Spanish capital after sending two strange text messages to friends

english.elpais.com

 

[kaya3627]

Approximate timeline:

9:30 PM Telephone conversation with friend ends

10 PM (approx.) Neighbors reported seeing Ana outside

11:30 PM Message from friend was sent to Ana and appears as read

1:30 AM Neighbor reports seeing lights on in Ana's apartment + blinds raised

2:00 PM What's App Message sent to Sanna

4:00 PM What's App Message sent to "close friend from Madrid"


Sources:

Florida woman vanishes in Spain under suspicious circumstances

“She has not left on her own. She has been taken against her will and by who, I don’t know."

www.wesh.com

The disturbing disappearance of an American woman in Madrid during a divorce involving millions of dollars

Police are still searching for Ana María Knezevich, a wealthy 40-year-old who was separating from her Serbian husband. She went missing in the Spanish capital after sending two strange text messages to friends

english.elpais.com

 

[kaya3627]

Does this media outlet believe that David is not an American citizen, or is it just some kind of bias in the way they describe him?

They describe Ana as "a U.S. citizen born in Colombia" and they describe David as "a man of Serbian nationality." If David is a U.S. citizen, then wouldn't it be more accurate to say that she married "a U.S. citizen born in Serbia?"

From the article -

Ana María Knezevich Henao, 40, a U.S. citizen born in Colombia, was reportedly in the middle of a difficult divorce made more complicated by the lack of agreement with her ex and also by the large amount of money involved. The missing woman had moved from Colombia to Miami 18 years ago. Thirteen years ago she married a man of Serbian nationality named David Knezevich.

The disturbing disappearance of an American woman in Madrid during a divorce involving millions of dollars

Police are still searching for Ana María Knezevich, a wealthy 40-year-old who was separating from her Serbian husband. She went missing in the Spanish capital after sending two strange text messages to friends

english.elpais.com

Not necessarily "more accurate." Has it been confirmed that David is a U.S. citizen?

 

[Sundog]

I think it sounds like the point is that Ana didn't agree to sell it. At least, according to the lawyer. Moreover, that the suggestion is that the husband has sold more than his half of the estate, and therefore part of the 50% that Ana felt / was entitled to.

My understanding is that real property is sold during a divorce and the proceeds split between the divorcing couple according to the court-ordered formula for division, whatever that is determined to be by the courts (ideally worked out by the couple in advance of the court hearing to divide assets, but determined by the court if there isn't agreement by the couple).

So regardless if the property is sold now or later, the proceeds of the sale will be divided appropriately once the divorce is finalized (if it is ever finalized due to Ana's disappearance and/or David's criminal nvolvement or non-involvement). There is a record of the sale and the proceeds are divided at the time of the formal divorce. I don't see Ana losing anything to David in that regard. It would all be a part of the leger of assets that would be considered by the judge during the formal divorce proceedings.

Eventually, they would have to sell their properties in order to divide these assets, or one would have to agree to buy the other one out at a value mutually agreed upon or by an amount determined by the court.

 

[kaya3627]

My understanding is that real property is sold during a divorce and the proceeds split between the divorcing couple according to the court-ordered formula for division, whatever that is determined to be by the courts (ideally worked out by the couple in advance of the court hearing to divide assets, but determined by the court if there isn't agreement by the couple).

So regardless if the property is sold now or later, the proceeds of the sale will be divided appropriately once the divorce is finalized (if it is ever finalized due to Ana's disappearance and/or David's criminal nvolvement or non-involvement). There is a record of the sale and the proceeds are divided at the time of the formal divorce. I don't see Ana losing anything to David in that regard. It would all be a part of the leger of assets that would be considered by the judge during the formal divorce proceedings.

Eventually, they would have to sell their properties in order to divide these assets, or one would have to agree to buy the other one out at a value mutually agreed upon or by an amount determined by the court.

And if the divorce is never finalized due to someone "gone missing," the surviving spouse receives 100% of the proceeds.

I appreciate your optimism that Ana will be found alive to finalize the divorce and amicably agree to a fair division of the proceeds.

 

[Sundog]

Not necessarily "more accurate." Has it been confirmed that David is a U.S. citizen?

That's what I was asking, has this media source determined that David is not a U.S. citizen? If so, their description of him makes sense. If they have not made that detrmination, then it is odd how they describe him as being of "a man of Serbian nationality."

 

[kaya3627]

That's what I was asking, has this media source determined that David is not a U.S. citizen? If so, their description of him makes sense. If they have not made that detrmination, then it is odd how they describe him as being of "a man of Serbian nationality."

Not really, as that is where he currently resides.

The fact that other media have reported David's multiple identities and passports could indicate he has dual citizenship. So it wouldn't make sense to call him a U.S. citizen living in Serbia. In my opinion.

 

[Sundog]

And if the divorce is never finalized due to someone "gone missing," the surviving spouse receives 100% of the proceeds.

I appreciate your optimism that Ana will be found alive to finalize the divorce and amicably agree to a fair division of the proceeds.

I assume that any right to 100% of the property would take at least 5 years according to Florida statute. I also assume that Ana's case will be resolved within that time frame and if David is involved in her disappearance, then during that time he will be brought to justice.
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Statutes & Constitution :View Statutes : Online Sunshine

A person who is absent from the place of his or her last known domicile for a continuous period of 5 years and whose absence is not satisfactorily explained after diligent search and inquiry is presumed to be dead.

 

[kaya3627]

Can we try to imagine some scenarios?

Ana told her friend around 9:30 that she was going to bed early because she was tired. However, she was seen outside around 10:00 PM. At 11:30 PM she receives a message that is "seen as read." At 1:30 AM - her blinds are up and light is on.

What could possess Ana to go outside her apartment between 10PM and 1:30 AM? (on Saturday Feb 2nd)

[Did something trigger her to "need to take a walk" as the suspicious text messages stated?]

 

[kaya3627]

I assume that any right to 100% of the property would take at least 5 years according to Florida statute. I also assume that Ana's case will be resolved within that time frame and if David is involved in her disappearance, then during that time he will be brought to justice.
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Statutes & Constitution :View Statutes : Online Sunshine

A person who is absent from the place of his or her last known domicile for a continuous period of 5 years and whose absence is not satisfactorily explained after diligent search and inquiry is presumed to be dead.

I assume the money's in his account. How long does it take for the state of Florida to freeze the funds from the sales? Does the state of Florida even do such a thing in cases like this? I also assume that criminals do not expect to get caught - if a crime was committed and Ana didn't disappear on her own, which in my opinion seems unlikely.

 

[indicolite22]

That's what I was asking, has this media source determined that David is not a U.S. citizen? If so, their description of him makes sense. If they have not made that detrmination, then it is odd how they describe him as being of "a man of Serbian nationality."

IIRC, it was mentioned before that the husband has a dual citizenship (also nationality and citizenship aren't the same). He likely wasn't a US citizen at the time he got married at 22. He went to university in Europe.