Found Deceased Spain - Esther Dingley, from UK, missing in the Pyrenees, November 2020

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Did she have no food with her that she had to ask for fruit or something fresh? Is it odd to be heading uphill at that hour when it would be heading for dark?
I expect she was carrying dried food, that could only be cooked with a stove. That's to reduce the weight in your pack. She may have been carrying enough water, but needed a quick hit of glucose for energy.

ETA, you're right though, about her decision to carry on. It can be hard to 'wimp out', I'm lucky, I easily wimp out, but if I'm with a companion who refuses to, it's often a struggle to get them to turn back.
 
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I know a lot of people living the van life or in cabins or in small houses - with just one other person. None of them are having mental health issues or marital issues. <modsnip>

They had their ways of getting along. People with 5 dogs who live in a van usually live in a campground, not just a van by the side of the road.

Instead, I think RickShawFan's viewpoint is far more relevant (the Safety Third/Comfort Zone mentality).

While "the lifestyle" can be stressful, there are many other lifestyles that are also stressful.

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I'm going to quote Rick's excellent post below - to me, we get to question her decisions on her route through the mountains, we can try and learn from what happened. But to get into the domain of "living in a van with your SO is by its very nature a mental health challenge" is iffy territory.

Some of us have never been happier than living in such challenging situations - we are all different.



This is my concern, too and I'll say more about why. It's become a kind of widespread philosophy (Suzanne Morphew seems to have expressed similar ideas at one point). I follow base jumping closely...and, well, ALL of them are so far into this mentality that it's crazy. I'm an online "friend" of a wing suiter, someone I actually considered joining in one of her less scary adventures. She, like ED, posts tons of stuff about her exploits (including the death of an SO and the near death of a second SO). I am on various newsfeeds of hers and I do expect to wake up one morning and find out she's gone (but I've been thinking that for almost 10 years!)

Anyway, this woman I reference offers entire classes on "how to get over your terror and do it anyway." The main reason I wanted to visit one of these 3-5 day long sessions was to...look at it anthropologically? It's clearly a new subcultural movement. There are ways to do things safely (and this hike through the Pyrenees should have been well within many people's comfort zone - weather permitting).

My understanding is that the weather was good for ED's hike BUT that she did decide to ascend a peak where altitude issues could complicate matters and judgment. I think she was outfitted for the cold.

She further complicated things by taking 2 dogs (which could certainly up risk where footing was on scree). If she had stayed near trails the entire time, she would have been found by now (I think). I can imagine scenarios where the dogs were off leash and I know that people will risk their lives for dogs.

You are absolutely correct that even a minor accident could have incapacitated her and while I have never been to the Pyrenees, there's similar terrain here in California - and people are not always found by SAR...sometimes until years later. I think she may still be up there, unfound. At any rate, she chose a fairly high risk thing to do and actively combatted that internal alarm system.

It's a trend. I wish someone would write a Vanity Fair or similar article about this whole topic. COVID is allowing people to go far from home, for longer...
I agree with you about this fad for taking things to the extreme. I used to be associated with people who produce films on extreme adventurers: free climbers, people mountain biking down steep slopes, base jumping, anything under the sun as long as it was death defying. Large numbers of people love this stuff. Whenever someone would die, the response would always be "they died doing what they loved". What I object to is how often they die because they don't understand it's dangerous. I seriously asked them to balance the adrenalin rush of footage of speed and pounding music with some footage of ambulances and funeral music, with paramedics peeling the broken body from the rocks below, but of course, that's ridiculous, that would turn off their own audience.
 
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This post lands at random.

To suggest that a victim is missing due to mental illness is not victim friendly and certainly not in the spirit of Websleuths.

Just a reminder that we do not have any verified psychiatrists or mental health professionals posting in this thread. Some posts that are being judgmental of this couple's lifestyle, their mental health, and social media presence have been removed.

Apparently the couple left behind their stress-filled, material lifestyle 7 years ago and (as at the date of the article, Nov 22/2020) indications are that they were currently very happy living their newer, less conventional lifestyle without the usual trappings.

The BBC article that was linked earlier about their adventures starting in 2014 concludes with :

One campervan, two people and five dogs, and there are no plans to end the adventure, no matter how much they miss friends, family and the weekend trips they used to take to the beaches of Northumberland and hills of the Lake District.

They might currently be in separate countries but they are of one mind when asked what they plan to do next.

"We haven't got a clue," Dan smiles, and Esther nods enthusiastically.


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(captioned: They have no plans to end their adventure any time soon)
 
Yes Grouse. The photo was taken together with all the others at the pic de sauvegarde summit at the same time. Studying the mountains and the directions she is pointing to and the sunglasses reflections coupled with cloud formations and ground etc, it's taken with the others.

She posted them all on media on 21/11 except that photo she sent him which ( allegedly ) he received the day after on the 22/11 - I am not sure I believe that she sent it on the 22nd nor do I believe she climbed the same mountain, wearing the same kit and taking more pictures on the 22/11 and coincidentally, the cloud formations etc were the very same as the day before - impossible!!

You mention someone else having her phone - I can definitely see that as a possibility - then this person sent the photo to DC on " behalf " of Esther. Seems a tad far fetched but stranger things have happened.

I'd like to know for definite he received the picture on his phone on that day (22nd ) from Esther's phone and I am sure that aspect will be investigated/confirmed quite sharpish. If it is true that he did get it on 22/11, could it have been someone else using her phone who sent it - we may never know this answer by the way. It would be interesting if his movements were triangulated too.
It's a conundrum. Are you absolutely sure that selfie is at the summit of Sauveguard? I have been looking for other people's photos from that peak, without luck.

My thinking is, she hiked to a different, close-by summit, on the 21st. IMO, she would be focussed on enjoying the views, and wouldn't be checking her phone and logging in while actually on the peak of a mountain. That's really not a good habit to get into, wanting to send and receive messages while you are experiencing being on top of the world. You just take quick photos but don't even look to see if they're any good.

So then, maybe she sent the selfie from that day to Colegate, either that same night and he's just vague on when he received it, or she actually sent it to him the next day as part of a 'hello, I'm fine' message while taking a rest.

IMO, when he reported her missing he knew her planned route and searchers quickly learned from witnesses that she had been sighted on the 22nd climbing Sauveguard. The media compacted together the selfie with the witness statements as both being the 22nd, and why would he bother correcting them, what's important is finding his partner, who was indeed last seen at or headed to the peak.
 
So a repeat of my earlier timeline with updates - it may or may not be precisely accurate depending on news sources' accuracy:

Nov 19th - Met male hiker (plus another in foreground?) - no place mentioned in the post

Nov 21st - posted on instagram

Nov 22nd - spoke to Dan via Whats App and sent picture at Pico de Sauvegarde
Seen by witnesses in the afternoon going up the mountain (with no snow on the peak) as they came down and requesting fruit - Marti Vigo del Arco and friend

Nov 23rd - due to walk to Refuge Venasque?

Nov 25th - due to return home

Nov 28th - Dan reported on social media that she was missing and not heard from for 6 days

May not be accurate - please let me know of updates
 
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It looks as though their lives were about to change anyway, guess that will have had a bearing on how they were feeling - "from 1st January 2021, UK citizens will only be able to stay for 90 days in every 180 days in the Schengen Area. " according to Motorhoming in Europe After Brexit
Whether they will be allowed to stay in France or not depends on if they have settled status in France. If they have it now, before January 1, 2021, they can stay forever if they want. The rules for 90 days in every 180 days are for those UK citizens living in the UK, and visiting/spending the summer/winter in an EU country. The rules are very complicated but perhaps this can give some help.
https://dispatcheseurope.com/no-dea...tee-british-expats-post-brexit-grace-periods/
 
By the way I'd just like to mention that I don't think it odd at all that a couple who have spent 24/7 together for the last 6 years travelling round Europe might take time out to hike or explore without each other. I'd not last more than 3 weeks in the company of just one person. I'd think them odd if they didn't want time apart. I'd personally struggle without time spent with other friends and family. So I'd not read anything into them enjoying time apart.
 

Maybe but ...

The "we have no last location" is new I think, I thought it had been reported previously that they did have that info to place her on Pic Sauvegarde on 22/11.

Then we get information that the picture was possibly from the day before, posted on instagram 21/11.

Then we get the newly reported witness statements that do indicate she was up there on 22/11 and at a time that would make her descent a fairly risky one after sunset.
 
Did she have no food with her that she had to ask for fruit or something fresh? Is it odd to be heading uphill at that hour when it would be heading for dark?

Yes, it is not good practice to be heading uphill on a 1.5 hour hike to the top...at 3 pm. Sunset was at around 5:35 with civil twilight at around 4:50. Going down is often just as slow as going up. It's interesting the skier didn't mention the dogs.

She would have summited just 20-30 minutes before light began to fade and gotten back to the point where she was seen (still pretty far up) well after dark.

By the way I'd just like to mention that I don't think it odd at all that a couple who have spent 24/7 together for the last 6 years travelling round Europe might take time out to hike or explore without each other. I'd not last more than 3 weeks in the company of just one person. I'd think them odd if they didn't want time apart. I'd personally struggle without time spent with other friends and family. So I'd not read anything into them enjoying time apart.

I totally agree - however, I don't think it's a sign of mental difficulty, much less "depression" or anything like it.

However, many people around the world do live for long periods of time with just 1 other person (or alone) and they are fine. We are all different.

This particular couple had taken time apart prior to this (she had gone off solo hiking, I think his health problems made it harder for him).

My point is that we should not assume she was depressed or in a diagnosable state of mind merely because she went hiking alone. Or that they were having difficulties as a couple. This seemed to be their pattern long before COVID.

I do have questions. Where was Dan during all of this? Since some have assumed 2 people and 5 dogs were living in the camper van, that would mean that Dan and the 5 dogs were at the camper van - and yet it seems he called rescue from somewhere else and isn't present on scene. Is that correct? Do we know?

The one article says "they are currently in separate countries." What does that mean? Is he in UK? If so, he's staying somewhere other than the van, obviously. So they weren't in fact 24/7/365 together and somehow, he has another place to live.
 
It's a conundrum. Are you absolutely sure that selfie is at the summit of Sauveguard? I have been looking for other people's photos from that peak, without luck.
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I think @hitthenick has shown us very clearly that it was. When I saw his earlier post about the reflections in her sunglasses I looked more closely at the picture and could see very clearly that the mast and solar panel matched the ones on Pic de Sauvegarde summit in his google street view link, also in the post. No doubt in my own mind it was taken there.

I made some crude calculations based on that information that I thought the sun may have been SSE which makes the time much earlier than 4PM, but I could easily have been wrong.

@hitthenick also found posts that appeared to be from the same location dated 21/11 - I haven't seen those as I don't have an instagram account.

Now this latest witness report does seem to corroborate Esther being there on 22/11 at about the time Dan received the whatsapp message, and does imply she went up there a little late in the day when others were all coming down. A descent in the dark to get to the next refuge sounds risky but she may have had a powerful headtorch or may even have camped up there, it seems she went geared up for that eventuality form other posts.
 
Yes, it is not good practice to be heading uphill on a 1.5 hour hike to the top...at 3 pm. Sunset was at around 5:35 with civil twilight at around 4:50. Going down is often just as slow as going up.

I agree about going down being as slow, it certainly is in my case as my knees have got older, although some younger people I've hiked with seem to bound down by comparison.

It's interesting the skier didn't mention the dogs.

The dogs are in the UK I believe.

She would have summited just 20-30 minutes before light began to fade and gotten back to the point where she was seen (still pretty far up) well after dark.

I don't think she would have gone back to that point, I believe she planned a circular route so I think she would have descended via a different path. Also (as I said in a different post) wonder if she may have planned to camp up there or somewhere en route a bit lower down.
 
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I think @hitthenick has shown us very clearly that it was. When I saw his earlier post about the reflections in her sunglasses I looked more closely at the picture and could see very clearly that the mast and solar panel matched the ones on Pic de Sauvegarde summit in his google street view link, also in the post. No doubt in my own mind it was taken there.

I made some crude calculations based on that information that I thought the sun may have been SSE which makes the time much earlier than 4PM, but I could easily have been wrong.

@hitthenick also found posts that appeared to be from the same location dated 21/11 - I haven't seen those as I don't have an instagram account.

Now this latest witness report does seem to corroborate Esther being there on 22/11 at about the time Dan received the whatsapp message, and does imply she went up there a little late in the day when others were all coming down. A descent in the dark to get to the next refuge sounds risky but she may have had a powerful headtorch or may even have camped up there, it seems she went geared up for that eventuality form other posts.

The witness statement by the Olympic skier seems to place her at Pico de Sauvegarde mid afternoon on the 22nd November. This corroborates Dan's reported call and photo. Marti Vigo Del'Arco and pal report seeing her at 3pm and that it was approx 1hr 20 to the summit in non snow conditions. So if she just went to the top and then was returning she should have made it nearly back to where she started before night fall.

Sunset in the region was roughly 17.21 so she would have been near the bottom of the climb before darkness set. Search and rescue have explored the whole area and find it hard to imagine she is still there.

Another question this gives rise to is why she decided to got up the hill so late in the day. what was she doing before that?
 
DESAPARECIDO/A
MISSING / DISPARU / SCOMPARSA


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MARIA ESTHER DINGLEY

BENASQUE, HUESCA

Referencia: 20-03024


Persona desaparecida
MARIA ESTHER DINGLEY
Fecha de desaparición: 22/11/2020

Desaparecido hace: 11 días.

Desaparecido en: BENASQUE, HUESCA

Edad cuando desapareció: 37 años

Edad actual: 37 años

Descripción física
Altura: 1,70m
Peso: 60Kg
Tipo de pelo: Largo y Liso
Color de pelo: Rubio
Color de ojos: Marrones
Información adicional
Vestía Ropa De Montaña Negra Y Rosa,:Zapatillas La Sportiva. Desaparecida En La Montaña (Benasque)


SOS DESAPARECIDOS
AYÚDANOS A ENCONTRAR a MARIA ESTHER DINGLEY
 
"There has been no sign of life from Esther Dingley since a WhatsApp message was sent on November 22," according to Chief Warrant Officer Pierre Guillard of the Luchon PGHM.

The young woman had left from the Spanish side before the start of the second confinement to take advantage of more flexible movement conditions. She planned to make a loop around the Pic de Sauvegarde (2738 m) between Spain (where her car is parked) and France while spending a night at the Vénasque refuge.

Major search resources have been deployed on both sides of the border. As soon as information was received from the Guardia Civil, the Luchon PGHM, together with soldiers from the Luchon Mountain Gendarmerie Group and the CRS Montagne, with the help of a helicopter, surveyed the sector in which the hiker was supposed to be.

The rescuers have not yet been able to detect the yellow tent she had taken with her. Furthermore, her dark clothing could complicate the search at this time of year.

According to Chief Warrant Officer Guillard, the chances of finding this young woman alive are extremely low given the temperatures at this altitude.


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Faits divers. Pyrénées : une randonneuse britannique a disparu depuis une semaine
 
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