Found Deceased Spain - Esther Dingley, from UK, missing in the Pyrenees, November 2020

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  • #541
"Henry went to see her in Spain last May and I just can’t stop looking at the pictures he sent me. I can’t bear hearing my brother so upset - he had such a lovely time with her in Spain, he was so cockahoop and met the boyfriend.”

If this is correct, it sounds like after all these years together, her father just met her partner for the first time last May.

Aunt of missing hiker Esther Dingley fears she may have been kidnapped

Her father lives in Holland. She and her partner are on the move in their camper constantly. Yet it took 18 years?

It’s interesting to me about her familial relationship beyond her partner...if her Father just met her partner after 18 years. Have there been any mention of other family members that she may have had a closer relationship with. Not talking about protestations of love...I mean references to them actually having an active part in her life?

Well, someone’s got their dates/details mixed up somewhere: according to their social media Esther & her partner spent May together in SW France (not Spain) under lockdown. There are mentions of her parents on her social media too.

ETA: an a quick glance through their blog makes it clear that her partner knows her parents well, and from well before last May.
 
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  • #542
I totally agree that Occam tells us its likely she has had an accident somewhere and sadly not been found ...but ..and I'm not really one for "unlikely wild theories" at all...its not impossible the mystery hiker was around the area for days after she mentioned him
 
  • #543
Did we know before that the refuge was actually closed? (Apologies if it's a repetition)


Website: Accueil

Welcome to the Refuge de Venasque website.

This year and depending on the evolution of the coronavirus, the Venasque refuge will be open from June 18 to October 3, 2020.
 
  • #544
A poster on a newspaper commented that this photo looked odd and whether it had been photo shopped. I thought it looked as though ED was floating slightly above ground, so enlarged it on a bitter screen. There is a white line all around the outline of ED, not sure what would cause that.

I agree. It looks like she is photoshopped into place. The jagged edge around her suggests using selection tools to roughly eliminate a background. She should have a dark crisp shadow to match the rocks. There's something "off" with the photo.

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  • #545
IMHO the backpack was big and heavily loaded because she carried a sleeping bag, sleeping pad and a tent, plus food to stay overnight in the mountains. On their blog, there are pictures of the sleeping bag during the previous days, it is big, it looks comfy and makes me wonder how one rolls it up.

The key to what happened may be in the fact that she asked the Spanish hikers for a piece of fruit. This could be an indication that her glycogen levels were getting low, causing fatigue and loss of energy. Also known as hitting the wall, or the man with the hammer. If so, everything wasn't going as well as it should have been, and she better would have taken a rest, eaten some food and then gone back.
Instead she continued for an hour and 20 minutes (estimate of the Spanish hiker) and stretched herself. Perhaps too much.

This scenario could well lead to an accident, probably a fall. Depending where she was, she might have gone into the water / under the ice with full gear. That's how she never reached the Refuge in France. If she had set up her tent and camped nearby, the tent would have been found.

I think LE should have continued to search in the mountains while they could before snow fell, and not assumed she wasn't there so soon.
 
  • #546
I think LE should have continued to search in the mountains while they could before snow fell, and not assumed she wasn't there so soon.

They did search until the bad weather rolled in and have stated that if new information emerges they’ll go back, weather permitting.

I don’t personally believe that they *officially* assume she isn’t there.

ETA: added link and quote from Spanish LE:
Search for missing British hiker in Pyrenees halted due to bad weather

“The local Civil Guard said that searches were unlikely to resume until after the weekend. Serjeant Jorge Lopez Ramos, the head of the mountain rescue team, told reporters: "The chances of finding Esther alive are minimal and it leaves us with a very bitter taste in our mouths.”
 
  • #547
Did we know before that the refuge was actually closed? (Apologies if it's a repetition)


Website: Accueil

Welcome to the Refuge de Venasque website.

This year and depending on the evolution of the coronavirus, the Venasque refuge will be open from June 18 to October 3, 2020.

It seems to be possible to make a reservation:

Contact et réservations
 
  • #548
I agree. It looks like she is photoshopped into place. The jagged edge around her suggests using selection tools to roughly eliminate a background. She should have a dark crisp shadow to match the rocks. There's something "off" with the photo.

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Not looked that closely, but when it just blew up full size on my phone- there is a double edge to her outline and in front of her left foot there is a clump of grass/muck which overlaps the foot and the ground and looks like it has been placed on top as a separate item. That was before I read past your comment about photoshop, or looked at your close ups.
 
  • #549
I just thought I'd chip in on the subject of refuges for thise not familiar with them.
They vary in size and facilities, some are just cabins much like the bothies in Scotland with just a sleeping platform.
Some are quite elaborate with bunkrooms and mattresses, provide meals and sell food. The popular ones need to be booked in advance during the summer season because the get very busy.
However, even the bigger ones will have a season that they are fully open. In France this can generally operate from mid June to mid September which coincides with the 'transhumance' or seasonal movement of livestock to summer grazing in the mountains.
When they close for the season there tends to be a smaller cabin or bunkroom left open and unattended for the winter.
If there is no guardian at a refuge and no other walkers, then the only other way of knowing someone may have stayed there is an entry in the log or visitors book which is often present but not eveyone is in the habit of signing it.
 
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IMHO the backpack was big and heavily loaded because she carried a sleeping bag, sleeping pad and a tent, plus food to stay overnight in the mountains. On their blog, there are pictures of the sleeping bag during the previous days, it is big, it looks comfy and makes me wonder how one rolls it up.

The key to what happened may be in the fact that she asked the Spanish hikers for a piece of fruit. This could be an indication that her glycogen levels were getting low, causing fatigue and loss of energy. Also known as hitting the wall, or the man with the hammer. If so, everything wasn't going as well as it should have been, and she better would have taken a rest, eaten some food and then gone back.
Instead she continued for an hour and 20 minutes (estimate of the Spanish hiker) and stretched herself. Perhaps too much.

This scenario could well lead to an accident, probably a fall. Depending where she was, she might have gone into the water / under the ice with full gear. That's how she never reached the Refuge in France. If she had set up her tent and camped nearby, the tent would have been found.

It sounds like there are some questions in here along with some great points, so let me try to clarify.

-regarding the "big backpack". This could be a confusing observation because backpack size can be in the eyes of the beholder and it can also depend on the build of the person wearing it. In the scheme of things, ED doesn't have an especially large overnight backpack, and it's not a heavy model. Size is not noteworthy, in other words. It would just be a signifier of staying out overnight and not a day hike.
-it looked to me that she had an ultralight sleeping bag (yellow and black). I know it's in that category, because you can see the down fluff balls through they yellow fabric. Very expensive! This sleeping bag would compress very small. It would weigh, max, 2 lbs at a rating suitable for that location and date. I reckon it would stuff down to a 10"-11" tube of 6" diameter. The tube would be lying horizontally in the bottom of her pack.
-the pad ED has is a Cascade Designs ultralight inflatable. There are several models, and they pack up tiny. A tube 5" long x2" diameter may be about right.
-she evidently owned a tent, but she might not have had it with her if she was planning to stay at a refuge
-hopefully, she had long underwear, raingear, spare socks, and some extra layers in the pack. I get nervous when I see yoga pants for hiking, because there's no insulation or wind break.

ED's pack seems to be 58 liters. All the stuff I've mentioned here, plus food, water, water treatment, stove, pot, gas, would be <40 liters
The pack is not heavy. I can tell by how it works on her back. It's not making her stoop. It only weighs 20-25lbs. IMO

Is there a pool of water on the way down to the Refuge? I'm thinking she might have fallen in while trying to fill a water bottle.
 
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Is there a pool of water on the way down to the Refuge? I'm thinking she might have fallen in while trying to fill a water bottle.

Refuge Venasque has been closed since October 3rd though, so what other refuge could she have been planning to spend the night in? I agree, I think it's highly likely she could have fallen into water.
 
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Refuge Venasque has been closed since October 3rd though, so what other refuge could she have been planning to spend the night in? Regardless of that though, I think it's highly likely she could have fallen into water.
My understanding is that even if the refuge is closed, you can still stay there and make do. It might not have any amenities...
 
  • #554
I agree. It looks like she is photoshopped into place. The jagged edge around her suggests using selection tools to roughly eliminate a background. She should have a dark crisp shadow to match the rocks. There's something "off" with the photo.

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Particularly odd as it is reported in a newspaper the photo is one the mystery hiker took a day or so before ED's disappearance.
 
  • #555
It sounds like there are some questions in here along with some great points, so let me try to clarify.

-regarding the "big backpack". This could be a confusing observation because backpack size can be in the eyes of the beholder and it can also depend on the build of the person wearing it. In the scheme of things, ED doesn't have an especially large overnight backpack, and it's not a heavy model. Size is not noteworthy, in other words. It would just be a signifier of staying out overnight and not a day hike.
-it looked to me that she had an ultralight sleeping bag (yellow and black). I know it's in that category, because you can see the down fluff balls through they yellow fabric. Very expensive! This sleeping bag would compress very small. It would weigh, max, 2 lbs at a rating suitable for that location and date. I reckon it would stuff down to a 10"-11" tube of 6" diameter. The tube would be lying horizontally in the bottom of her pack.
-the pad ED has is a Cascade Designs ultralight inflatable. There are several models, and they pack up tiny. A tube 5" long x2" diameter may be about right.
-she evidently owned a tent, but she might not have had it with her if she was planning to stay at a refuge
-hopefully, she had long underwear, raingear, spare socks, and some extra layers in the pack. I get nervous when I see yoga pants for hiking, because there's no insulation or wind break.

ED's pack seems to be 58 liters. All the stuff I've mentioned here, plus food, water, water treatment, stove, pot, gas, would be <40 liters
The pack is not heavy. I can tell by how it works on her back. It's not making her stoop. It only weighs 20-25lbs. IMO

Is there a pool of water on the way down to the Refuge? I'm thinking she might have fallen in while trying to fill a water bottle.

Between the Salvaguardia and the Refuge Venasque there are the Lacs Boums du Port. There are more lakes to the west too.

Map: Hospice de France aux Boums et Port de Vénasque (Haute-Garonne 31) AAA Rando - ONVQF.over-blog.com
 
  • #556
My understanding is that even if the refuge is closed, you can still stay there and make do. It might not have any amenities...
I don't like the look of the ledge behind her in the photo, though it's not possible to know the depth on the other side.
Interesting, though other photos published don't have the white line around her. I never experienced the issue with a mobile phone.
 
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Particularly odd as it is reported in a newspaper the photo is one the mystery hiker took a day or so before ED's disappearance.

I don't know what to make of it - whether it's an artifact from a type of camera, or a photoshopped image.

Regarding the mystery photographer, hopefully someone has checked for metadata on the image. The name of the device and owner might be embedded in the original image.
 
  • #559
I don't know what to make of it - whether it's an artifact from a type of camera, or a photoshopped image.

Regarding the mystery photographer, hopefully someone has checked for metadata on the image. The name of the device and owner might be embedded in the original image.

I believe the photo was taken on Esther’s phone (or camera) by another person.
 
  • #560
Is this photo also photoshopped? I've blown it up and there's a white line all around her, especially noticeable around her walking sticks. But I don't know if that's how photos like this would normally present. Does anyone know?
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