Stacy Ann Peterson, Bolingbrook IL #13

[Littledeer]

Does the 2nd autopsy results count at all???

 

[Wudge]

The will, hand written from years prior, when her sister claims Kathleen had just rewritten a will and was about to get her the new will, the Power of Attorney Doc which has a signature of Kathleen's name that looks nothing like kathleen's sig, the testimony of the sons to Drew's actions, the testimony of Mary and her husband about the discovery of her body, the minister's testimony to what Stacy told him happened that night, the testimony of whoever we aren't aware of that Stacy may have told about this, letters to the SA about Drew's behavior, etc, etc..it may be circumstantial..but still all points in one direction..and in civil court that's really all they need. Sure Drew can appeal..and waste his money that way..in the mean time this buys the State more time to get their case together..which I hear has a surprise witness to Drew and Kathleen's relationship..a houseguest who knows exactly what went on after they were divorced.

I have yet to hear a handwriting expert say Drew signed for Kathleen. Moreover, what the Pastor allegedly was told is hearsay. And if the M.E. testifies for the defense, that should be all the defense needs.

 

[thesleuther]

I don't think anything we "know" is actually from an official source, as it's coming from the media, Sharon, and Cass. As I recall, LE only had one, very brief press conference in the beginning and none since. I've been mulling over what clues we do have, and although they're from the media, that's all we've got to go on.

I think, like Delta Dawn, that Stacy's body was transported in her car and not the Denali. But going over the time line, I'm trying to figure out how DP did it. Sharon reported that she went to the supermarket about 9:30am on October 28th, and got home about 11:00am. She said that Stacy's car wasn't in the driveway at that time. Sharon had purchased some lollipops for the children and about noon called the Peterson house to ask Stacy to bring the children over later so she could give them their treats. One of the two boys - Chris, I think, answered the phone and acted strangely - stammering, until DP took the phone and said that Stacy had gone to her grandfather's. Drew brought the children over about 1:00pm and Sharon babysat with them for about 15 minutes.

I'm trying to figure out when DP removed Stacy's body from the house? If her body was placed in her car, he would have had to put her in the car immediately after killing her, and then moved the car to Clow airport. The only other time would have been after he had Tom Morphey help him load that blue container and had taken Tom home. That would have been sometime after 10:00pm that night, and would have been under the cover of darkness.

First, from photos I recall seeing, Drew couldn't get a car into the garage. Because of that plus the fact that most of this took place during the day, I simply don't see how he could have put a body into her trunk during daylight hours. Also, the children were at home most of the day. Drew's line to them was that Stacy had left to go painting or something similar.

Since they were in the bedroom arguing, then it became silent, it looks like he killed her in the bedroom. I would think he kept her in there until he could get her into the blue "container" and then get help loading it into the Denali. That is the only plausible scenario that I can see based on what we pretty much know is true.

It looks like the Morphey story is believed by police since he is in protective custody. I don't think he transported her in her own car, the Denali is much easier because he needed help getting the container in. With the container being waist level in the Denali, he could have gotten it out, dropped it, and then dragged it by himself. If it were in a trunk, he would have had to bend down and lift........very difficult.

I also don't think he would have put the body in the car and then left the car at Clow airport. Too close to home, too much evidence, too much of a chance of discovery. Anyone could have discovered the car and made phone calls. If one of the family would have come looking earlier and then found the car, they would have looked inside. Drew had to keep control of the body and therefore most of the evidence until he could get rid of it. I think it is most likely that she was transported in the container that Thomas Morphey helped move into the Denali.

 

[DeltaDawn]

I have yet to hear a handwriting expert say Drew signed for Kathleen. Moreover, what the Pastor allegedly was told is hearsay. And if the M.E. testifies for the defense, that should be all the defense needs.

What leads you to believe the ME would testify for the defense..since they exhumed the body and redid the autopsy..mum has been the word from the new results..which even the original results were enough to send it to a coroner's jury. If it had been so cut and dried to begin with it never would have gone to a coroner's jury..that had a police officer on board. Too many mistakes made on that one Wudge.

We also cannot single out the pastor yet..suppose there are 3 or 4 other people with the same knowledge..then heresay or not , esspecially if a letter or journal entry is found to back it up..just to many GJ witnesses that had things to say and didn't take the 5th like old Drew did. Drew's day is coming..

 

[Wudge]

What leads you to believe the ME would testify for the defense..since they exhumed the body and redid the autopsy..mum has been the word from the new results..which even the original esults were enough to send it to a coroner's jury. If it had been so cut and dried to begin with it never would have gone to a coroner's jury..that had a police officer on board. Too many mistakes made on that one Wudge.

We also cannot single out the pastor yet..suppose there are 3 or 4 other people with the same knowledge..then heresay or not , esspecially if a letter or journal entry is found to back it up..just to many GJ witnesses that had things to say and didn't take the 5th like old Drew did.

In civil cases, the standard is more or less "probable".

Question to the M.E: Did you classify Kathleen's death as murder?

NO

Next question: In your EXPERT opinion, is it "probable" that Kathleen was murdered?

NO

No further questions.



(I go through these questions with each investigating officer as well.)

 

[christine2448]

The chat room is open if anyone is interested in chatting about this case! Come in anytime you all want to talk real time! Open even if a mod is not present--just behave ok?

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put your nick in the top space, then type websleuths in the place for channel.

 

[Anita Richman]

LE didn't find her body in the pond. And the obvious party line does not have her car being used to transport her body.

I personally don't follow that party line.

Couldn't some evidence (towels/blankets that her body rested upon, for instance, during/after murder which retained body fluids OR the infamous bikini, which had been used as a murder weapon) been weighted down and dumped in the pond? Which would be a reason for the cadaver dogs to hit there? Unlike a body, gases wouldn't build up and cause that kind of evidence to float or be washed ashore.

 

[DeltaDawn]

In civil cases, the standard is more or less "probable".

Question to the M.E: Did you classify Kathleen's death as murder?

NO

Next question: In your EXPERT opinion, is it "probable" that Kathleen was murdered?

NO

No further questions.



(I go through these questions with each investigating officer as well.)

On the new inquest if that's what we should call it..the ME has not given an opinion..on the last he thought it was suspisious (SP) so it had to go to a coroner's jury..which they have now thankfully done away with. So as far as I know , he has not stated his opinion as of yet.

 

[robthomaseyes]

Something just occurred to me. Here's a what-if timeline.

Kills Stacy, drives her body in her car (in a container) to the airport, put her into the pond temporarily. Meets TM later at the coffee shop. Goes back home (stopping near Rosetto's house to frame him with the ping); gets home, stuffs anything - old clothes, newspapers etc. - into a container to have something for TM to help move (maybe he'd told TM originally to meet him to help move something, just as an excuse to get him to witness the phone ringing with Stacy's name). After he drops of fTM, he goes back to the pond, fishes out stacy, brings her elsewhere, and gets back home, presumably unseen - which is good for him since he's probably wet and dirty at this point.

Okay, there are problems, like putting a body into a pond in broad daylight, but then again, who knows how busy it is on a Sunday? Just my rambling thoughts...

One more rambling thought. maybe he had TM come to the house because he wanted his DNA in their bedroom. He might have figured that hair or clothing fibers would be left behind, which could implicate him in something.

 

[Anita Richman]

Something just occurred to me. Here's a what-if timeline.

Kills Stacy, drives her body in her car (in a container) to the airport, put her into the pond temporarily. Meets TM later at the coffee shop. Goes back home (stopping near Rosetto's house to frame him with the ping); gets home, stuffs anything - old clothes, newspapers etc. - into a container to have something for TM to help move (maybe he'd told TM originally to meet him to help move something, just as an excuse to get him to witness the phone ringing with Stacy's name). After he drops of fTM, he goes back to the pond, fishes out stacy, brings her elsewhere, and gets back home, presumably unseen - which is good for him since he's probably wet and dirty at this point.

Okay, there are problems, like putting a body into a pond in broad daylight, but then again, who knows how busy it is on a Sunday? Just my rambling thoughts...

One more rambling thought. maybe he had TM come to the house because he wanted his DNA in their bedroom. He might have figured that hair or clothing fibers would be left behind, which could implicate him in something.

How about:

Kills her using her bikini...she happens to be standing on towels or a blanket or something else that absorbs bodily fluids.

Puts body in bags, in the trunk of her vehicle to buy time (obviously a passerby couldn't see into the trunk). Brings blue container into the bedroom, probably half full of chemicals.

Calls TM, has him meet at the coffee shop, leaves cellphone with TM (to throw off "pings" later) goes home, uses Stacey's cellphone to call his own cellphone to throw TM and LE off.

Drives Stacy's car to pond, disposes of rags/towels/blankets, knowing they won't float or wash ashore.

Goes to unknown location (but somewhere he's been before, he is confident he won't be seen and her body won't be located.) Dumps/buries/sinks/whatever the body. Easily moves her 125 lb body, doesn't need anyone's help at this point.

Drops the car off, has accomplish take him back to his car, which he then drives back to the coffeeshop and picks up TM. Tells TM he needs him to help move "something"; has Tom help him move blue container into the Denali, knowing that TM will rat him out to cops.

During this time he is "busted", breathless and with car dinging in background, says Stacy is at home.

 

[Wudge]

I personally don't follow that party line.

Couldn't some evidence (towels/blankets that her body rested upon, for instance, during/after murder which retained body fluids OR the infamous bikini, which had been used as a murder weapon) been weighted down and dumped in the pond? Which would be a reason for the cadaver dogs to hit there? Unlike a body, gases wouldn't build up and cause that kind of evidence to float or be washed ashore.

Cadaver dogs hit on death scents or falsely hit. A death scent is a death scent. It is not person specific.

 

[DeltaDawn]

Wudge..what is your opinion of where Drew would have killed her if he were to kill her?

 

[Wudge]

Wudge..what is your opinion of where Drew would have killed her if he were to kill her?

Assigning case legend to a non-premeditated murder, in the house.

 

[nanandjim]

www.richardmims.com Blog by former Drew friend.

 

[Anita Richman]

Cadaver dogs hit on death scents or falsely hit. A death scent is a death scent. It is not person specific.

That wasn't my question. You were saying that the pond was a "false hit" as in the dogs wrongly hit there. The dogs would hit on the "death scent" if it was on towels submerged in the pond or a body submerged in the pond. I was merely suggesting that there wasn't a body dumped there, just the evidence.

 

[Wudge]

That wasn't my question. You were saying that the pond was a "false hit" as in the dogs wrongly hit there. The dogs would hit on the "death scent" if it was on towels submerged in the pond or a body submerged in the pond. I was merely suggesting that there wasn't a body dumped there, just the evidence.

No body was found. No evidence that related to a body was found.

 

[Anita Richman]

No body was found. No evidence that related to a body was found.

Wudge, was the pond dredged or drained?

 

[Wudge]

Wudge, was the pond dredged or drained?

Not to my knowledge.

 

[philamena]

According to this report, the pond near the Peterson home was drained.
http://video.aol.com/video-detail/pond-drained-near-stacy-petersons-home/1900195184

 

[Anita Richman]

Not to my knowledge.

So, potentially a bundle of death-scented-fabric (towels, sweat suit or blankets which might have soaked up bodily fluids OR the death-scented murder weapon) could have been submerged in the pond, the murderer knowing that the bundle was not likely to float to the surface or wash up on shore?