Stacy Ann Peterson, Bolingbrook IL #13

[DeltaDawn]

I found this over at CTV boards about Pam Bosco speaking with Greta.


http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?postid=11106547#post11106547

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[FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica]Greta Van Sustern "On the Record" Update:

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[FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica]Summary of text message story that has been circulating.[/FONT]
[FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica]GVS: Pam, what do you think about this news about the message?[/FONT]
[FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica]Pam Bosco: As I've said before, with all the other anonymous tips they've brought forward, there's not much LE can do with this information since the message came from a public domain site. There is no information that SP was having an affair of any kind. ISP does not believe that SP had an affair either. ISP has cleared Scott Rosetto of all suspicion. I have not spoken with anyone in the family at all, but CC has. CC has spoken with the kids, but nothing in depth with DP. The family speaks with ISP regularly and know that they are going full speed ahead. We can't say what will happen in time, we don't know what they will bring forth. We just have to be patient. Thomas Morphey is with ISP in custody and he is somewhere with them. I understand no one is allowed to speak to him.[/FONT]
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[SeriouslySearching]

Unless cases can be woven into the presidential campaigns...we probably aren't going to hear about any of them!

 

[thesleuther]

I found this over at CTV boards about Pam Bosco speaking with Greta.


http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?postid=11106547#post11106547

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[FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica]Greta Van Sustern "On the Record" Update:

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[FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica]Summary of text message story that has been circulating.[/FONT]
[FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica]GVS: Pam, what do you think about this news about the message?[/FONT]
[FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica]Pam Bosco: As I've said before, with all the other anonymous tips they've brought forward, there's not much LE can do with this information since the message came from a public domain site. There is no information that SP was having an affair of any kind. ISP does not believe that SP had an affair either. ISP has cleared Scott Rosetto of all suspicion. I have not spoken with anyone in the family at all, but CC has. CC has spoken with the kids, but nothing in depth with DP. The family speaks with ISP regularly and know that they are going full speed ahead. We can't say what will happen in time, we don't know what they will bring forth. We just have to be patient. Thomas Morphey is with ISP in custody and he is somewhere with them. I understand no one is allowed to speak to him.[/FONT]
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LE must believe his story completely and must also believe that Drew is extremely dangerous. We know the latter to be true for certain.

Morphey must be the key witness.

 

[Leila]

I found this over at CTV boards about Pam Bosco speaking with Greta.


http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?postid=11106547#post11106547

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[FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica]Snicker[/FONT]
[FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica]Greta Van Sustern "On the Record" Update:

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[FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica]Summary of text message story that has been circulating.[/FONT]
[FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica]GVS: Pam, what do you think about this news about the message?[/FONT]
[FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica]Pam Bosco: As I've said before, with all the other anonymous tips they've brought forward, there's not much LE can do with this information since the message came from a public domain site. There is no information that SP was having an affair of any kind. ISP does not believe that SP had an affair either. ISP has cleared Scott Rosetto of all suspicion. I have not spoken with anyone in the family at all, but CC has. CC has spoken with the kids, but nothing in depth with DP. The family speaks with ISP regularly and know that they are going full speed ahead. We can't say what will happen in time, we don't know what they will bring forth. We just have to be patient. Thomas Morphey is with ISP in custody and he is somewhere with them. I understand no one is allowed to speak to him.[/FONT]
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I've felt all along, ever since we learned of Thomas Morphey's involvement, that he was being protected by LE. He's probably the key witness.

There's two others that I've wondered about. One is the neighbor who witnessed DP and an unidentified man moving a blue barrel into DP's Denali. Considering how the news media interviews anyone that's involved in a case, how is it that no media has ever sought out the neighbor who witnessed the barrel being moved? I would expect someone like Greta to interview the neighbor, asking such questions as:

- what time did you witness the barrel being moved?
- where were you when you saw this?
- how long did you observe DP and the other man?
- can you describe the unidentified man?
- did you see any other cars in the Peterson driveway? Stacy's car?
- did the two men struggle to lift the barrel as if it was heavy?

Yet, the neighbor has never been identified or interviewed. It's as if the ISP told all media, "this witness is off limits."

The other person who has remained a mystery is Mary P, the next door neighbor and best friend of Kathleen Savio, who was involved in seaching Kathleen's house the night she was found. Where Steve Carcerano has been interviewed ad nauseum about finding Kathleen's body in the bathtub, there's been no interviews with Mary P who was also present when Kathleen was found.

I can't help but think that these three people have important information as key witnesses, and LE is keeping the media away from them.

 

[paddy01]

Fox news & Nancy Grace 1/25 human remains (foot & leg) sorry if too graphic, found near blue garbage can by river Southwest Chicago. Nancy ask could this be Stacy? An autopsy will be performed tomorrow.

 

[philamena]

paddy,
There is also a thread about this here somewhere.

 

[Leila]

I'm torn in two directions on this case..............

I think Drew Peterson killed Stacy in the heat of an argument. He didn't plan on killing her, at least not that day, not with the two older boys at home and in the house. Without any planning, he had to think on his feet and get her body out of the house and disposed of before anyone raised the alarm. He thought he might have as much as 24-48 hours to dispose of Stacy before anyone realized she was missing. He had to think and act quickly and he need some help in order to pull this off.

We know he enlisted his step-brother, Tom Morphey, to help carry a blue container out of the house late Sunday night - Oct. 28th. After about 10:00pm that night Drew Peterson's whereabouts are unknown. When Cassandra went to the Peterson house at about 11:00pm, Drew wasn't home, and when she called Drew's cell phone about 11:30pm, he was out of breath and she heard the sound of car keys. Drew lied, saying he was home, but Cassandra was parked in view of the Peterson home an knew he wasn't home. When Cassandra drove past the Peterson house a few hours later, at 2:30am Monday morning, both Drew's and Stacy's cars were in the driveway. Recently there's been evidence to suggest that Drew's friend, Mike Robinson, may have helped Drew move Stacy's car.

Here's where I'm torn. Drew Peterson impresses me as a man of low intelligence. I can't see him pulling off the perfect murder, disposing of a body in a way that it won't ever be found, especially considering that he had no pre-planning. I think he murdered his third wife, Kathleen Savio, and in that case there's a lot of circumstantial evidence that was overlooked at the time because Kathleen's death remained a very local event. There's evidence to suggest a cover-up or at the least, lack of investigation.

When it came to Stacy's disappearance, Drew thought her disappearance could be covered up with a story that she ran off with another man. If it had stayed a local event, like Kathleen's death, he might have been able to pull that off. Drew had no idea that Stacy's disappearance would become a nationwide media event. He had no idea that his actions would be closely scrutinized. So, I don't see how he would be able to pull off the murder and disposal of Stacy's body without making mistakes.

On the other hand, with all the searches that have taken place and still no body after three months (tomorrow marks the 3-month anniversary), it would appear that Drew Peterson did pull off the impossible. And then we've got Drew Peterson's arrogance and his strong air of confidence. He struts around as if he knows a body will never be found.

So, I'm torn between believing that Drew Peterson could not possibly pull of the perfect murder and dispose of Stacy's body so it would never be found, and believing that he did, in fact, do just that.

 

[TGIRecovered]

Nice post Lelia. I agree that DrewP is not all that smart.

My theory about the murder is similar, in that he did not plan to kill her at that exact time.

I do believe that since Drew had the experience of killing Kathleen, he probably had spent a significant amount of time over the years, second-guessing what he could have done better; like how he could have disposed of the body. Remember, all this time since Kathleen's death, the thought that Stacy might someday expose him as the murderer (triggering an exhumation), had to cross his mind. He probably wished that he had gotten rid of Kathleen,s body insted of leaving her to be found in the tub. This second-guessing would come in handy several years later when it became apparent to him that Stacy had plans to leave him.

I think that he did give some thought to the disposal method, but I agree that he had no conception of how quickly he would have to do it, and no idea that multiple agencies in the vicinity and the feds would become involved to this extent. The national media exposure was a very un-wanted complication, until he finished up with the disposal and cover-up and began to enjoy the spotlight.

He had to put a rush on his original plan, but I believe he used the first few days after the murder to hide from the cops and the press while he tidied up loose ends. No way he did a perfect cover-up. It just seems that way because LE has so many rules they have to go by in order to satisfy the courts. DrewP has no such restrictions, he does whatever it takes, legal or not.

Keep talking, Drew. Keep talking.

Susan

 

[Leila]

TGIRecovered,
Thanks. Do you think those few days that Drew disappeared "to clear his head" were spent in the final disposal of Stacy's body? There's never been a satisfactory explanation for Drew's disappearance. He left the kids in the care of his son, Steve, and left. I think it was during this time that he did spend some time staying at Mike Robinson's house.

I wonder if, in the first 12 to 18 hours he only placed Stacy's body somewhere on a temporary basis, and during those few days that he was gone, made a more permanent disposal.

I also wonder............how much does LE know about Drew's whereabouts during those few days? Is Mike Robinson involved? I don't have good vibes about Mike Robinson, and think there's a good possibility he helped Drew after the fact.

 

[chiperoni]

TGIRecovered,
Thanks. Do you think those few days that Drew disappeared "to clear his head" were spent in the final disposal of Stacy's body? There's never been a satisfactory explanation for Drew's disappearance. He left the kids in the care of his son, Steve, and left. I think it was during this time that he did spend some time staying at Mike Robinson's house.

I wonder if, in the first 12 to 18 hours he only placed Stacy's body somewhere on a temporary basis, and during those few days that he was gone, made a more permanent disposal.

I also wonder............how much does LE know about Drew's whereabouts during those few days? Is Mike Robinson involved? I don't have good vibes about Mike Robinson, and think there's a good possibility he helped Drew after the fact.

tnx for the link above pertaining to murder conviction without a body/ People have been convicted of murder without the body. I also suspect Drew is being watched wherever he goes just like Scott Peterson. Scott never made it to the border even though he was in San Diego at the time. They knew where he was all the time. Here's another link about conviction without a body. It is not all that rare.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/ericzorn/chi-zorn13nov13,1,2673610.column

 

[thesleuther]

I'm torn in two directions on this case..............

I think Drew Peterson killed Stacy in the heat of an argument. He didn't plan on killing her, at least not that day, not with the two older boys at home and in the house. Without any planning, he had to think on his feet and get her body out of the house and disposed of before anyone raised the alarm. He thought he might have as much as 24-48 hours to dispose of Stacy before anyone realized she was missing. He had to think and act quickly and he need some help in order to pull this off.

We know he enlisted his step-brother, Tom Morphey, to help carry a blue container out of the house late Sunday night - Oct. 28th. After about 10:00pm that night Drew Peterson's whereabouts are unknown. When Cassandra went to the Peterson house at about 11:00pm, Drew wasn't home, and when she called Drew's cell phone about 11:30pm, he was out of breath and she heard the sound of car keys. Drew lied, saying he was home, but Cassandra was parked in view of the Peterson home an knew he wasn't home. When Cassandra drove past the Peterson house a few hours later, at 2:30am Monday morning, both Drew's and Stacy's cars were in the driveway. Recently there's been evidence to suggest that Drew's friend, Mike Robinson, may have helped Drew move Stacy's car.

Here's where I'm torn. Drew Peterson impresses me as a man of low intelligence. I can't see him pulling off the perfect murder, disposing of a body in a way that it won't ever be found, especially considering that he had no pre-planning. I think he murdered his third wife, Kathleen Savio, and in that case there's a lot of circumstantial evidence that was overlooked at the time because Kathleen's death remained a very local event. There's evidence to suggest a cover-up or at the least, lack of investigation.

When it came to Stacy's disappearance, Drew thought her disappearance could be covered up with a story that she ran off with another man. If it had stayed a local event, like Kathleen's death, he might have been able to pull that off. Drew had no idea that Stacy's disappearance would become a nationwide media event. He had no idea that his actions would be closely scrutinized. So, I don't see how he would be able to pull off the murder and disposal of Stacy's body without making mistakes.

On the other hand, with all the searches that have taken place and still no body after three months (tomorrow marks the 3-month anniversary), it would appear that Drew Peterson did pull off the impossible. And then we've got Drew Peterson's arrogance and his strong air of confidence. He struts around as if he knows a body will never be found.

So, I'm torn between believing that Drew Peterson could not possibly pull of the perfect murder and dispose of Stacy's body so it would never be found, and believing that he did, in fact, do just that.

I agree with several points and have some things to add to others.

First, I don't think he planned to murder Stacy on the day that she disappeared.

I have a tendency to believe the Morphey story for several reasons. It seems to have credibility. And with his apparently being in protective custody with LE, that lends even more credence to the story.

I agree with you in that I don't think Drew is extremely intelligent. However, I do think he has a lot of "street smarts." With 30 years on the police force, he knows a lot about crime, criminal activity, actions of LE in the light of investigating crimes, etc.

With Kathleen's murder, he thought he was extremely bright as he had gotten away with a lot over the years (the stalking & abusive behavior toward his exes as well as some police shenanigans). This shouldn't have been a crime that he got away with, but he did. Therefore, he had a lot of confidence going forward. That was a huge mistake. A small time with a lot of confidence is going to slip up.

I believe he planned to do away with Stacy if things didn't go quite right. In other words, I think he was trying to keep her but developed an alternative plan if she decided she was definitely going to leave him.

That being said, I've begun to wonder if Drew didn't have a dump site already chosen. Think for a moment....he doesn't want to lose his wife. But, she either stays with him or she has to be gotten rid of. She CANNOT leave under any circumstances; she KNOWS TOO MUCH and it would really cost him financially.....just as he's getting ready to retire with a nice income.

What if he had a grave already dug and waiting in case it was needed? With all his years on the BPD, he has to know a lot of places that are difficult to reach and not well populated. It would help to explain why a body hasn't been found. Also, Drew certainly knows that you CAN be tried without a body, but it is much harder. That was a key element to the crime. The body had to be well hidden.

I do believe, though, that Drew hasn't committed the perfect crime. I have a tendency to think that if you plan really well, and you know crime investigation as Drew does, that you may very well be able to pull of a nearly perfect crime. But, I do think that things got out of hand before he anticipated and therefore, he had to have made mistakes.

I'm not losing faith because Stacy hasn't been found; there are just so many places she could be, and that's why I have begun to think that the site was ready and waiting. A horrible thought, but Drew is a horrible man.

Drew Peterson is a street-smart who has committed one crime too many. I believe he will pay for both Kathleen and Stacy. JMO

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Maybe he did find a way to "bury" her within the confines of his home or his property and LE overlooked it. This way he knows for a fact since they have not found her there...she isn't going to be found in their searches of water or woods.

 

[philamena]

That's exactly what I think. He's a little too smug for my liking when he states that Stacy isn't going to be found. I think he made sure she'll never be found.
On the other hand I still can't believe DP hasn't been charged yet, blows my mind.
Surely someone saw the driving around the night Stacy disappeared.
She didn't fall off the face of the earth.
(I have to remember others like Tara G who've never been found.)

 

[Anita Richman]

Maybe he did find a way to "bury" her within the confines of his home or his property and LE overlooked it. This way he knows for a fact since they have not found her there...she isn't going to be found in their searches of water or woods.

I think anyone involved in LE would bury/dispose of the body as far away as possible...to leave a reasonable doubt regarding their involvement if the body is ever recovered.

 

[curiositycat]

That's exactly what I think. He's a little too smug for my liking when he states that Stacy isn't going to be found. I think he made sure she'll never be found.
On the other hand I still can't believe DP hasn't been charged yet, blows my mind.
Surely someone saw the driving around the night Stacy disappeared.
She didn't fall off the face of the earth.
(I have to remember others like Tara G who've never been found.)

I agree! I cannot believe he hasn't been at least charged with the murder of Kathy Savio. They do have her body.

 

[philamena]

curiositycat,
We can cross our fingers and hope that he'll be arrested and charged with Kathy's murder soon. I mean he's only gotten away with her murder for years.:furious:

 

[Vegas Bride]

curiositycat,
We can cross our fingers and hope that he'll be arrested and charged with Kathy's murder soon. I mean he's only gotten away with her murder for years.:furious:

This is what burns me up, there he was having a grand old time with all his toys and there was poor Kathleen beaten to death and buried, her murder so easily ignored all this time.

VB

 

[Tom'sGirl]

This is what burns me up, there he was having a grand old time with all his toys and there was poor Kathleen beaten to death and buried, her murder so easily ignored all this time.
VB

I don't think you mean Kathleen was buried.

The Autopsy does indicate she had been beaten, but that was not the COD. Her cause of death was not changed from Drowning. However, in the first Autopsy it was ruled 'Accidental" and now has been determined as Homicide.

 

[philamena]

This is what burns me up, there he was having a grand old time with all his toys and there was poor Kathleen beaten to death and buried, her murder so easily ignored all this time.

VB

No lie!! Poor Kathy...maybe she'll get justice soon.

 

[DeltaDawn]

Stacy could be in water, in the ground, in the woods, in a field. When you look at Bollingbrock and the surrounding areas the possible disposal areas are many. This is not an easy task for the police. But I do think that Drew or someone he trusts has been back to visit the area to know that it is undisturbed. The only reason I believe that is because of his cockiness...otherwise he would be having second thoughts. And I do think he has had them..that's why I feel either he or someone close to him has checked to be sure that Stacy is still undetected. These guys normally have a need to return to the disposal place..Drew even did with Kathleen..my bet being that he had to check to make sure she hadn't been found or wasn't there alive...otherwise why would he have pushed to go into the house a day after her death....he wondered if she somehow did live and was already in a safe house somewhere..the guilt and not knowing was eating him up at that point in time and he needed to have the situation done, over with and resolved.