Stacy Ann Peterson, Bolingbrook IL #13

[Anita Richman]

You'd think that LE would question any cops that had partnered with the Old Goat about areas they had "investigated" together. How about where DP grew up? Were there any old wells or sinkholes that could be used to conceal a body?

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Where did he grow up? I am sure we covered that before, but my mind is a total blank on that point now.

Anita...Drew isn't your average policeman. He is a narcissist. He doesn't think or act like a normal cop. He wouldn't think twice about keeping her around if he felt certain they would not find her and since they didn't...he would be gloating. Oh wait...he is!

 

[DeltaDawn]

I'm thinking Alex Morelli (SP) and Mike Robinson know alot more then they are saying. I still think Mike's fingerprints showed up somewhere in the crime venue that they shouldn't have been. Things seemed to take a different turn after his arrest.

 

[Leila]

I agree with several points and have some things to add to others.

First, I don't think he planned to murder Stacy on the day that she disappeared.

I have a tendency to believe the Morphey story for several reasons. It seems to have credibility. And with his apparently being in protective custody with LE, that lends even more credence to the story.

I agree with you in that I don't think Drew is extremely intelligent. However, I do think he has a lot of "street smarts." With 30 years on the police force, he knows a lot about crime, criminal activity, actions of LE in the light of investigating crimes, etc.

With Kathleen's murder, he thought he was extremely bright as he had gotten away with a lot over the years (the stalking & abusive behavior toward his exes as well as some police shenanigans). This shouldn't have been a crime that he got away with, but he did. Therefore, he had a lot of confidence going forward. That was a huge mistake. A small time with a lot of confidence is going to slip up.

I believe he planned to do away with Stacy if things didn't go quite right. In other words, I think he was trying to keep her but developed an alternative plan if she decided she was definitely going to leave him.

That being said, I've begun to wonder if Drew didn't have a dump site already chosen. Think for a moment....he doesn't want to lose his wife. But, she either stays with him or she has to be gotten rid of. She CANNOT leave under any circumstances; she KNOWS TOO MUCH and it would really cost him financially.....just as he's getting ready to retire with a nice income.

What if he had a grave already dug and waiting in case it was needed? With all his years on the BPD, he has to know a lot of places that are difficult to reach and not well populated. It would help to explain why a body hasn't been found. Also, Drew certainly knows that you CAN be tried without a body, but it is much harder. That was a key element to the crime. The body had to be well hidden.

I do believe, though, that Drew hasn't committed the perfect crime. I have a tendency to think that if you plan really well, and you know crime investigation as Drew does, that you may very well be able to pull of a nearly perfect crime. But, I do think that things got out of hand before he anticipated and therefore, he had to have made mistakes.

I'm not losing faith because Stacy hasn't been found; there are just so many places she could be, and that's why I have begun to think that the site was ready and waiting. A horrible thought, but Drew is a horrible man.

Drew Peterson is a street-smart who has committed one crime too many. I believe he will pay for both Kathleen and Stacy. JMO

I agree that DP didn't plan on killing Stacy that particular day, and I do feel he had considered other options. By his own admission, DP said that Stacy was moody in the year since the death of her sister, Tina, and regularly asked for a divorce. He attributed her moodiness to her cycle rather than admit that it was his behavior that was the problem. In that last year before Stacy disappeared, DP probably thought about what could happen if Stacy divorced him. Stacy knew that he had murdered Kathleen, and could expose him. He couldn't let that happen, so he made plans for what he would do if she did leave him or consulted an attorney.

It's very possible he had a burial site prepared, or at the very least, he had given a lot of thought to an isolated place that was well away from Bolingbrook, outside the likely search areas, yet close enough to get to in an hour or so. I do believe Stacy is not close to Bolingbrook.

In regards to Thomas Morphey, I wholeheartedly agree that his participation is credible. I don't think LE would place him in protective custody without having thoroughly checked out his story and backing it up with other sources or evidence.

In the last couple of weeks, I've thought about the possibility that DP may have had more help after the fact. The few days that DP took to "clear his head" bother me. I think it's very possible that on the night of Oct. 28/morning of Oct. 29, DP placed Stacy's body someplace on a temporary basis. Later, he and/or accomplices disposed of Stacy's body on a permanent basis, perhaps in a location already chosen or prepared.

 

[Tom'sGirl]

Where did he grow up? I am sure we covered that before, but my mind is a total blank on that point now.

I gather from this article that he grew up in that general area, at least went to High School in Villa Park.

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At Willowbrook High School in Villa Park, Carol Brown and Drew Peterson met through a friend of Peterson's, who was a senior at the time. Back then, Brown said, she was drawn to his charismatic and outspoken personality.

"He was very outgoing, always told a lot of jokes," she said. "He was very confident."

The couple went on dates, with Peterson bringing her flowers, taking her to movies and his senior prom.

Three years later, in 1974, they married. After Peterson briefly attended the College of DuPage, the couple moved to Falls Church, Va., where he trained as a military police officer.

"That was always his ambition to be a police officer," she said.

They later moved to Bolingbrook....SNIPPED

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-brown_18_webnov18,0,7591973.story


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[Leila]

I'm thinking Alex Morelli (SP) and Mike Robinson know alot more then they are saying. I still think Mike's fingerprints showed up somewhere in the crime venue that they shouldn't have been. Things seemed to take a different turn after his arrest.

I think Alex Morelli may have played a role after Kathleen's death in helping DP gain access to her estate. I don't know if he's been implicated in the disappearance of Stacy.

I agree about Mike Robinson. LE seemed to shift their focus after Mike Robinson's arrest.

There's too much about Mike Robinson that's suspicious. DP spent time staying at Mike Robinson's home for a few days after Stacy disappeared. Later, Ric Mims described Mike Robinson coming to the Peterson home while he was there and writing on a piece of paper that the house was bugged. He had brought a cell phone to replace the one taken by police, and gave DP a piece of paper with the phone number of someone to call. Ric said that DP and Mike Robinson shredded their written communications. That's strange, if not bizarre, behavior.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Thanks, TG!! Looks like that puts us in the same area as they are searching then.

There IS something about Michael Robinson that is very curious. When he refused a LD test, I thought that was the first red flag. If he was simply a buddy with nothing to hide...why would he worry about taking a LD test?! Then we heard about the phone and the clandestine type meeting with DP from Ric. Yes, he has a stake in this somewhere.

 

[txsvicki]

A friend of mine came up with a possibility and I wonder if anyone here has discussed this. Could DP have taken a young woman after Stacy went missing and after he knew the blue barrel story leaked out, killed the woman, and dumped her where she was sure to be found eventually. In other words, making it seem that there is a serial killer or to cause confusion about blue barrels?

 

[thesleuther]

I'm thinking about the possibility of help......and I just don't see that. I think the Morphey story is true and the only reason Drew asked for help is that he was truly desperate. He had his wife's body around and that needed to be gotten out of the house. Morphey had a history of mental problems and Drew thought he could use that if Morphey talked. And he did.

Drew knows all about crime investigation. He knew that one of the first things would be a search of his home with dogs.....both cadaver and otherwise. If I remember correctly, the cadaver dogs did get a "hit." That's why LE determined early on that it was highly unlikely she was alive.

That being said, she can't possibly be on the premises or close by. I still lean toward a place that he knew about from his police work.

Remember that even as far back as the engagement after his first marriage....that woman as well as wife #2 and wife #3, Drew told all these women that he could kill them and make it look like an accident. That is obviously what he did with Kathleen. And it would have stayed that way if not for wife #4's disappearance.

What I'm leading up to is that I think Drew had contingency plans should Stacy leave. And I think that he already either had a burial place ready or had many in his mind. Obviously, he had to act before he planned.

I don't know what to say about this Mike Robinson guy not wanting to take a lie detector test. It could be for many reasons, but I doubt that it has to do with his participation in murder. I just don't see anyone helping him. I don't see Drew being dumb enough to confide to anyone. There is simply no reason after the fact. When prisoners do it in prison, it's usually in a bragging situation with another prisoner. Drew would never have told Stacy about Kathleen had she not caught him washing the clothes.

Anyway, my point is that if you think about the seriousness of the situation and the punishment being life in prison or the death penalty, it just doesn't make sense to confide that to anyone. Also, don't forget that Drew knew he would be a suspect at some point with Stacy's disappearance and he also knew that those who help can get greatly reduced sentences for testimony. This just isn't the kind of thing you confide to anyone, and I simply don't see anyone else helping him.

Also, killing someone else to throw off police......I don't see that either. Just one more thing to have to cover up. My guess is that Drew has been followed much of the time if not all the time since this happened. And I'm certain the vehicles have GPS tracking. I think back to Scott Peterson. LE had him tailed. Remember the times he went to the bay and just watched? I don't see Drew murdering anyone else......

However, that being said.....remember that Stacy said Drew appeared the night Kathleen was murdered dressed all in black. I could see him possibly slipping out all in black and trying to go to the burial place of Stacy, but he would need a vehicle. Could Mike Robinson have had a vehicle ready for him? Drew could use any excuse, a date or whatever, but definitely not, "yeah, I need to check on how well Stacy is remaining hidden..."

 

[mysteriew]

I wonder sometimes if during boring parts of his day on the LE, if DrewP didn't at times fantasize about how and where to hide a body and make a murder look like and accident? If he did then that would make his statements to the first three wives that he could make their deaths look like accidents have a lot more confidence. Also his statement to Stacy that he could make her disappear. And if he fantasized about doing it, then it is likely that at some points when things were bad in the marriage he very possibly fantasized the wives deaths.

I too believe that Kathleen's death was premeditated. What it is said that he did took planning. They were divorcing, he had Stacy and he was done with Kathleen. To him she was just an obstacle.

But I also have the feeling that Stacy's death was a result of the argument, jealousy, fear of what she knew and perhaps knowlege that she was going to an attorney. I don't think he was through with her yet.

Now Mike R. yes, I wonder if he wasn't involved. Ex-cop so there is the brotherhood thing, they may have had 'bonding' experiences on the job. They may have even participated in some activities together that were let's say 'secret' or even possibly illegal. As an ex-cop I have to wonder if MR carries resentment toward the LE department. So with the above yes, I think his involement is more likely than TM. If that is so, I think DrewP would have trusted MR with anything like this. That doesn't mean I don't think DrewP didn't involve TM, I do think that TM was intended to lead any investigation astray. I think that TM was to point to different means of burial than what actually happened. But I think that DrewP would have had a sense that TM would break at least under questioning. I don't think he would have trusted TM with the knowlege of the true disposal method.

Whoever it was that brought up disposal by chemical means has almost talked me into it. And if the website is correct MR had access to some chemicals. There has been several types of containers that are said to have been involved- esp. a rectangular blue container from the cable company and a blue barrel that Stacy's sister saw. What if there are two containers missing from the home? One that TM talked about, the other that actually contained Stacy's remains and was used in disposing of her body?

If it occured as I think, it would throw LE off track for a period of time, give DrewP more time for disposal.

 

[robthomaseyes]

Mysteriew, good points, but I'm still not convinced he would have had any kind of evidence - real or fake - purposely pointed toward him. Because turning LE's eye toward him by having them believe he did kill her and put her in a barrel makes it harder for him to get them to believe his story about running away. In fact, why go through the trouble of a story, and all of the fake phone calls and sightings?

It just doesn't make sense to me.

 

[mysteriew]

If LE accepted his story of her running away there would not have been an investigation and none of the TM info would have come out. He would have kept propping TM up. It is like he set up layers of false info. If the missing report was made and was treated as usual with LE asking DrewP where she was and DrewP using his "charm" and giving them the run away story, then the report would be filed and the investigation dropped. (I don't think DrewP considered that TM might attempt suicide and the story might get out that way.)

If the investigation went farther and got more serious, then there is the false trail through TM. Could the missing diving weights be another false trail?

So that is at least two layers of false trails between DrewP and any investigation, maybe three. The more false trails that DrewP had time to lay, the more off track the investigation could go.

Leaving no evidence of a murder is practically impossible. But following too much evidence that leads in different directions could possibly mask what actually happened. And make it more difficult to prove in court. Esp. if there is no body.

 

[Wudge]

SNIP

Leaving no evidence of a murder is practically impossible.

SNIP

False.

Blood choke holds produces unconsciousness in 5 to 10 seconds. Air choke holds take a little longer but are just as easy to apply. LE is taught a variety of choke holds. No mess, no fuss.

Next up a furnace.

Presto. No evidence.

 

[philamena]

False.
...... No mess, no fuss.

Next up a furnace.

Presto. No evidence.

Maybe. But the human body within minutes of dying releases fluids....those are detectable.

 

[Wudge]

Maybe. But the human body within minutes of dying releases fluids....those are detectable.

Blood could be detected after cleaning, nothing else.

 

[DeltaDawn]

Maybe Drew left to run to the store and pick up a few items..one of them being heavy duty carpet stain remover for the other fluids?

 

[Littledeer]

mysterview says:

Leaving no evidence of a murder is practically impossible.

Wudge says:

False.

Wudge Wudge Wudge:

Just because there are many "cases" that have not been solved, does not mean that the murderer (or murderers) did not leave any evidence.

There is evidence, just not enough to lead the investigators to the criminal or criminal(s) who perpetuated the crime.

btw, if you really know that it's false for a murderer to leave no evidence, please share it with everyone.

On second thought, my antlers are twitching, DON'T!!!

As an addendum: I'm not out to antagonize you in any way shape or form. Just felt the need to reply.

IMO

 

[philamena]

I wonder sometimes if during boring parts of his day on the LE, .

I bet the farm he did. IMO, he thought out several possible scenarios. He thought he'd planned the perfect murder imo when Kathy died. That was until Stacy disappeared and Kathy's body was exhumed.
It's only a matter of time........

 

[philamena]

Blood could be detected after cleaning, nothing else.

Wudge, I can tell you after raising children and pets that if the body fluid that 'leaks' is urine-- it doesn't come out easily and the smell stays around for a while too.

The couch in the area Brianna was thought to be in looks like either leather or pleather. Forensic test should have been done on that the day her disappearance was reported.

 

[Leila]

There's a few mysteries to this case the are baffling............

Cadaver dogs hit on the master bedroom in the Peterson home, Stacy's car, and near a pond at the airport. Yet, a neighbor reported that he saw DP and an unidentified man loading a blue barrel/container into Peterson's Denali in the late evening of Oct. 28. Thomas Morphey helped DP load a blue rectangular container into DP's Denali. Why didn't the cadaver dogs hit on the Denali? Why did they hit on Stacy's car?

The other mystery is the nightstand in the master bedroom. According to reports, it was there during the first police search, and missing during the second. What happened to that nightstand, and what's the significance of the nightstand?