State rests rebuttal case- thread #163

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I heard many people discussing the Casey Anthony trial so I watched a documentary about the case yesterday and some jurors stated there was not enough evidence to convict CA in the post-trial interview. I've been following the JA trial but not the CA trial and I think all the evidences against JA are more than enough and I also think the defense tries really hard to work on the "reasonable doubt". For those who follow both trials, can you please leave some comments?
 
Just a thought .If i was in that jury all I needed to see what those pics of Travis Alexander . and how JA slaughtered him. all the other excuses of why she did it , I won't bother with it . there is no reason on earth to slaughter a human being like that.
 
Someone theorized that she might have gotten the knife from one of the restaurants she's worked at.

Those two had to have known more than they are telling. How dare they help her lie. It very well could have been one of them instead of travis.
 
Just a thought .If i was in that jury all I needed to see what those pics of Travis Alexander . and how JA slaughtered him. all the other excuses of why she did it , I won't bother with it . there is no reason on earth to slaughter a human being like that.

I agree with you.
 
Hey! I thought PPL Cancun was listed on JM's list of rebuttal witnesses? Did I totally miss it?

No, they didn't bring that in. I'm going to suggest that they could say that while TA may have planned that and had her listed, she could deny knowledge of it. So why bother? Better if they had a text from that time talking about it between them to confirm JA knew. Lies are very difficult to prove in court.

Fortunately, there are plenty of other lies we know as a result of tangible items (gas cans, hair color, rental car, stolen gun, receipts, witness tampering via magazine code, lies told to everyone about trip, gas purchases, upside down plates) and lack thereof (gun paraphernalia not there, nothing in the attic even though JA said Christmas decos placed there in Jan 2008 for the angel, pedo episode to occur, no knife - so disposed of, gun - disposed of, no pedo material, no 'busty' images)

This is what I can think of right off, I'm sure we will get a full run-down during JM's closing :drumroll:
 
I am watching Day 24 Juan's cross of Jodi...regarding license plate incident Juan asks her so in the time you went into starbucks to get coffee something happened...he asks her how long were u at starbucks? She says about 5-10 minutes, I went to restroom, came out THERE WAS A LONG LINE, ordered my drink, waited for my drink, then went out. This was between 9-10PM at Starbucks. LIE LIE LIE....there are RARELY long lines at Starbucks at that time, I should know I love starbucks and have been there many different times of the day. THat is a COMPLETE LIE. Therefore, as we alread know, her whole license plate story is a lie.
 
Rewatching Ryan Burn's testimony. According to the prior discussion, JA was supposed to arrive at Ryan's on the morn of June 4. She got there a day later. Question--if she had preplanned to visit TA and kill him, why didn't she tell Burns that she would arrive later than the morn of the 4th. Is that evidence that the visit to TA was actually unplanned, or is it just that she didn't expect her visit to TA to last so long (i.e., she was intending to kill TA right away)?

  • Could have taken awhile to work up the nerve,
  • Couldn't get him in the shower as quickly as she wanted,
  • Crime scene was such a mess it cost her more time,
  • She wanted to stay and celebrate awhile,
  • Etc.

Pick one, a combination, or add your own...
 
I heard many people discussing the Casey Anthony trial so I watched a documentary about the case yesterday and some jurors stated there was not enough evidence to convict CA in the post-trial interview. I've been following the JA trial but not the CA trial and I think all the evidences against JA are more than enough and I also think the defense tries really hard to work on the "reasonable doubt". For those who follow both trials, can you please leave some comments?

I agree. Casey got lucky because so much time had passed by that it wasn't possible to figure out HOW exactly Caylee had died. IMO. In this case, there's a whole lot more evidence pointing to Jodi. She confessed. Her alternate scenario doesn't make any sense what so ever. :rockon:
 
Judge Seidlin also said that Jodi would not be put to death because she's too pretty. He said there are no pretty people on death row--just ugly people.

That's a silly statement considering the two women currently on AZ death row WERE very attractive before incarceration! Debra Milke & Wendi Adriano were attractive young women at their trials--relatively speaking, of course.

Juan put Wendi on Death Row, he can certainly put Jodi there. (Milke's conviction was recently thrown out)
 
Just a thought .If i was in that jury all I needed to see what those pics of Travis Alexander . and how JA slaughtered him. all the other excuses of why she did it , I won't bother with it . there is no reason on earth to slaughter a human being like that.

ITA with you. This case was over on day 3. Everything else that came afterward, which includes 100% of the DT's CIC, didn't matter imo.

Back wounds, which told us that TA was moving away from his murderer, plus a slit throat? Done and dusted.
 
Someone theorized that she might have gotten the knife from one of the restaurants she's worked at.

She had an obsession with knives, wasn't she arrested and two knives found in a box of books? What gets me! Her mom reported to the police that she had a gun strapped to the rental car, who was that gun intended for! a police shootout! geez louise. her mom knew she was planning on taking off somewhere unknown to them, to do what to who else .we assume , She DIDNT have a lot money so how far could she get without some assistance from Her parents.plus She couldn't keep the rental car forever, at some point shed have to return it.
 
I heard many people discussing the Casey Anthony trial so I watched a documentary about the case yesterday and some jurors stated there was not enough evidence to convict CA in the post-trial interview. I've been following the JA trial but not the CA trial and I think all the evidences against JA are more than enough and I also think the defense tries really hard to work on the "reasonable doubt". For those who follow both trials, can you please leave some comments?

Agreed, CA we had a lot more evidence than the jury due to the 'sunshine law' and her DT threw a lot of other garbage into the mix with absolutely no evidence, all in the name of reasonable doubt.

JA - we have a lot of evidence, and the jury has a lot more in comparison to CA, plus we have a confession. And the jury knows this came after 2 years of lies. This jury just has to decide what level of killing it was. JM will likely really focus on the premed evidence in closing, along with the killing in 3 different ways (head shot, throat slash, heart stab), unusually cruel or in JA's words 'heinous'
 
Has anyone seen MM interview with Det Flores---if there is one. It seems to reason that he has many answers about the premeditation and the crime. I know he said he would lie for her but can't they pressure him to give information?

No nothing public. I am sure they have interviewed him.
 
Wouldn't it be nice if the guilty party, once convicted was required to PAY ALL LEGAL COSTS incurred by the court BOTH defense and prosecution?

If you cause a problem anywhere else in life you have to pay for it, why not in these types of cases?

Five days to think about it....

I think there should be a limit on $ allocated for state provided defense. What if every murderer was allowed the same red carpet treatment ms arias has received? Tell me 1 state who has unlimited funds for that? Aren't we all living on borrowed $ anyway?
 
Done with HLN and their ill-informed hosts and guests like the Florida judge making negative comments about Juan Martinez. This judge is clearly speculating and making statements based on opinion not fact e.g. JM is dragging the trial out doesn't want it to end. Really??? Shame on HLN and their producers, hosts, guests, etc.

JM dragging the trial out??? What trial is that judge watching? Not the Arias one sury, because it's CLEARLY the DT doing the dragging!!!
 
IMO JA wanted him dead and he just would not die quickly enough for her. The throat wound cut off his airway and blood circulation to the brain.

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I have looked at the autopsy photos and report. Regarding the throat wound: IMO she slit his throat from right to left. There is a small "hesitation wound" right upper neck where he probably moved. One incised wound. Very sharp knife. Right side deeper than left. She severed major artery and vein (carotid/jugular) on right side, jugular on left. Arteries pump, veins ooze. When you take your pulse in the neck, that is your carotid artery. She transected his trachea, cutting off air supply. Because of the supporting neck muscles being cut, he would not have been able to support his head. Given the fact that he had been stabbed in the chest, with the knife penetrating the superior vena cava and his lung, he was losing blood internally and he only had one lung working. The severed carotid artery pumped blood outside the body at a rapid rate. He had no chance of recovery at this time. While his brain stem was still intact, he continued to try and breathe and his heart was still beating until there was not enough blood to pump.

I think she intended to make him hurt and make him suffer. Which he did. The gun shot was her insurance that there was no chance at life. At all. The bullet entered his skull and started to tumble, most likely tumbling through his frontal lobe, before descending into his left cheek area. The frontal lobe is responsible in part for decision making, processing, motor, verbal etc. If you take a look at the bullet, you can see the flattened portion of where it struck the frontal bone.

Not only did she premeditate this, she wanted him to suffer. For this reason, I think that is why she used the knife first. She wanted him to experience pain. Sadistic. I had initially thought that she shot him first, but after listening to all the testimony, that scenario would not have accomplished what she had in mind. It would have been too quick.

He did manage to try and protect himself as evidenced by the defensive wounds. When you go through muscle, it is exceedingly painful. The stab wounds to his chest would have him on the ground. First instinct is to splint yourself as a result of a chest injury I.e. tuck. Hence the back stab wounds. The human body instinctively reacts to protect itself, both anatomically and physiologically. Blood vessels react by spasming to try to impede blood loss etc. A whole A&P lesson would be involved, so I won't bore you. The body will do everything to protect breathing and maintain the airway. Notice when you hold your breath while swimming. You can't for very long.

JA cut everything vital to survival. She had planned this out no doubt. The horrific injuries she inflicted were purposeful. So I hope this jury reacts with purpose and sentences her to death. Respectfully, IMO

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Ive always thought that,ive seen many a beheading video ( dont ask :eek: ) and its eerily similar angle etc. You grab by the hair tilt the head slightly back and start hacking away.
Poor travis.
Ive seen a beheading done in about 20 seconds but those are syrian rebels who do those things every day, dear travis would have suffered immensely since jodi wouldnt have (well I hope not) done this before.


Ps please dont think im a weirdo
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Pps she needs to die for this
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Noooooooo not a wierdo said while slowly backing up hands raised and in plain sightseeing o:floorlaugh::scared::scared::scared:
 
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I think Larry Seidlin beclowned himself with his boo hooing on the ANS case. He made himself a laughing stock to America with the contortions he did, his opinion does not matter to me.

Larry who? :drumroll:
 
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