State rests rebuttal case- thread #163

[BetsyB]

it's heinous? if we were to endorse arias being, if i'm understanding correctly, vivisected and subsequently dismembered, we'd be no better than she is.

Vivisected and dismembered? No. That's not how organs are harvested, ever. And no one was calling for inhumane treatment of Arias. A mild comment was made that, given the shortage of donor organs, it's a shame something positive could not come from the defendant's execution. (Really, a similar, but stronger, argument could be made regarding the inhumanity of the DP.)

Currently, if Ms. Arias wishes to derive meaning from her death, or offer her family comfort that comes from knowing others will live even as she dies, with the gift of organ donation, she cannot make the decision to become an organ donor. That healthy and non-coerced inmates cannot exercise this right is the current controversy.

Maricopa County is beginning to listen to the inmate lobby for organ donation. IMO, it's a step in the right direction. Intelligent dialogue with those affected is the logical approach.

 

[HarvestMoon]

I'm still stuck on the fact that he didn't have a shower massage. I don't think I would have thought of water to make the floor slippery, either; I would have thought of SHAMPOO, though. Conditioner would have been even better. Plus the rest of that tube of K-Y and whatever other slippery substance that I could find. THEN I would add water.

ETA: Not that I would have killed Travis in the first place. At Jodi's age, I would have been more likely to retreat, cry, and go on a junk food binge after a messy breakup. I didn't have the kind of self-esteem that JA had and still has. I STILL don't have that kind of self-esteem (i.e., I don't think I'm smarter, better, and more deserving of rewards and good things or even just things going my way than everyone else in the world (SOME people, yes, but not MOST people)). Now in my 50s, I would simply walk away. I'm much more inclined to think that the other person is simply not worth the trouble and energy necessary to continue dealing with them. Besides, I have CATS now.

:floorlaugh: " I have CATS now." :floorlaugh:

 

[Allyne Smithe]

Oh my goodness. I think I just accidentally discovered why the Autopsy Report is "Redacted."

I was looking at the autopsy photos to try to determine where he was bleeding from in the dragging pic--if you lighten it, you can see where he is apparently bleeding from one of his scalp wounds, just left of center.

Anyway, that's all I expected to find, just where he may be bleeding from in the dragging pic.

I was shocked to see JA's shoe impression on his back in the wide back shot showing both arms, and after enhancing the photo, I could make out the now-familiar details of the sole of her shoe. Although she apparently stepped on both his back and front, multiple times, it looks like she had a foot on his chest as she was slicing his neck. Which would mean he would have been lying, face up. That would fit with his bloody handprint near the floor on the corner of the hallway and bedroom walls.

The shoe impression appears evident on his forehead as well.

The defense made motions to seal documents on 2/20/09 and 5/22/09.

This might be why.

P.S. To enhance a photo to see the shoeprint, increase the contrast, the definition or sharpness, sometimes increase the highlights, and enlarge the photo (I find Pages or MS Word the easiest). And you still might need a magnifying glass. If anyone would like to see the cropped enhanced photos, PM me.

 

[deedee21]

WOW I'd never thought of balloons being so dangerous to wildlife and the environment before, thanks for posting that information!!! :doh:

It's fantastic to read what posters say on this forum, we learn so much that we otherwise wouldn't think about. :seeya:

Its something most people are not aware of. Most of the ballons end up in our oceans and in the bellies of marine life. Its against the law in NY to throw rice at weddings. Dry rice in the bellies of birds expands and it results in their stomach exploding and killing the birds. I dont know why there was never any real campain to educate the public on ballons and marine life.

 

[Nhic]

Oh my goodness. I think I just accidentally discovered why the Autopsy Report is "Redacted."

I was looking at the autopsy photos to try to determine where he was bleeding from in the dragging pic--if you lighten it, you can see where he is apparently bleeding from one of his scalp wounds, just left of center.

Anyway, that's all I expected to find, just where he may be bleeding from in the dragging pic.

I was shocked to see JA's shoe impression on his back in the wide back shot showing both arms, and after enhancing the photo, I could make out the now-familiar details of the sole of her shoe. Although she apparently stepped on both his back and front, multiple times, it looks like she had a foot on his chest as she was slicing his neck. Which would mean he would have been lying, face up. That would fit with his bloody handprint near the floor on the corner of the hallway and bedroom walls.

The shoe impression appears evident on his forehead as well.

The defense made motions to seal documents on 2/20/09 and 5/22/09.

This might be why.

P.S. To enhance a photo to see the shoeprint, increase the contrast, the definition or sharpness, sometimes increase the highlights, and enlarge the photo (I find Pages or MS Word the easiest). And you still might need a magnifying glass. If anyone would like to see the cropped enhanced photos, PM me.

O. M. G. she was standing on him? OMG

Do you know if that information redacted just for the guilt phase of this trial, to be brought before the jury during the aggravating/penalty phase?

 

[EquallyDivided]

Oh my goodness. I think I just accidentally discovered why the Autopsy Report is "Redacted."

I was looking at the autopsy photos to try to determine where he was bleeding from in the dragging pic--if you lighten it, you can see where he is apparently bleeding from one of his scalp wounds, just left of center.

Anyway, that's all I expected to find, just where he may be bleeding from in the dragging pic.

I was shocked to see JA's shoe impression on his back in the wide back shot showing both arms, and after enhancing the photo, I could make out the now-familiar details of the sole of her shoe. Although she apparently stepped on both his back and front, multiple times, it looks like she had a foot on his chest as she was slicing his neck. Which would mean he would have been lying, face up. That would fit with his bloody handprint near the floor on the corner of the hallway and bedroom walls.

The shoe impression appears evident on his forehead as well.

The defense made motions to seal documents on 2/20/09 and 5/22/09.

This might be why.

P.S. To enhance a photo to see the shoeprint, increase the contrast, the definition or sharpness, sometimes increase the highlights, and enlarge the photo (I find Pages or MS Word the easiest). And you still might need a magnifying glass. If anyone would like to see the cropped enhanced photos, PM me.

I was of the impression that she was in her socks, and not shoes. I believe JM even pointed it out on the stand, and she agreed that she was wearing socks. Which means its probably a lie, but we will never know.

Ughhhh. It's so difficult for the family, all of the lying. Enough already. She shouldn't have a voice. Putting her on the stand was great for the prosecution - but what a travesty, having to hear the murderer speak!

 

[The Farm]

I was of the impression that she was in her socks, and not shoes. I believe JM even pointed it out on the stand, and she agreed that she was wearing socks. Which means its probably a lie, but we will never know.

Ughhhh. It's so difficult for the family, all of the lying. Enough already. She shouldn't have a voice. Putting her on the stand was great for the prosecution - but what a travesty, having to hear the murderer speak!

Yes now that am thinking of it I thought she had socks on too.

 

[Nhic]

Comparison of Defense and TA's family

 

[deedee21]

O. M. G. she was standing on him? OMG

Do you know if that information redacted just for the guilt phase of this trial, to be brought before the jury during the aggravating/penalty phase?

Shes a predatory savage beast. Her grandmother was in court and saw the autopsy picture. Im sure she realizes for the first time perhaps tat jodi is a killer.

 

[Alexander family fan]

Plant a tree in Travis' memory, what a terrific idea Indy! A tree will live on, forever. I love it. Trees for Travis!

We've been looking for some happy way to remember him!

 

[deedee21]

Comparison of Defense and TA's family

This picture is a perfect example of evil and good. Very soon those smiles will be gone. Wimer should clear the desk of all pens.

 

[Quester]

Home in Jodi Arias murder case attracts unwanted attention
http://www.azfamily.com/news/Hoards...re-Travis-Alexander-was-killed-204947431.html

 

[Clue Finder 55]

Very interesting articles. After Jodi is find guilty, JM will have to proof it was especially cruel. (The prosectuon in the Andriano case took a week) Then the jury goes to deliberate. Then they hear from the defense why Jodi should be spared.

Sigh. It's gonna be a hard decision, I imagine.

Travis was stabbed 29 times while he was still alive which means he felt the pain from each and every one of the stabs.
On top of that he had his throat slit while his heart was still beating which means he was still alive.
Just the fact that Travis's body was disfigured from the throat slashing is enough to prove heinous which is an aggravation and grounds for the death penalty in it's self.

I predict the jury will find that Jodi is guilty of first degree murder and at the very least will receive life without parole.
My guess is jury deliberation of 8 hrs.







Definition of Heinous-
Heinous means hateful or shockingly evil. A grossly wicked or reprehensible action is called heinous act. The term is mostly used to refer to crimes. For example, heinous murder

 

[Nhic]

I was of the impression that she was in her socks, and not shoes. I believe JM even pointed it out on the stand, and she agreed that she was wearing socks. Which means its probably a lie, but we will never know.

Ughhhh. It's so difficult for the family, all of the lying. Enough already. She shouldn't have a voice. Putting her on the stand was great for the prosecution - but what a travesty, having to hear the murderer speak!

Yes now that am thinking of it I thought she had socks on too.

She must have at some point been wearing shoes, unless she drove barefoot to Mesa then barefoot to SLC? As shocking as it sounds, it wouldn't be a surprise to know that JA actually stood on TA's chest and forehead as she was slicing him. OMG she is sick sick sick sick and should never ever be released from prison.

 

[deedee21]

Does the courts allow people to come for the verdict if theres standing room only? I would like to see all of Travis' friends there for the verdict.

 

[rose222]

Very interesting articles. After Jodi is find guilty, JM will have to proof it was especially cruel. (The prosectuon in the Andriano case took a week) Then the jury goes to deliberate. Then they hear from the defense why Jodi should be spared.

Sigh. It's gonna be a hard decision, I imagine.

Some say that JA felt like she needed to murder Travis in order to move on with her life. But JA didn't just shoot Travis while he slept and get out of there. What she did was torture Travis. That was her greatest desire. She wanted to torture him so much that she was willing (consciously or otherwise) to take a huge risk. It was a huge risk for her to attempt to stab him. He was a big guy. She took that risk because she wanted to torture him both physically and emotionally. I believe she waited all that time to corner him in the shower so she could stab him. Spending a entire day there was another risk. Risk of someone seeing her, risk of leaving behind evidence etc. She took all these risks just so she could use a knife to torment him in ways that might even make a few Al Qaeda terrorists weak in the legs. I have scarcely seen a person this evil. I don't feel an iota of compassion for her. Not even for the woman she could have been. Born evil and will die evil. There is nothing anyone could have done to make her even 5% better. Some people are just inherently evil.

She deserves the needle at the very least. And for all those who say she won't get the death penalty or that she doesn't deserve it. If she doesn't get it then might as well abolish the whole thing. Let all the death row criminals including those like Scott Peterson have their sentences changed to life in prison instead. I cannot think of anyone who deserves death row more than JA. If she doesn't get it then it becomes completely meaningless.

I pray for the jurors to deliberate with clear minds. I pray they do right by Lady Justice.

 

[deedee21]

Very interesting articles. After Jodi is find guilty, JM will have to proof it was especially cruel. (The prosectuon in the Andriano case took a week) Then the jury goes to deliberate. Then they hear from the defense why Jodi should be spared.

Sigh. It's gonna be a hard decision, I imagine.

The pictures speak for themselves.

 

[deedee21]

this picture is a perfect example of evil and good. Very soon those smiles will be gone. Wimer should clear the desk of all pens.

wilmer! Would you let jodi babysit for you?

 

[rose222]

Is anyone signed up to be notified when the jury has come to a decision? I'm so scared that I will miss it.

I've seen a way to get tweets about the decision, but I do not have a twitter account and have no plans to get one just for this.

Is there a text notification out there?

I think there will be text messages etc. You have to sign up once the jury is given the case. I am a little paranoid in this regard. I will be on my computer throughout the days so I don't miss it. It would be a crying shame to miss the verdict being read out live. I suggest that everyone have their phones/computers etc. close by. Don't listen to the TH's who say 'Oh the jury won't come back with a verdict today.' The verdict has come at an unexpected time in almost every case I've followed...

 

[Softail]

I think there will be text messages etc. You have to sign up once the jury is given the case. I am a little paranoid in this regard. I will be on my computer throughout the days so I don't miss it. It would be a crying shame to miss the verdict being read out live. I suggest that everyone have their phones/computers etc. close by. Don't listen to the TH's who say 'Oh the jury won't come back with a verdict today.' The verdict has come at an unexpected time in almost every case I've followed...

They will usually announce that a verdict has been reached, then give about an hour or so until it is read. Just so everyone has time to get to the courthouse and such. :twocents: