State rests rebuttal case- thread #165

[RR0004]

I think Gus escaped from the local insane asylum and got a job at PPL under an alias.

Too funny...thanks for the chuckle before bedtime.
Night folks.

 

[wasnt_me]

I get what you are saying, I think, and don't get me wrong, I do think it was premeditated, I just don't get what both DT and JM are buying anything she says, including the number of times they had sex, the kind of sex they had, or that she was in the house that long on the 4th. This whole TA was addicted to JA for sex all stems from JA's word, her journals, the manipulated emails. We all know JA hacked any acct she could of Travis. She has manipulated his phone IMHO (Travis asking in text if she used his phone, why?) we know she hacked his myspace page, we know she slashed his tires, violated LD's privacy by opening her front door one night when Travis was there. So, again I ask, other than her lies, what prrof of any of this is there?

The sex tape? They were 1,000 miles apart at the time, they were role playing, it doesn't mean TRavis ever did or wanted to do any of those things to JA. In fact, I don't think the entire conversation was taped was it. From what I've heard of it, there is no "Hello, this is Travis" or whatever salutation he may have used, so what was said before the "tape" (for lack of a better term) started rolling? Did JA say "Hey let's live out some wild fantasies, or talk dirty to me? Again, we rely on her lying lips to make sense of it.

I'm not sure my point is coming across as intended, so in a nut shell, everything we know about Travis and JA behind closed doors comes from a known liar.

To be fair, we did hear from Travis about how hot she was, according to him. We did hear him discussing sexual acts that had already transpired and he seemed to have enjoyed those. There's nothing wrong with Travis having a healthy sex life and enjoying sex with Jodi.

I do agree that it's possible that she directed him that she wanted to have sex talk before the tape started, but if she repulsed him, he wouldn't have participated. Jodi knew he'd participate because she knew how he felt about their sex life. That was the only thing she had that kept him interested, and she used that to her advantage.

I don't know if he was all addicted and everything of this manner, but if you have someone willing to engage you and you're in a religious environment that prohibits you sexually, it makes sense that you'd participate with this person. It's easy. You don't have to go looking for some other person to fit into that role, etc.

But Travis expressed a desire to stop doing things like that and get serious about marriage. Jodi wasn't on his marriage list, which made her resentful and murderous.

 

[kaydono]

Nahhh she lied to him, scammed him, stalked him, nobody wants to marry someone like that. :floorlaugh:

Some people might, you never know. They may consider scamming, stalking, and lying some of the ideal attributes they seek in a mate. :floorlaugh::floorlaugh: Laughter is getting me through until Wednesday, hence, my ridiculous comment.

 

[Sulamith]

Oh my. Oh my. flags are falling, hint hint...no words. I don't think PPL is on the stand.

Thanks though.

No, PPl is not on the stand. Chris Hughes was on Dr. Drew again tonight. Gus Searcy has been on the stand and some posters were discussing the TV show and PPL came up. PPL had their time on the stand (they were sued) a few years back.

 

[thefragile7393]

Originally Posted by GoAskAllie
It was clear to me from his first appearance on Dr. Drew that Abe would have slept with Jodi in a New York minute. He's toned down his "act" somewhat, but like others in this case, his 15 minutes are just about up.







I liked Gus. Don't know why. I think his 15 minutes are up because he does not crave media attention like others in the PPL/TA circle. I do think that JM should have returned his call.

I remember reading about Ann Rule telling LE that Ted Bundy fit the description of the suspect in Pacific Northwest murders. They did not think TB fit the profile. I have heard of other murders where police did not follow up on, what seemed to be, solid tips about the suspect. I just don't understand why the Prosecutor's office did not return Searcy's call.

because he is a media hound about made the rounds several times. because he had nothing important to say. because he was an extremely hostile witness and beyond infuriating.

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[AngelWings444]

At last, Juan's full opening statement on Youtube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2i5_OYUMc0&fb_source=message

I :heartbeat: you!! In a Websleuth, happy kind of way! Thank you! :bow:

 

[Meemaw12]

I believe Chris and Sky had gone to Cancun earlier
TA was not going until June 10th

 

[kaydono]

He's like a bald Kato Kaelin.

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

 

[kaydono]

This is my favorite PPL video, Chris Hughes Six-Figure Ring Speech. It is like an Academy Award mini-me. I posted this a week or so ago..but these threads move so fast so posting again in case new peeps have not seen it and are interested in PPL.

Chris Hughes Six-Figure Ring Speech - YouTube

My second favorite PPL video is with Gus Searcy and the Searcets.

Gus Searcy and the Searcets... - YouTube

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh 2nd video, hilarious.

 

[The Village Idiot]

For Travis being such a neat freak, I thought the office looked kinda messy, for him. I wonder if Jodi was looking for something, like in that closet. Maybe, she was looking and ran out of time when the room-mate was coming home at 6ish.

Me too.

Maybe JA was looking for the ring in there??

 

[PPKik]

I'm sure this has been discussed many times over, but what's the deal with that guy Gus? I finally got to watch his testimony and couldn't for the life of me understand why he was being such an a$$ on the stand.

Come to think of it...there hasn't been one respectful DT witness (that I've seen). Did the DT coach these people to be as antagonistic as possible?

PS- I'm so glad that NG aired the parents' interviews. Eye opening re: her stalking behavior. Dr. DM really has JA pegged

bbm

So true. They are eminently qualified to coach.

 

[Sedonia Sunset]

I really don't see her allowing it, she may let him give his "expert" opinion as to whether or not someone could verbalize after being shot in the head (which he will be paid to say yes), and whether someone could ambulate after the shot (which he will be paid to say yes. It may just be me, but I really don't think he will be a witness anyone needs to worry about. Juan will wrap him up like an anaconda does their prey.

I'll never forget how disillusioned I was when Dr. Baden testified for Phil Spector, as did Vince DeMaio and Werner Spitz. All three of them were so blatantly biased and insufferably ARROGANT (particularly DeMaio and Spitz) that it defied logic! Baden went so far as to have an "aha! moment" to explain how Lana Clarkson could cough up blood, even though her spine was completely transected by the bullet. When some expert witnesses are paid to say YES (or NO), they will do so in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

 

[Dewey2Me1MoThyme]

To be fair, we did hear from Travis about how hot she was, according to him. We did hear him discussing sexual acts that had already transpired and he seemed to have enjoyed those. There's nothing wrong with Travis having a healthy sex life and enjoying sex with Jodi.
I do agree that it's possible that she directed him that she wanted to have sex talk before the tape started, but if she repulsed him, he wouldn't have participated. Jodi knew he'd participate because she knew how he felt about their sex life. That was the only thing she had that kept him interested, and she used that to her advantage.

I don't know if he was all addicted and everything of this manner, but if you have someone willing to engage you and you're in a religious environment that prohibits you sexually, it makes sense that you'd participate with this person. It's easy. You don't have to go looking for some other person to fit into that role, etc.

But Travis expressed a desire to stop doing things like that and get serious about marriage. Jodi wasn't on his marriage list, which made her resentful and murderous.

BBM: And while we are being fair, I was not implying there was anything wrong with Travis having a healthy sexual appetite, just in case you misunderstood that part. As for what we have heard from Travis, again, what didn't we hear on the so called sex tape. How much of what we have heard was taken out of context like the Hugh's email exchanges?
I don't doubt, as I said before, that Travis had sex with JA, how frequently, and in what context we only get from the liar herself. But I'll leave it at that as it's getting late and I'm obviously not coming across clearly. :seeya:

 

[dani]

Just a few thoughts on the topic of Travis encouraging her to convert (to his religion)

If he never brought up what religion he was, what he did for a living, what his favorite foods were Jodi Arias would find out in short order and make them her favorites and she would make his religious beliefs hers. What he liked, she would love, what he felt like doing, OMG so did she...

She came into his life and decided she would make him a part of her, in every way, they would become one person. She would not allow him to leave, alive.

In the Single White Female sort of way...

Jumping off your post…Do we know when Jodi began working (working…:floorlaugh for PPL? PPL is heavily loaded with Mormons. She may have realized the only way to be successful at PPL was to become a Mormon. This could have happened before she met Travis.

The post about Darryl's comments regarding when the Mormon missionaries began studying with her makes me wonder.

 

[thefragile7393]

I'm sure this has been discussed many times over, but (lol) what's the deal with that guy Gus? I finally got to watch his testimony and couldn't for the life of me understand why he was being such an a$$ on the stand. Come to think of it...there hasn't been one respectful DT witness (that I've seen). Did the DT coach these people to be as antagonistic as possible?

PS- I'm so glad that NG aired the parents' interviews. Eye opening re: her stalking behavior. Dr. DM really has JA pegged

Lisa Andrews and Darryl brewer were nothing like the others. Juan had to probe some but they were nothing like the rest

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[Mrs G Norris]

Here's a link to the podcast interview of the elders that brought Jodi into the church, they were contacted by Travis for Jodi as way of introduction: http://www.theculturalhallpodcast.com/2013/03/special-episode-elder-jensenjodi-arias/

 

[gauntlet]

I :heartbeat: you!! In a Websleuth, happy kind of way! Thank you! :bow:

Aww that's sweet. You are welcome.

Now AngelWings, I know you love me but this is hard to say so please don't be too sad. It's just that ....... I'm already in love and my list is quite full. It's not you it's me. Firstly is Juan (well of course) and then the bus driver who wants to marry me (not sure if you've seen my posts around the time trial starts some days but I post about the bus driver who loves me, he just doesn't know it, he even sneezed near me the other week which I know is a good sign) and thirdly is the moon.

But don't take it personally okay? :floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

 

[RATTKATT]

I don't have a problem with that, myself. He was a sexually active male in an environment without a lot of prospects, and after Jodi moved away, his sexual well had run dry. He was conflicted about being sexually active at that point, but Jodi still made herself available for it--even if only over the phone after the move. When the sex arrived on his doorstep, after not having it for a month or so, he was vulnerable to it.

I can believe that even though he'd been mad at her, he would have had sex with her. Their relationship was like that because they never let the bad things they did to each other having lasting consequences. Travis kept talking to her after she did bad things to him, and she kept talking to him after he'd done bad or mean things to her. What happened up till about 2pm might have been normal to their relationship to each other. I think Jodi was counting on that.

wow, your last paragraph i totally agree with. long story, but been there done that.
i am talking about a relationship that grew more dysfunctional AFTER we were divorced.
i thought at the time, this is the craziest sex i will ever have, but i definitely hung in there.
and that is after she made me believe she was a PSYCHO. all i know is it happens , and like you said,.... my ex was counting on me doing certain things. and 25 years later,
all i can say is thank goodness family, (including hers) helped me out of that terrible
situation, basicaly nipped in the bud any thoughts of continuing a sexual relationship.
her life did not turn out well, at all. apparently i did, because i have friends and can
communicate with people, while she, like JA, has no one.
she has refused any and all suggestions (25 years worth), that she needs help. and as
a result, she lives in her own prison, and turned into a gruesome looking person.
i have no sympathy for either woman, a lot of people tried, it just wasn't happening .

 

[cecybeans]

I get what you are saying, I think, and don't get me wrong, I do think it was premeditated, I just don't get what both DT and JM are buying anything she says, including the number of times they had sex, the kind of sex they had, or that she was in the house that long on the 4th. This whole TA was addicted to JA for sex all stems from JA's word, her journals, the manipulated emails. We all know JA hacked any acct she could of Travis. She has manipulated his phone IMHO (Travis asking in text if she used his phone, why?) we know she hacked his myspace page, we know she slashed his tires, violated LD's privacy by opening her front door one night when Travis was there. So, again I ask, other than her lies, what prrof of any of this is there?

The sex tape? They were 1,000 miles apart at the time, they were role playing, it doesn't mean TRavis ever did or wanted to do any of those things to JA. In fact, I don't think the entire conversation was taped was it. From what I've heard of it, there is no "Hello, this is Travis" or whatever salutation he may have used, so what was said before the "tape" (for lack of a better term) started rolling? Did JA say "Hey let's live out some wild fantasies, or talk dirty to me? Again, we rely on her lying lips to make sense of it.

I'm not sure my point is coming across as intended, so in a nut shell, everything we know about Travis and JA behind closed doors comes from a known liar.

I agree; the DT is kinda forced to but I've often wondered why JM even bothers to address anything she claims, except perhaps that he has been letting her set up lies under oath and using the evidence to refute them. I've been worried that taking any of them at face value - and repeating them even if only to refute them only validates them as a possibility. Like trying to enact that absurd closet scene that never could have happened. To me, the actual evidence, forensic and otherwise, paints the only relevant picture. But allowing her to set up yet another ridiculous lie in the presence of the jury may actually be an effective tactic because it's patently apparent that her story under oath is just more mendacious muck.

Perhaps the entire sextape conversation is in evidence and they just cut out the irrelevant parts - I'd imagine the pros vetted them for validity, time, etc. I'm one of those people who think whatever their sex life was or wasn't is incredibly irrelevant other than the fact the DT wants to use juror prurience to alienate them from the victim. Personally, I think Travis sounds bored and sleepy in them; she seems to be running the show. Certainly there is nothing on them that would hint TA is an abusive person in the least.

And frankly, even if he were - who in their right mind would believe that an "abused" woman would - months after breaking up with an abusive person - stealthily drive 1000+ miles (even more prepared for violence than the Astronut chick)to track him down like a dog and murder him in such a cruel, rage-filled way? Nothing - nothing about the scene they found remotely suggests self-defense, and nothing about her subsequent behavior would suggest it either. I'm just hoping that jury is as skeptical as the rest of us here are and take her lies in court as adding insult to injury to a victim that did not deserve either assassination of either body or reputation.

 

[Straitfan]

So glad this trial will finally come to and end this week for many, many reasons............